Is there any chance we could set definite paremeters for the notability of clubs in England? For years we've had discussions regarding whether clubs that have competed in the FA Vase are notable. (here, here and here amongst many others).
The semi-agreed consensus has always been that a club that has competed in the FA Cup, Trophy, Amateur Cup or Vase is worthy of an article.
There are thousands upon thousands of clubs who have competed in one of the above four competitions. Hundreds of these will have played fewer than a handful of games in front of fewer than a handful of fans - and these are supposed to be notable?
Personally, I believe only clubs that have competed in the FA Cup should be notable, as this is THE national cup (not sure why the Trophy, Amateur Cup and Vase qualify for this)
If we are going to continue to allow clubs that have played in the Trophy, Amateur Cup and Vase to be deemed notable, I think we should at least have a cut-off point to weed out those who only played a few games in the qualifying rounds.
My proposal would be for clubs to have made it to the First Round proper of the Trophy, Amateur Cup or Vase to be deemed notable.
Clubs that have played in the Trophy should have played in the FA Cup anyway. Clubs that haven't reached the 1st Round of the Amateur Cup or Vase, and have never played in the FA Cup, should not be eligible for an article in my opinion.
Are we up for reaching a consensus on this one?
As shown in the links I posted earlier, there seems to be an appetite to change the rules, but we never seem to actually get anywhere! Kivo (talk) 12:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
As you can see, the above is an alphabetical list of clubs (before you even get to A...) that played just one game in the FA Amateur Cup. Are they notable? There are hundreds of these clubs in the Amateur Cup alone, before even starting with the Vase. I think a cut-off point of 1st Round proper would cut down on the amount of pointless articles. Kivo (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I'd appreciate some help with the following issue: There are two football clubs in Nazareth Illit, currently going by the names Hapoel Nazareth Illit (in Liga Leumit) and F.C. Nazareth Illit (in Liga Gimel. The problem is that Hapoel was known for several seasons as F.C. Nazareth Illit, while the other F.C. Nazareth Illit (formerly Maccabi Nazareth Illit) was known as F.C. Nazareth Illit Hanan Ohayon, as it was named after firefighter Hanan Ohayon. However, recently Ohayon's family asked the club to remove the name off the club, which the club did and registered to play in 2015–16 season as F.C. Nazareth Illit. Complying to the family's request, F.C. Nazareth Illit Hanan Ohayon's article name should be changed to F.C. Nazareth Illit, which would create a problem with the current article under this name (which should be moved to Hapoel Nazareth Illit F.C. anyway, as I reckon). What can I do to sort it all out?--Eranrabl (talk) 08:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Per the MOS I made this edit [1] (admittedly I made a mess of the edit summary). Given sports projects tenancy to have local consensus to ignore parts of the MOS, I thought I'd ask what users think .
For me honestly it is difficult to read this template when it's coloured and it's not even one of the worst. For the minor if any value of having the same colour as the team's kit would it not be better to keep these clear? Gnevin (talk) 09:09, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Anyone else? Gnevin (talk) 13:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone here have the time to gather information for and complete the 2014–15 and 2015–16 French football season articles? Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 17:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Does anybody know whether the Santiago Island League (South) and especially the Senegal Premier League are fully pro? Both are not listed at WP:FPL. The answer on these questions would affect the treatment of 2014–15 Boavista (Cape Verde) football season and 2013–14 ASC Diaraf season. – Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 21:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, I had a dispute regarding Arna Ásgrímsdóttir's position. At UEFA and Soccerway site, she is listed as a midfielder, but at her club site, she is listed as defender. Which source should be used to determine her position? Thank you. MbahGondrong (talk) 12:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Is this template (and this one) necessary? User:Davykamanzi claims it's to avoid statistical errors between the players' individual articles and the one about their rivalry, but I think this is a little excessive. Thoughts? – PeeJay 15:20, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Isn't this just an earlier incarnation of the modern Southampton F.C.? If so, there's no reason for it to have a separate article. Opinions......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I am planning to add the matches prior 1990 to this page, therefore it will soon need a breakdown. What should I consider as a fair period for each group of results (ten years, twenty years...)? Also, what would it be the correct title? Italy national football team xxxx–xxxx results, Italy national football team results (xxxx–xxxx) or something else? --Tanonero (msg) 17:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I do not regularly contribute to soccer related articles, but I suspect that the page WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Football should be moved to WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Association football, given that the article about the form of football covered by this delsort page is titled association football, not football. I could move it myself, but first I want to know what those who know more about this subject than I do think. Everymorning (talk) 14:11, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that the Stadium in Bordeaux has been moved a few days ago from 'Nouveau Stade de Bordeaux' to Matmut Atlantique without any motivation so I need help to determine the correct name. UEFA calls the stadium 'Nouveau Stade de Bordeaux' (see this matchreport as an example), but this article (from stadiumdb.com, is that source reliable?) says that name will officially change to 'Matmut Atlantique' for 10 years after a sponsor deal.
So what should the name of article be? I have heard we should not use temporary sponsornames and move articles around when stadiums change names? On the other hand we have other sponsornamed stadiums (WP:OSE, I know). Qed237 (talk) 00:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Uhm... opinions? – Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 08:07, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm, this is not a random collection of information though is it? When Wenger first arrived Arsenal's disciplinary record was one of the highest in European football, let alone England. It's notable: see here, FourFourTwo, here for a start. In Palmer's autobiography of Wenger, Spurling's 'Red Letter Days', Mihir Bose's 'Game Changer' and Lawrence's account of the Invincible team the high red-card count is alluded to. Over time, the trend has declined and his player's behaviour has improved. That's the whole point to the list. But even if Arsenal are more known for their style of play now, the red card list is an interesting anomaly that should not and can never be brushed away. It wouldn't apply to Ferguson or Moyes just because of their respective longevity. Ferguson's United picked up 49 red cards from 1986 to 2013. He was never scrutinised for that, rather his player conduct and outlandish discipline which is qualitative. Lemonade51 (talk) 11:08, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Is the list comparable to List of FIFA World Cup red cards and List of FIFA Confederations Cup red cards or not? Spiderone 16:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
This is just a fairly obvious WP:COATRACK for criticising Wenger, isn't it? I can't see any other reason for creating it. Number 57 20:07, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Can category:dual internationalists (football) be split into those who represented more than one country as a result of political circumstances (eg. dissolution of a unified nation) and those who switched allegiance because of personal preference? Someone like Oleg Sergeyev had no other option as to who to pick at international level whereas Nacer Chadli did. 86.14.103.40 (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I know a lot of people use/have used his site as a source. I may have missed earlier comments, but it's just been brought to my attention that Neil has passed away, there is an obituary on the front page of the site. Very sad news, it seems he was only 66 which is no great age -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I've noticed on the Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C. article a SPA account Icematikx (talk · contribs) has been adding Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.#Social Media Partners repeatedly, when he has a clear COI around One Sure Insurance . Could you please keep an eye out for this kind of thing. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 09:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Is Malaysia v Saudi Arabia (2018 FIFA World Cup qualifying) notable? Qed237 (talk) 12:24, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they are but wanted to confirm. See Kingsley Coman or Ryan Mason for example where Club B stats are listed in infobox--Shreerajtheauthor (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
When listing the league results in the season article, how should post-poned matches be treated? I.e. what if matchday 7 was actually played -after- matchday 8? Sort the list by actual matchdate or by the matchdays? Madcynic (talk) 15:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Why do we have List of teams promoted from the English Football League Championship and predecessors and List of teams promoted from English Football League Two and its predecessors but List of winners of English Football League One and predecessors? Not only are they inconsistent with each other, but the word "English" should not be in there, because it does not form part of the name of any of the divisions..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, just a short question, does relegation/promotion playoff matches counts as league appearances? MbahGondrong (talk) 08:12, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
I just saw this edit, and I'm not sure whether it's accurate: from a quick search, it seems that "Panna" is a term used for nutmegging, but I can't find any source for "Chadda". --Slashme (talk) 20:17, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Read something which is probably a violation of WP:BLP in the first post-lead paragraph of Jerry-Christian Tchuissé AND the corresponding talk page. Could someone take a look at it, please? Thanks, C679 21:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Are there any opinions on List of Cristiano Ronaldo hat-tricks? – Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 05:39, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
@Super Nintendo Chalmers: I suggest you re-nominate the player hat-tick article(s) for AFD, as they look to be non-notable - but I agree with @Fenix down: that further discussion is needed regarding leagues/national teams before further AFDs on those articles are created. GiantSnowman 11:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Can someone please have a look at this edit on the Chancel Mbemba article. I added the CNN article on his multiple date of births (the article has photos of documents) to the article but a user has recently removed the section saying it was at the request of the player. I don't want to start an 'edit war' so I'm requesting a third party decide on whether it merits a mention in the article. TheBigJagielka (talk) 09:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
common name of Hellas Verona F.C. was in fact Verona. Please refer to La repubblica (2) of this year. Hellas Verona may be used, but Hellas Verona had a long history as the only major team of Verona. It just silly to force people to stop calling A.C. Milan as Milan but starting to add useless edit to wikipedia by changing Milan to AC Milan.
If you need a voting game, just wake up the Italian task force of WikiProject Football. If you want a constructive discussion, point me out with some citation that Hellas Verona became the most common name of the club. Matthew_hk tc 20:42, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
I recently discovered the article Oldest football clubs. This page lists clubs founded before 1890 amongst all codes of football. I assume the list is far from complete because it seems primarily focused on Great Britain and Ireland. I, however, particularly noticed the article is lacking information on association football in South America.
The article only mentions Club Mercedes as the oldest club currently competing in any Argentine association football league. The source used for this claim is the website of the club itself, which however only mentions the foundation of Club Mercedes as a social club in 1875. It is not clear if the football section – which merged with the social club during the interbellum – was also established in that year. So it might be possible even older clubs exist in Argentina and South America.
And more important, the article does not mention the oldest club currently playing professional association football in South America.
Is there someone with a specific interest in the history of Latin American football that can elaborate this article? — 37 (talk) 03:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if someone could point me to any consensus we have that covers the sporting nationality (as in, what country to list him with in his club's squad list) of Shane Lowry. Mr Lowry was born and raised in Australia. His parents are Irish, and he represented the Republic of Ireland at several under-age levels. He then declared for Australia, explicitly and with enthusiasm, and has been picked for the senior squad, sat on the bench for the senior squad, but is still uncapped, i.e. hasn't yet taken the field.
I listed him as Australian, despite the Irish caps, because I thought his declaration for Australia would override his under-age caps for Ireland, and I thought the wording of MOS:SPORTFLAGS "Flags should generally illustrate the highest level the sportsperson is associated with. For example, if a sportsperson has represented a nation or has declared for a nation, then the national flag as determined by the sport governing body should be used" supported that view. Another editor has changed to Ireland, because they thought his playing for Ireland under-age teams overrode his declaration for Australia given he hasn't actually played for Australia, which is a not unreasonable way to look at it.
Do we have an established consensus that covers this? Pinging @Simione001: cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I’m more concerned with factual mistakes in articles. The apps mentioned in Shane Lowry’s infobox differ from those cited in 2009–10 Leeds United F.C. season (11 vs. 12) and 2011–12 Millwall F.C. season (9 vs. 22). — 37 (talk) 12:29, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I recently created a page for Newton F.C., a side that played in the North West Counties League and FA Vase, but it was put up for deletion, and despite my protestations, it was given the hook. I have explained my reasons on the deleters talk page and he has put it back on, but with a speedy deletion tag still on - I would appreciate it if others with a bit more clout could help with contesting the deletion as it the only club to have played in the NWCFL's top two divisions not to have an article! Kivo (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi, there is a discussion btetween me and User:Jjapanesitalianbritish on article Zlatan Ibrahimović. The editor insists on Zlatan being Albanian after this keepingscore.blogs.time.com. Zlatan is born in Sweden to Bosnian father and Croatian but I have never heard anything about him being Albanian. Can we trust this source or do we need more sources for this claim? Qed237 (talk) 20:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia's verifiability policy says a couple of pertinent things. At WP:NEWSBLOG, it says "Several newspapers, magazines, and other news organizations host columns on their web sites that they call blogs. These may be acceptable sources if the writers are professionals, but use them with caution because the blog may not be subject to the news organization's normal fact-checking process." At WP:REDFLAG, it says that "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources" (highlighting original), going on to say that this section may be relevant to "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources". I see no multiple high-quality sources describing Mr Ibrahimovic as ethnically Albanian.
The biographies of living persons policy requires us to write conservatively about living people, and to ensure that we use high-quality sources. It also refers to media-hosted blogs, at WP:BLPSPS, with a slightly different emphasis: "Some news organizations host online columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control." Unless you can confirm that blog to have been subject to TIME magazine's full editorial control, including fact-checking, it can't be used on a BLP.
Personally, I don't care whether Mr Ibrahimovic has Albanian ethnicity or not. I suspect that if he had, it would have been widely reported, because there are enough people sufficiently obsessed with such matters to make sure it was widely reported. I do care about people wasting the time of this encyclopedia's volunteers by forcing them to defend it from editors trying to impose their own obsessions on it, whether in good faith or otherwise. Thank you for listening. Struway2 (talk) 08:30, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
ONE source and that's a blog. If he's albanian there should be plenty of other sources but there aren't. WP:DROPTHESTICK Kante4 (talk) 10:19, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Now blocked as yet another sock of the previous Albanian pushers. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
A notability tag was placed on a number of women's football clubs today: Tranmere Rovers L.F.C., Crewe Alexandra L.F.C., AFC Wimbledon Ladies. Does the club notability criterion "All teams that have played in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists) are assumed to meet WP:N criteria" apply to both the men's and women's game? U+003F? 14:13, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
An other discussion I would like input from this project. In Template:UEFA Euro 2016 qualification (3rd place) and that talkpage there is a discussion if the point deduction Croatia has been given by UEFA also applies to the ranking of third-placed teams. Please add your opinion there. Qed237 (talk) 20:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Check his PERSONAL LIFE section, is this encyclopedical and worth keeping? Certes, it bears relation to the self-proclaimed best, second-best and third-best player in the world, but methinks not.
Attentively --84.90.219.128 (talk) 01:56, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Please consider commenting at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Notability#Referee_notability on the simple question: how can we determine if a referee is notable? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:50, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
According to his article, Michael Turnbull was signed by Bristol City for three years at some point in the first half of the last decade before work permit issues scuppered the deal. Can someone confirm whether this is the case? Hack (talk) 05:34, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Daresay it's possible that they might have offered him a contract if he was likely to qualify for a work permit, but when they realised he wouldn't, they didn't proceed. Normally, if work permit problems only surface when the club tries to register the player, it gets reported on at the time, but I can't find anything either on the BCFC site or anywhere else contemporary. Incidentally, they spell him TurnbAll on the Bristol City site, presumably a typo but it does occur on other sites as well. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:13, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
If a player scores four goals: first in 5', then in 75' (completing a brace), then in 78' (completing a hat-trick), and then in 80', can he be said to have achieved a 2-minute brace (78' to 80') or a 5-minute hat-trick (75' to 80'), for the purposes of determining the fastest braces/hat-tricks? --Theurgist (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Do people in this project think this website is a reliable source?
I am working on getting FIFA World Cup top goalscorers a FL so I would appreciate any feedback at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/FIFA World Cup top goalscorers/archive2. Nergaal (talk) 20:50, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Please evaluate Draft:Jason Goodliffe for notability, is the press coverage enough to reach notability (WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTY). Please post your opinions on the draft's talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:59, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Question to my teammates, some of many years: is it possible I stop writing summaries altogether to avoid the slightest controversy (if not, do you have any suggestions?)? I'd like to go on a "one-man show", working alone unless it is extremely necessary (if someone asks for my help I won't deny it of course)?
After the run-in about Quique Sánchez Flores, the same three years later: an assertive but polite message to User:Alechuncho after something wrong I felt he had made in Nolito's article (I merely asked for respect for EVERYBODY's work, not just mine, because I am a bit fed up with major edits that remove bits from text or box not having any explanation in the summary box; that, and I was always polite in my tone) resulted in severe insults towards my person (i.e. my "f***ing mother" was "kindly" remembered of her existence).
Inputs please, thank you in advance (P.S. surely you folks don't think I am going to notify this person about this thread after seeing there is no love lost between us, why? Ask HIM! P.S.2 after reading his last tirade, I lost it and responded in kind; I regretted it immediately and reverted myself, but I notify any admin that happens to make acquaintance with this situation to block me as well if they see fit) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 09:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Davefelmer (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Who added all these regional and reserve trophies to the club's trophy haul? This is a farce and isnt corroborated by the club (http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/honours), UEFA (http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=52280/profile/) or FIFA as well as the link to the most successful clubs at the top of the page! This is not to deny arsenal havent physically won those "trophies" but they do not count as honours by any credible source and unless someone can provide evidence to the countrary, then they will be removed. Wikipedia is supposed to represent factual and accepted information, and these "honours" dont fall in either category.
Davefelmer (talk) 18:38, 23 September 2015 (UTC)sourcing based off "research" by an Arsenal fan blog is not neutral, credible or reliable. It is not a source. The honours list doesnt match that of Fifa, Uefa, the club website or even the link at the top of the page! small local and regional tournaments, won frequently by reserve sides, have no place on the main honours page and should and will be removed. Imagine if this was edited in for all clubs, like United adding their 32 Manchester Cups, 14 Lancashire Senior Cups etc. It would be a cluttered mess.
Davefelmer (talk) 17:13, 26 September 2015 (UTC)is this real life? I am using the governing body of football, the governing body of Europe, the club in question, ALL mainstream media and the link at the top of the Arsenal page as mt evidence! You are using fan blogs that do not even state the awards as honours and provde no official count with those included as trophies. No rational person would use every major football source as but would use a fan blog? I think you need a lie down mate. It is you that has decided to include a ton of mickey mouse awards as club honours on no basis besides a fan blog stating you won them once upon a time. NOBODY recognises them and so they will be removed.
This might be irrelevant in the next couple of hours, but McNamara's departure from the Dundee United manager's job – widely reported on Saturday night and universally accepted by the media as a fact, for example, in this BBC report telling us who is taking over as caretaker – still hasn't been subject to any official confirmation by the club. I have noted and referenced the reports on McNamara's own article, but for the time being, should his infobox and that on the Dundee United article, etc., still describe him as manager? I think they should, have reverted changes already yesterday, but they've been changed again. Thoughts? Jellyman (talk) 14:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
I see there's Category:Campeonato Brasileiro Série A players, Category:Campeonato Brasileiro Série C players and Category:Campeonato Brasileiro Série D players (the last one I created today and I pretend to expand it after some edits, as I'll do with Série C too). But Série B is different (Category:Campeonato Brasileiro Série B footballers), it was moved using this discussion as the reason. However, it was perfectly fine before the move. Should I move the category to its previous name or we need to start a RM? MYS77 ✉ 17:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Please can somebody have a word with Zecke1910 (talk · contribs), maybe someone who speaks German if language is an issue? They never make any edit summaries or reply to talk page posts; they mainly update stats, but have a history of adding unsourced content, creating non-notable articles, and re-formatting infoboxes incorrectly. Their behaviour is becoming increasingly concerning. GiantSnowman 16:30, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
A style question. @Walter Görlitz: has suggested to me that the Vancouver Whitecaps FC team name should "not ever, ever, ever" be rendered (anywhere in an article, under any context) without the "FC". That is, "Vancouver Whitecaps", "Vancouver" and "Whitecaps" should never be used, only "Vancouver Whitecaps FC" or "Whitecaps FC". Presumably, this would also extend to other MLS teams, like Seattle Sounders FC or Orlando City SC. I'll allow him to explain his reasoning. But to me, it makes little sense to use "FC" in every context. Team names are shortened in articles all the time (see Manchester United F.C., which is shortened to both "Manchester United" and just "United"). Using FC every time the Whitecaps are mentioned does not sound like plain English to me. Even MLS themselves sometimes uses the name sans "FC" on its website (see here). And there appears to be a silent consensus that not using FC or SC is okay in some circumstances (see Vancouver Whitecaps FC, Seattle Sounders FC, and Orlando City SC for examples of these teams' names being rendered without FC or SC).
Is there anything wrong with occasionally leaving off the FC or SC in these team's names? I just want to clear this up so I don't keep getting reverted. Bmf 051 (talk) 06:06, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Is this a notable team? Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Currently in Template:fb team the flagicon is displayed after the club's name. In majority of the other football templates, the player's national flag is prior to the player's name (for example: Template:Fb in2 player, Template:Fb disc player, Template:Fb ss player, Template:Extended football squad player). So my suggestion for consistency is to move the flagicon to being prior to the club with a non-break space between the two. I do some minor discussion on this here, but I can't find any in depth discussion here on the matter. Thanks. #FF9600 talk 16:40, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Does anybody have a good suggestion for renaming The professional football league national Vietnam? The article is about the governing body for the two highest Vietnamese leagues plus the national cup competition, but the current name seems to be a bit artificial, so I'm not sure if it is the best fit as per WP:NAME... – Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 16:43, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Is someone interested to improve Romanian Football : Cupa României old seasons who does not have a page, and Liga II also. If everyone will choose a season and edit, all the seasons will be done in one week ! Thank you.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 20:51, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
It looks like someone had a fun time randomly changing names of players and managers. — 37 (talk) 08:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
User World Cup 2010 has created 22 articles (category • template) about Armenia national football team results per year. As these articles are short (~2-5 kB each) I suggest to merge them in 3 pages: Armenia national football team results (1990s), Armenia national football team results (2000s) and Armenia national football team results (2010s). Example of some very short pages: 1992 Armenia national football team results, 2002 Armenia national football team results. --XXN, 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Is there any good reason why Country seasons should use collapsible results tables rather than the simpler tables used in Club seasons? Hack (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, just a quick question. Do I interpret WP:NFOOTBALL correctly if I say that all players who has represented national team in a match between two national teams are notable. I was wondering since I was thinking about creating an article for a player that played in World Cup Qualification, but does not have an article. Is playing in World Cup Qualification enough for a player notability? Qed237 (talk) 16:41, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi , this is Armin, I think the picture of fifa president should be changed . Blatter is no more fifa president, at least for the next three months.The picture of new acting fifa president should be attach instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Armin123421 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Our article says that this trophy is the same as that handed in the past to the winners of the First Division, when it was the top league. We don't seem to have an article on the trophy. When was this particular trophy inaugurated? --Dweller (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
According to a message left on my talk page, it is unknown what the proper spelling for this footballer is, so the content creator created duplicate articles at Yvrase Gerville and Yvrase Gervil. These obviously need to be merged. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 10:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
I recently expanded the William H. Moravek article (as it was put up for AfD), and the various sources I found suggested that he was manager of the British Virgin Islands national team from 2000 to 2001 (parallel to his time at Seba United), whereas previously he had been listed as only being manager in 2000. However, in a few other places (British Virgin Islands national football team and André Villas-Boas) it is claimed that Villas-Boas was manager from 2000 to 2001.
Looking at the AVB article, his spell in the BVI is referenced to two sources: The Independent and UEFA. However, both those articles actually state that he was Technical Director, rather than the manager.
Before I changed the articles to reflect this (i.e. remove him from the list of BVI managers), I thought I'd seek any other input people have. Cheers, Number 57 14:14, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Main article: Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying - why is the same OR that was not allowed in scenarios being allowed in other areas? As I pointed out in this edit, putting the scenario whereby Tukey qualify is NOT allowed, but putting a 'y' IS. They involve exactly the same amount of work. 2.220.109.19 (talk) 21:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
I came across Oliver Byrne while working off Category:Articles needing link rot cleanup. I tried to cleanup the whatever links I could find, but some of the older The Irish Times articles require a subscription to access. So, I'm wondering if anyone in WP:IE can access them and either fix the bare URLs themselves or post them on Talk:Oliver Byrne for me. Also, I tried cleaning up the article a bit, but I'm not too familiar with Byrne or Irish soccer. The article sort of reads like a rap sheet by focusing on his legal problems, so I think it could do with a bit of reorganizing, balancing and expanding. Byrne seems to have been notable enough and successful enough so that there should be more to add about his accomplishments in Irish soccer or his personal life. I just can't seem to find sources that I can access. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:43, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
I have a doubt: are his additions completely correct or are the articles (mainly Brentford players) overdetailed? Because I took a look at Scott Hogan, and it looked like a WP:FANCRUFT. MYS77 ✉ 23:58, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
@MYS77: I do hope you've notified Beatpoet that you're discussing him here? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:38, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
I propose that addendum "Qualifier for" in the articles of the national football cups. I want the acceptance of the community so we do not have reverts. The parameter used in the international champioships like that ([7]). --IM-yb (talk) 15:18, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
For national leagues we have the parameter "International cup(s)". In the text of the article of the FA Cup we have the section European qualification. It is compatible with parameter "Qualifier for". --IM-yb (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Also we have that section UEFA Europa League#Qualification who speaks about qualification from national cups. From the original "Usually, places are awarded to teams who finish in various runners-up places in the top-flight leagues of Europe and the winners of the main cup competitions." --IM-yb (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
The {{Infobox football tournament}} not used only for national cup competitions. For example, in the article UEFA Champions League we have "Qualifier for UEFA Super Cup, FIFA Club World Cup" and has not referred any confusion about the purpose of the tournament. --IM-yb (talk) 19:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Maybe a new parameter "Related competitions" (like the {{Infobox sports league}}, for usage see there) is compatible for the national cups and international competitions. --IM-yb (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
In any case, we need a way in which we will show international competitions in national cups infoboxes, as in championships. --IM-yb (talk) 10:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 October 10#AFC Challenge Cup squad templates. Joeykai (talk) 14:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I have created a table which is displayed at the right top of Italy results (as you can see here). However, I think it would be more useful to have it as a template page, so as to modify it at once for all the pages that (will) contain it. My doubt stems from the fact that a different (in purpose) Template:Italy national football team results already exists, so I am wondering whether it would be reasonable to create a second template for Italy national team, and if yes, what title it should have. --Tanonero (msg) 12:19, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
As his correct date of birth was 7 October 1878, could someone move this article to Jack Carr (footballer, born 1878). Thanks. 78.147.164.217 (talk) 06:14, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I am pretty sure there is AFD precedent that articles like American professional soccer players abroad and List of Romanian expatriate footballers are non-notable, but can somebody with a better memory than me please point me in the right direction? GiantSnowman 17:20, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Is someone interested to improve Romanian Football : Cupa României old seasons who does not have a page, and Liga II also. If everyone will choose a season and edit, all the seasons will be done in one week ! Thank you.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 19:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
We already started with Cupa României, but it takes time to advance till current season. Thanks.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 08:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Many of the people interested in English football (and some others) know about Piers Morgan and his 'supportership' towards Arsenal. Many Arsenal fans hate him, for several reasons and all he does is to talk sh*t about club and manager Arsene Wenger and he has had dispute with players. Not someone me and others wants to consider as a fan, and other high profile persons and fans has gone against him and defend the team and Wenger.
Since I am very biased in this case I want some fresh eyes in the Piers Morgan article. For example, my wording "Morgan claims to be a fan" was reverted to "Morgan is a fan", yet many do not consider him a fan, only himself says so. Also I added source and content about Arsenal fans dont think he is a fan and that was remove as "irrelevant what others think" but since this is so very much discussed I think it is relevant.
So please take a look at Piers Morgan, I would appreciate it. Qed237 (talk) 22:29, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
"Morgan claims to be a fan" is classic WP:WEASEL and it was right for the other editor to remove it on sight. Number 57 14:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Piers Morgan may be detested by quarters of the Arsenal support for his views, but calling for a change of manager doesn't stop someone from being a fan. The Newcastle obsessives who called for Alan Pardew to be sacked even when results were picking up, are still Newcastle fans simply because they say so. This is not like somebody claiming to be a "legend" or "hero" which is entirely an opinion, if a person says that he is a fan of Team X, he is a fan of them. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
If he admits being a fan of Arsenal, then it's what he is. SLBedit (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that 2015 Afghan Premier League and 2015 Afghan Premier League season both exist. Equineducklings (talk) 02:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
We can clearly see in WP:FOOTY/Players that the name of division is repeated inside the chart. However, in Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi, those division names aren't repeated, as we have a | rowspan="number" being used. I will highlight the differences in green, using a part of those tables as an example.
| rowspan="number"
Messi's table:
WP:FOOTY/Players' table:
What's the correct input, or both are? I personally prefer the first one, we don't need to repeat the division if the team is the same, IMO. MYS77 ✉ 17:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to work on a table of Grays Athletic's league history (in my sandbox) and I've found that Grays' league entry for 1955–56 at the Football Club History Database conflicts with the Wikipedia page List of Corinthian League (football) seasons#1955–56, which looks to be sourced directly from Non-League Matters. Does anyone have anything that could weight the argument one way or the other, or perhaps have a source more official/direct from the Corinthian League? Thanks in advance, --Jimbo[online] 15:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Instead of updating the content of individual squad navboxes in each Wikipedia language version separately, it has become possible to update the squad on Wikidata collaboratively and to transclude the data from there in any Wikipedia. Such an approach would allow reducing performing redundant work and to keep squad navboxes especially of smaller clubs more up to date. Please see two examples in de.wikipedia (especially their source code):
I would appreciate if you considered participating in such efforts, too. --Leyo 01:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Hereunder is the topic moved from the subsection Players. Please share your opinion:
While in most of articles about football players performing at international level, we can find "international statistics" section with apps and goals scored in particular years, I've been always missing a section where I could read how a player performed during international events. For that purpose I put some work to edit some articles I follow and created extra sections called "international events". It's based on a template used by NHL ice hockey players. I made that edit for 6 articles, here is the example of such a list for created for Neymar:
Only major international events including the Olympic Games with U23 team
All the edits has been however reverted by Qed237 who believes that there is no need for such lists and that it's a POV in a way of describing "major" competitions. My idea is that the list gives a reader nice overview of how a player performed at international events, and that describing "major" events is quite easy in football. At international level we have youth, friendly, qualifying and "major" competitions where we have got FIFA World Cup, continental championships, FIFA Confederations Cup plus the Summer Olympic Games tournament being all official events under FIFA or respective confederations.
Please give me idea if a layout of such lists could exist for football players. Ksihoo 21:54 (CET), 14 October 2015
Could someone please merge John McMillan (footballer, born 1865) and William McMillan (footballer) as they have now been identified as the same person. Thanks. 78.147.107.176 (talk) 19:20, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Allow me to dive in with an example: Jan Vertonghen from Belgium has 74 caps according to Belgium's Football Association, but 72 according to FIFA because two of those matches were not officially recognized (due to too many subs). So all Belgian Wikipedia pages list him as having 72 caps, not 74. Same goes for 'the amount of matches' the whole team has played, etcetera. In the meanwhile, many other websites will list him as having 74 caps, since that's what is displayed on the team's official website.
Now I'm wondering whether Wikipedia 'must' actually follow FIFA. It is a huge authority, of course, but should every statistic be in relation to FIFA? If an article is about Belgium, should it instead follow its own football association or perhaps UEFA instead? UEFA also still lists that match, for example. –Sygmoral (talk) 03:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
With Excel and notepad (only) I'm able to create in a fast way many articles. For creating an article, get it linked to foreign wiki's and creating redirects, cost me about 1 minutes per page. I created this month already >700 Volleyball stubs (see here), like Manuela Secolo, Patricia Soto, Yulissa Zamudio and will create even more in the next weeks. If people are willing to do the same for football, I can help :). I can create excel templates for the FIFA Women's World Cup players and Summer Olympics footballers. We are talking about +/- 3000 pages (raw guess), but I don't have time to do it. I can give the Excel file or upload it somewhere so all the missing players can be created, or missing infoboxes can be added to articles! Let me know if people are enthousiastic :). Cheers, Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 22:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
@Sander.v.Ginkel: any news on this please? GiantSnowman 08:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi again, I have two questions regarding tables.
The risk of leaving it would be editors moving teams with same position around, to have "their team" on top.
Any answers would be appreciated. Qed237 (talk) 22:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
|update=future
If I make a summary of this, and please correct me if I am wrong, it feels like many want to display that teams have same position in someway, although tables change quickly and it might not always be needed. The T (for example T1) was suggested, but it is not commonly used in football, and some editors did not like it and those that did like it did not care that much. For that reason I would like to say that current consensus here is to use regular numbers to show team positions like the example below.
Have I got this right or wrong? If no editor opposes I will make these changes to the world cup qualification tables shortly. Qed237 (talk) 12:29, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
First of all, thanks to Qed237 that noticed me this discussion (sorry for delay). Well, basically I could agree with the status quo (1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc...), because it seems to be the most used form, but I've not a defined idea. Btw, seeing Qed's sandbox, and the CONMEBOL table improved by him, it's ok for me. Well done. Regards :-) --Dэя-Бøяg 01:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I am no stranger to implement this whenever I see two tied teams. I already follow all top division tables in Europe as well as many other tables (they are in my sandbox for monitoring) and it is very easy to do. The "qualification-column" shows what happens on those positions, but the rest of the table is always "current table" with the current stats and positions and if teams are tied, they are tied, and then we should somehow display it. Qed237 (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm Yellowcard and mainly active in the German Wikipedia.
As you might have heard already, it is meanwhile possible to obtain data from Wikidata and, as Arbitrary Access was enabled, not only from the Wikidata item that is linked to the article but also from other articles. This means: It is possible to obtain data like the players' names in a club roster, or data of a player for the infobox (such as birthday, birthplace, teams and number of games played and goals scored). I tried this in the German Wikipedia: The squad template of Montreal Impact is triggered by the data from Wikidata (item: Q21011427), also the data in the infobox of Ambroise Oyongo (concretely: file name, birthday, number of games and goals for Impact and the date of the last update from Q2842397). It works properly and it would be possible to do even more.
In the German Wikipedia, we face the problem that we don't have enough active users to keep our articles up-to-date, escpecially for players in leagues outside of Europe. The MLS is a good example as we have maybe two or three active editors who update the players' articles which is not enough at all. Idea: If many Wikipedias would obtain some data from Wikidata and would maintain and update it there, all Wikipedia language versions would profit by that.
Of course, there would be some aspects to be talked about in advance, such as what kind of games is counted and what is not, but in the end it would be a fantastic improvement for all smaller language versions that could simply obtain up-to-date data without maintaining all the articles by themselves. So I'd like to ask you about your opinion: Would that be a general option for you to obtain some data from Wikidata and update the data in the Wikidata items directly? What problems do you excpect by doing so? And who would be open to take some steps towards this breaking change?
I'd appreciate if we could talk about the possibilities, potential problems and your willingness to maybe go this new way. I don't want to make changes at the current point of time, but rather have a general talk about this topic. Cheers from Germany, Yellowcard (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Edge cases: I thought a bit more, there are some edge cases to think about:
--Papuass (talk) 09:12, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
While the players in squad navbox of Montreal Impact are ordered according to their family name, ordering by shirt number is also possible: de:Vorlage:Navigationsleiste Kader des FC Lausanne-Sport (d:Q20870955, {{FC Lausanne-Sport squad}}). The latter possibility seems to be preferred here. --Leyo 21:17, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
As you are probably aware, the infobox for football clubs includes a parameter called "full name". What exactly is meant by this? At 1. FC Magdeburg there is a disagreement between myself and 37 about the exact meaning. Per the club's statute, its full name is "1. FC Magdeburg e. V.", and I hold that this should be entered in the full name parameter. However, 37 argues that FC itself is an abbreviation and should therefore be spelled out. I argued that other football clubs, such as FC Schalke 04 define their name to be "Fußballclub Gelsenkirchen-Schalke 04 e.V., abgekürzt „FC Schalke 04 e.V.“" and so we should use the legal moniker of the club. As we have not been able to reach a conclusion to the discussion, I'd ask for you guys to comment. I have linked to this discussion on the talk page. Madcynic (talk) 12:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello to you all. I was working on Comoros national team page and came accross this probleme, so here I am to gather opinions on this subject. I think that the two pages Youssouf Ahamadi and Hamadi Combo actually are about the same player.
Combo is actually the nickname of Ahamadi (as can be seen on this official Comoros FA Article : "De même, Hamadi Youssouf, dit Combo, qui évolue cette année en national avec Belfort, actuellement en pleine forme, retrouve la sélection après un an et demi-d'absence.", which can be roughly translated as "H. Youssouf, nicknamed Combo, who plays in National with Belfort this year, is back with the national team after an 18-months absence"). Plus, the national-football-teams.com profile for Combo is completely empty of information except for one single international game. And there is no trace of Combo on football databases nor Belfort official website.
Does anyone agree with me that the two pages should be merged, or a redirect applyied to Combo's article to Ahamadi, as it's seems to be the player's common name ? Thanks for your opinion, Tuttiseme (talk) 14:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Curiosity question: why are we having a complete squad pages for UEFA Youth League seasons, but not, for example, Champions League seasons? -BlameRuiner (talk) 22:43, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
One of my friends, User talk:Alhosniomani20, has been trying to get a table of the 2015–16 Oman First Division League and 2015–16 Oman Second Division League fixed and I tried to help but I couldn't even find a solution. He is referencing this. He only wants 6 rounds but for some reason the table won't go below 16. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 07:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, started adding DEFAULTSORT to members of Category:Football clubs in Algeria eg "Belouizdad, CR" to CR Belouizdad, is this OK ? I thought this was the standard but thought I'd better check here first, I got as far as J - am I OK to continue or should I undo the changes I have made thus far (A to I) Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 16:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Over the last few days, a series of edits have been made to the section titles so that we now have, for example "2011–12: Consistent performer" and "2013–14: Cup finals match winner". To me, these don't seem very encyclopaedic and are probably in breach of the "no PoV" rule. Does anyone else agree? 2.96.234.223 (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello to all, can you help me to delete this page ([[Category:Albanian expatriates in the Bulgaria]]) because i created it accidentaly while editing Klodian Semina. There is already a page named [[Category:Albanian expatriates in Bulgaria]]. I Cannot delete it bcz im not an adm. Thank you. -- Sadsadas, talk, 00:41 (CET).
With this project being one the largest in WP, is there any interest in setting up a Wikipedia:Stub Contest, specific for football-related subjects? Over 100,000 articles are assessed as stub in the article statistics, so there's a lot to go through. We could use most of the rules already defined, or modified them according to consensus. Is it feasible?--Threeohsix (talk) 12:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to raise this old chestnut again (personally I don't really have an opinion on it), but from what I understood is that the main problem is the automatic updating required to ensure all player articles are accurate. I think I may have found a way around this. We need to create a single template (say {{English club divisions}}) in which the current league of all the clubs is stored. In player articles, this can then be used in the text to list the division (so for example, the code would look like "Player X currently plays in {{English club divisions|Footown United}} for Footown United). Whatever division was in the template (links also work) would then be displayed. This would allow us to update thousands of articles by updating a single template.
I spotted this in use for Scottish football ground capacities, and have recently started using it for populations of places in Israel (see {{Israel populations}} and use at Sde Boker. I'm sure this has plenty of other applications – for example club infoboxes where current division and previous seasons are stated. I recall another discussion we had about automatic updates, but I can't remember what it was regarding. Number 57 16:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
This looks good to me, the template editing should definitely be restricted to template editors/admins as it will be used in hundreds of articles. Certainly helps get rid of my previous concerns about divisions in intros not being updated. GiantSnowman 08:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
I've upped the protection level to template editors & admins only. Does anyone want to take this on? I'm rather busy at the moment, but it was just a suggestion for others to take forward. Cheers, Number 57 09:05, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Liga II - there are a lot of seasons missing, if everyone will choose one, all the seasons will be done by the end of the year, so please start with the second edition, the first one is already done summarily.
I have also references : [8] and [9], for each season.
Just add the information in Wikipedia tables, I will correct if you do not tag correct the teams. Thank you !--Alexiulian25 (talk) 15:33, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I see a day in the future when Wikipedia will be the bigger football database ! The format is very good, easy to find what you need, you can go on other page just with a click, and read about teams, players, anything.
Just edit one season, everyone will edit one and will be done in one week ! And after we will start with another country ! Thanks !--Alexiulian25 (talk) 17:16, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Now is an encyclopedia for notable content, but in the far future when we will add more and more information, the Football part can split and become a database. The format allow to access fast any information, no other football website is so easy and practically in finding various information, all together, by a click or 2 apart. Is still many things missing, and the edits take time, is not just Copy - Paste unfortunately.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 18:50, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
One day I hope we can add also all time top scorers (top 100-200), like we also have all time tables for important leagues, actually some Wikipedia already have, like Italian and Spanish, and why not a program to calculate for us the points, goals and anything, we just to add the results ! That is the future which Wikipedia Football should have !--Alexiulian25 (talk) 18:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Does Ossett Town Ladies FC pass WP:NFOOTBALL... ? JMHamo (talk) 09:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I stumbled across this snappily titled article. I wonder if we can come up with a better title? Comments please here --Dweller (talk) 12:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
If someone would want to take a look at Thierry Henry that would be appreciated. This article is a featured article, but at the latest" Featured article review" in 5 December 2009 the lead was 4 paragraphs and 367 words (see this diff), and WP:LEADLENGTH says three or four paragraphs. However the lead has grown and editors have added to much info not belonging there and now it is 5 paragraphs and 582 words and it looks way to big.
Can someone help with cleanup? I dont have the time now myself, otherwise I could do it myself. Qed237 (talk) 16:43, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Currently, the rule seems to be that anyone who has made a professional league flight debut is eligible to have an article and passes the prerequisites of Project Football's Notoriety. This means that a player who played a single fixture may have a page written about them. Teeboy Kamara is an example of such a player. Admittedly, he was at the time the youngest player in the league and also played in two Champions League fixtures, but after spending 2 years out of the game, he is now playing with a semi-professional state league club. A Google search of his name returns "About 4,630 results". Another example is Tony Hatzis who also featured in a single top flight match and now whose Google search returns more entries of a barrister by the same name.
Compare this with a player such as Jake Brimmer. Brimmer was on the cusp of signing with Melbourne Victory and would've more than likely made his first team debut by now, which would've immediately deemed himself notable, instead at the 11th hour, was offered a much more lucrative deal with Liverpool and subsequently signed for them. Also, a Google search of his name returns "About 95,800 results".
Because of the strength of Liverpool's first team, he is unlikely to make his debut for quite some time. Still though, the current rule has it that a player like Kamara who is now very much out of the limelight can keep his article, but the newly created article about Brimmer is going through an AfD and is more than likely going to be deleted in the upcoming week.
Perhaps it's time for us to rethink what truly counts as notable coverage, notability and our own rules on who deserves an article. - J man708 (talk) 04:55, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
<reduce indent> The underlying point is that a player doesn't have to meet WP:FOOTY's conditions if he or she meets general notability of having significant, non-trivial coverage in multiple sources. Look at Colin Cowperthwaite - never played a day's professional football in his life but has had an article here for 7 years based on his achievements/coverage/notability. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 10:29, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Am I correct in interpreting WP:RED as redlinks should be avoided in such articles as 2015–16 Heart of Midlothian F.C. season for players who do not currently meet any notability criteria? Cheers, --Jimbo[online] 22:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Can anybody please make the pertinent adjustments in Jonathan Soriano's chart of statistics (not the box, mind you, the one below)? I elaborate:
said chart shows him playing one Copa del Rey game with FC Barcelona B. Indeed, B-teams did play cup matches back in the days (ceased in the 80's I think), but not anymore. This appearance, against Cultural y Deportiva Leonesa as the source in storyline very well shows, was for Barcelona A, so we need two separate columns, one for Barcelona B and another for Barcelona A with just that cup appearance.
Attentively, thank you in advance --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:35, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
It was announced that a new team would be created with a similar name to a defunct one. I've proposed moving the article of the defunct club. Please see the talk page at Bethlehem Steel F.C.. TheBigJagielka (talk) 01:37, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello football enthusiasts. Is this old page about a notable player? Should it be (1) deleted (2) kept in Draft space for a season (3) improved and moved to mainspace?—Anne Delong (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Can someone look at this article about an Australian footballer. His "International goals" sections includes goals against Rangers, Red Star Belgrade, Caroline Hill (Hong Kong) and "Dez Marton Squad". As none of these are full international matches, they should be removed. This brings his goal tally down to 11 whereas the infobox credits him with 13 goals for Australia in 44 matches.
The Soccerway reference cited relates to a totally different player (K. Amri from Singapore). The National Football Teams site credits him with 11 goals in 27 matches, whereas the Australian Player Database at Ozfootball credits him with 13 goals in 44 appearances for the "Socceroos" (the same as the infobox), but this includes a whole host of matches against European club sides - as well as those mentioned, there are matches against Nottingham Forest, Juventus, FC Twente, and several others. If I've spotted them all, the club matches total 15. If these are excluded, this brings the total full internationals down to 29.
Are there any reliable sources which show which Australian matches are deemed to be "full" internationals? Before changing the article, the final result should be properly sourced and referenced. 78.147.149.132 (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
RSSSF credits him with 11 goals, but he is not shown in their list of players with 30 or more appearances. 92.24.170.160 (talk) 10:00, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I raised this a last month but with out much input Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_98#Colourful_Navboxes . Rather than remove the colours , can someone who knows about this club make this template readable? Gnevin (talk) 09:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
<reduce indent> I think that there's a more basic point that colour is more attractive, engages people and makes Wikipedia more usable as a result. We want it to be subtle and need to put readability first, but around that the use of colour is a key part of the aim of teaching people stuff! Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 11:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)