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Published accounts must name the "27 Club" explicitly. This is not an article listing every famous person who died at age 27. It is only about those who have been described as belonging to the "27 Club", which must be named explicitly in a cited source. If the term "27 Club" doesn't appear in the cited source, the person's name doesn't belong here. Please do not add names of people who happened to die at age 27.

This article has been mentioned by a media organization: "P-I's Writer in Residence Charles R. Cross explores the darker side of 'only the good die young'". Seattle Post-Intelligencer. 2007-02-27. Archived from the original on 2022-10-18.

Readers who hear about the 27 Club will naturally be interested in a list of all musicians who died at age 27 from the Middle Ages to the present. So, it's encyclopedic. It's something that people will want to look up for reference. Why should someone be excluded because there's no source referring to them as a member of the 27 club. If you have a date of birth and a date of death, that should count as a source that they were 27 when they died. And it's just a list of musicians who died at age 27. Those are just neutral objective facts. Here's a person. The person was a musician. The person died at age 27. They get added to the list, so that people can look it up. Period. It's not any kind of a theory about why musicians die at age 27. It's just facts.

This Talk-Page is dominated by people who would probably rather this page didn't exist at all. Well, it does. It's something that people talk about. Why not age 26, or age 28? Because those are not clubs that people talk about or write about. The idea that people keep a list of those who died at age 27 does rely on something arbitrary, but it's not Wikipedia that is making the arbitrary choice there. It's the PUBLIC who (without logic) chose age 27. And when Wikipedia documents arbitrary choices made by the public, it's being encyclopedic because it's only documenting the objective fact that the public are concerned with the set of musicians (and not painters or dancers) who die at age 27 and will want access to a complete list of them. The public's choice to focus on age 27 may lack any logical foundation. But for Wikipedia to document the fact that the public makes choices that lack foundation does not itself lack a logical foundation. You can discuss the way illogical ideas work without the discussion itself being deemed illogical. I hope Wikipedia doesn't contain a demonstration that the Earth is flat. But Wikipedia SHOULD document that some people do believe that the Earth is flat, in sufficient numbers that they have conventions and websites. If what I'm saying makes sense then every article about witchcraft and alchemy should be purged.~2026-27756-09 (talk) 02:28, 8 May 2026 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence SimpsonReply

@~2026-27756-09 This article is not List of people who died aged 27. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 05:08, 8 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, it's not, but it should be. Did you not read my argument? I came here for the specific purpose of looking up musicians who died at age 27, and I just didn't find that when I got here. And your "reference" to that list shows, when I hover over it, that it doesn't exist. Thanks a lot for telling me where to go, So to speak.~2026-27756-09 (talk) 11:10, 8 May 2026 (UTC)Christopher L. SimpsonReply

@~2026-27756-09: The article did formerly have a list of 27 Club members. You can see it in the article history -- for example, here.. It was removed during the discussion above, in the "Inane list of "members"" section. The current consensus seems to be to leave it out. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 06:14, 8 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Didn't this page used to list everyone who was "in the club" why would it not still be here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-38286-50 (talk) 00:31, 6 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

See above discussion, and the lengthy consensus regarding an encyclopedia documenting an actual sociological phenomenon, and presenting a list of categories of humans who fit into the arbitrary construct. Augmented Seventh (talk) 00:39, 6 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Wat discussions? There are no discussions above. Stop lying. ~2026-39590-64 (talk) 22:42, 13 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

User Named Whatever, don't have an account - I actually find it rather irresponsible for this page not to have the table. Alternatively, make another Wiki page with all the members of the group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-39590-64 (talk) 22:41, 13 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

@~2026-39590-64: There were a number of previous discussions about whether or not to get rid of the table, but they've all been archived -- that is, they've aged out, and been moved to separate pages that are linked to near the top of the page, where it says "Archives: 1, 2, 3...". But you can see the most recent discussion, from when the table was removed, at Talk:27 Club/Archive 10#Inane list of "members". — Mudwater ^(Talk) 22:57, 13 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

I do believe that the death of C.C. is being investigated as noted in broadcasts by ABC, NBC, and BBC newscasts. ~2026-32414-76 (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

In the section quoting Kurt Cobain's mother, stating "he joined that stupid, stupid club", it's originated from the 1991 movie "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Doors_(film)&oldid=1366400935".

The character played by Michael Wincott states this exact line in the film, released three years prior to Kurt's death....thus it is wrongly attributed to her & should be stated as "in quoting a line from the film, she said". ~2026-40758-68 (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

There is a song by the band Your Neighbors called 27s. Not only are most of the lyrics reminiscent of what the cultural phenomenon of the 27 club is about, the lyrics directly talk about it. "27's in my lungs / Hoping not to join the twenty-seven club / Drunk drive behind the wheel / Squealing tires down the 40 / Only good die young" Quoted from Genius, which does have annotations albeit unreviewed. https://genius.com/28014304 The song was released in 2021, so I think it would be a good edition showing that it is still prevalent in culture today. ~2026-44237-49 (talk) 04:54, 12 August 2026 (UTC)Reply