Most airport articles in India are named per their official name. But to due the Government rapidly declaring airports as International, users keep moving and/or change the name of the airport in the infobox and lead to a title by including the word International in the title, for eg, Vijaywada Airport was granted international status in early 2017, people moved it to Vijaywada International Airport, this despite there is no source that there is a change in the name of the airport. Newspaper articles in India refer to airports by multiple names, for eg, BLR is referred to as Bangalore Airport, Bangalore International Airport, Kempegowda Airport, Kempegowda International Airport.
Per this discussion, my understanding is that while using a non-official name, the 'a' in airport has to be lower case. Per WP:AVIMOS, the suggestion is to use a more smaller name than the official name in cases where the official name is too long which holds good for Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport, Lokpriya Gopinath Bordoloi International Airport, etc where probably WP:COMMONNAME can be applied.
Another problem is with the Airports Authority of India's official page for each airport, for eg: IXE's official page where in the title it says Mangalore International Airport and below at the map location, it says, Mangalore Airport. I have seen the name being displayed as Mangalore International Airport, Mnagalore Aiport, Mangaluru Aiport and finally to both Mangalore International Aiport and Mangalore Aiport. This has happened even with HBX, the name being displayed as Hubli Airport, then Hubballi Aiport and then back to Hubli Aiport which just indicates that probably for the airport titles, AAI's page is unreliable. My concern is what title each of the Indian Aiports' page need to be and what source to refer? IMO, I believe, it's best we stick to the name displayed in IATA's official page. Please give your suggestions. — LeoFrank Talk 15:06, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Jan olieslagers: Does ICAO publish a database of airports anywhere (if you are aware of it)? The problem is, at present, we can rely only on the IATA database as mentioned above. But if ICAO database can be accessed, it would be more reliable. The move to keep changing teh title to add International to the name goes on and on, with recently Surat Airport moved to Surat International Airport.
@MilborneOne: Something needs to be done for this issue. We might have to add more to WP:AVIMOS? — LeoFrank Talk 03:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@@Garretka:@@Andrewgprout:@@Stinger20: Sorry guys just tagging you along to see what is your opinion about airline hubs. There are some certain arguments going on regarding airline having hub or not. I am aware that airline has hub at certain airport as soon as it's connecting flights within that airport to final destination. For example Blue Air connecting Athens & Thessaloníki flights via Larnaca to Bucharest or connecting flights form Larnaca via Buchurest to Cologne/Bonn and many other cities. In both cases Larnaca & Bucharest are hubs for the airline as far i am aware. Wappy2008 (talk) 08:55, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
It states very clearly on the airline website that it is an operational base. "Blue Air will have six operational bases in 2016, namely Bucharest, Bacau, Iasi, Larnaca, Turin and Cluj-Napoca, with the latter becoming active as of October 2016."[1] Maybe a litle out of date but still states they are operational bases more than once, does not state anywhere on their website they operate hubs. Also the references this user provided for their point are insufficient to their point as the title says 'hub' but then goes on to call it an operational base more than once. CBG17 (talk) 12:35, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Operational base is airport where airline base their aircraft. My point of creating this discussion is that according WIKI guidelines Airline hub content: Blue air connecting via Larnaca the same way as it is connecting flights via Bucharest, therefore airline has hub in Larnaca the same way as in Bucharest and any other cities that airline might connect through. Wappy2008 (talk) 12:57, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
It should be down to what the airlines official sources say. You saying it is a hub is your own opinion on the matter if the airline states on its website it is an operational base then that’s what it is. Blue air is a low cost carrier just the same as the likes of Ryanair and Southwest. Ryanair also offers tickets like that where you can connect but they do not operate any hubs just bases which is what low cost carriers do. The airline operates a point to point method not hub and spoke but the airline does facilitate connections as it says on the Point-to-point transit page some airlines do not facilitate connections whereas blue air does. CBG17 (talk) 14:13, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
This is not matter of my own opinion. I am going according to Airline hub content and sources that states airline has hub not only in Larnaca or Bucharest but any other city specified. Airline could have operational base back in 2016 (as per your outdated ref.). To understand Airline has to base aircraft first to create operational base what Blue air did in 2016, before it started to connect flights and use it as hub. Wappy2008 (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
How can you honestly say the references you’ve provided prove your point the first sentence in one of them literally says “Blue Air has launched its new base of operations in Cyprus” in that scentence it doesn’t say hub so that reference can not be used to support it as it clearly says 2 different things which support both arguments. There is far more evidence to prove it is a base over the evidence it is a hub another example:[2][3] It even states in the airlines in flight magazine from THIS MONTH the airline operates 9 bases[4] If the airline operates it as a hub they would state it was a hub it simple they don’t state it as a hub so it’s not a hub. And it is your own opinion as you’re going against the reliable references supporting the fact that they’re bases and not hubs. I can provide far more references to prove that they are bases and not hubs. CBG17 (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
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All seems overcomplicated to me, not sure why we need such complex mark up for what should be a simple list. Complex markup doesnt help new editors or experienced editors who cant be bothered. Also hope that some of the iffy sources are not used on any final result. I expect it to return here at some point for project approval. MilborneOne (talk) 13:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC) Surely by using this new format it is going to make it harder to edit pages and more confusing for new editors and some current editors? Seems more complicated to me. As it's shown in the talk page, it is already becoming complicated of how to add start and end dates, whereas the current format is easy to edit so surely this is not the best option to improve the tables?.CBG17 (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC) From what I gather above; the issue described is the variation in either the city name or the linked article. I'll point to WP:NOTBROKEN in that even though the link may not be the title of the desired page, if it works, don't try to fix it. For city names, it's simple for users to change in its current state. We may need better guidelines for disambiguaton sure, and I like the idea proposed, but it seems like the wheel is being reinvented here. Garretka (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC) Hello, to my point of view, if a people is editing a destination airport list, he is probably aware of its IATA code, so I don't think he would be bothered typing only the code. The aim is double : to make sure name shown on wikilink is written correctly and evenly. For instance, what I've found in the case of Madrid airport: [[Adolfo Suárez Madrid–Barajas Airport|Adolfo Suárez Madrid–Barajas]] [[Adolfo Suárez Madrid-Barajas Airport|Madrid]] [[Adolfo Suárez Madrid–Barajas Airport|Madrid]] [[Adolfo Suárez Madrid-Barajas Airport|Madrid-Barajas]] [[Barajas Airport|Madrid]] [[Barajas International Airport|Madrid]] [[Madrid Airport|Madrid]] [[Madrid Barajas Airport|Barajas]] [[Madrid Barajas Airport|Madrid]] [[Madrid Barajas International Airport|Madrid]] [[Madrid Barajas|Madrid]] [[Madrid-Barajas Airport|Madrid]] [[Madrid–Barajas Airport|Madrid]] to make sure the wikilink arrives on the correct page (for instance, if an airport title change, simply update the data and the link will be automatically updated, no redirections) to help easy copy paste into other wikipedias language (English wiki airports are much more update than other languages). The code would render same result into whichever wiki language [what a pity Wikidata isn't autorized so far inside wikipages]. Bouzinac (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC) Sorry it looks like a big sledgehammer to solve what is not really a major problem. MilborneOne (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2018 (UTC) WP:NOTBROKEN - there is no requirement for consistency among wiki links nor is there a reason to fear bypasses. Garretka (talk) 18:17, 24 June 2018 (UTC) I agree with Garretka, there is nothing wrong with the current method, with the linking problem its easy to, when adding the route copy and paste the name of the airports article name into the table which is what I do and I'm sure many other editors do as well which makes sure the link goes to the correct page. CBG17 (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2018 (UTC) The fact that you don't care about unaccuracy/out-of-date in other wikilangagues awes me : it's surely a major problem.Bouzinac (talk) 21:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
The original purpose of this modulo was adress the naming issues across airport articles, it had nothing to do with the actual links to articles. A good chunk of the current edits in destination tables have to do with syntax/fixing city names to follow the content guidelines.
We have also had many city naming disputes that have left airport articles inconsistent. Exmaples include Orlando vs Orlando–International, Columbus (OH) vs Columbus–Glenn, Dubai–International, etc, or (begins March 1, 2019), (Begins March 1, 2019), (begins March 2019) etc. On numerous occasions, users have decided that they will correct the names without consensus, making it difficult to change back one-by-one. This also helps inexperienced users, who may not know/understand all of the naming guidelines, and reduces the work for other users going back and correcting the syntax. It is much easier to look up the IATA/ICAO code of the airport than find the link on another page (which might still have the city name formatted incorrectly) or go through all of the style guidelines and manually figure out the correct city name to use.
It also helps with sorting the city names alphabetically, which is a very big problem on non-US airport pages, as not all of the users are as familiar with English and alphabetical order. The modulo also removes the begins/ends tags when they expire, eliminating the need to manually monitor each page for expired tags. This can be a big problem on non-US pages/small airports, which are not monitored 24/7.
Also, as User:Bouzinac mentioned above, this will make the continued implementation of the airport articles across languages much easier.
While this is far from a perfect solution, I do think it could help eliminate the constant syntax edit cluttering up the destination tables. There are still some issue with the implementation and a lot of improvements will be made, but I think the modulo has the potential to solve many issues. Stinger20 (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Just wondering has there been a consensus for this as I have noticed a user replacing links on airport pages with these? CBG17 (talk) 16:11, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jan olieslagers: the user is Bouzinac and has been replacing links to multiple airports on multiple pages eg: Nouakchott–Oumtounsy International Airport, Conakry International Airport, Adolfo Suárez Madrid–Barajas Airport, O. R. Tambo International Airport and some more i have reverted the edits on most of the pages so it is back to normal until anything is decided. It seems like this user has discussed it with 2 other editors and started to make changes without a consensus. CBG17 (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
[[Airport X|whatever variant of cityname]]
[[old redirection for Airport X|another variant of cityname]]
There is an RfC at Talk:Sofia Airport#policy clarification - future routes with 3rd party reference which is within the field of WikiProject Airports. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Adding to the above conversation. I've had it with these editing wars going on about references and citing these airline & destination tables. The fact of the matter is, if we are going to take a super hypertechnical interpretation of WP:V and WP:BURDEN, then 95% of the information is not referenceable. Since we apparently cannot have any flexibility here, I favor stopping these editing wars by getting rid of the info. NBA2030 (talk) 21:17, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
There's some boilerplate on each of the airport list articles such as List of airports by IATA code: H. The first paragraph of this makes sense in order to help read the table that follows (although maybe it would be better to include just once in the parent article?), but the second paragraph should definitely be removed. My reasoning is 1) it has an inappropriate tone (MOS:YOU), 2) Wikipedia is not meant to give how-to instructions (WP:NOTHOWTO), and 3) even if we did want such instructions, they would go in a single article about time zones or watches or something, very much not in airport list articles. I would just remove it, but I'm coming here so that I don't change 26 articles and then have them all reverted. And to that end, I also want to ping Woy23 and HankW512, who I think were primarily responsible for adding the text in the first place, so they have an opportunity to defend it if they wish. -- Fyrael (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
no argument -- HankW512 (talk) 05:58, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
On Kasane Airport, a (very polite!) editor insists on mentioning the electronic navigation aids VOR and NDB at the aerodrome. I wanted to remove them, finding the information too specialised and non-encyclopedical, but my action was reverted. Revert-warring is useless, so please offer your 0,02 of whatever currency :) . Opinions (and perhaps even actions) welcome! Jan olieslagers (talk) 16:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. Could someone give me some help please, both in Mfuwe Airport and Kasane Airport - the same editor keeps on reverting my modifications. Also see discussion on my talk page, where no further reaction came. Jan olieslagers (talk) 05:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody know if there is a consensus reached regarding the removal of future routes or destination table? I know there is a discussion at the talk page at Sofia Airport but I do not know if consensus was reached. 97.85.118.142 (talk) 08:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at Transport in Kazakhstan#Airports? I see a few "suspect" points:
Jan olieslagers (talk) 17:16, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
This site appears dead. Please help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Links to theairdb website to figure out what to do with the links to it. DMacks (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Please take a look at my recent addition to Talk:List of airports by ICAO code: U but be aware the matter is politically delicate. Jan olieslagers (talk) 09:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Recently, users has been adding a charter service such as Miami Air International and World Atlantic Airlines to Miami International Airport, but both appear to be private charters (from what I can find). Should they be included? Arnoboro (talk) 14:20, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
LeoFrank (talk · contribs) and myself are currently involved in an edit war about whether Air India 611, which received fairly major coverage in international news media for destroying the ILS receiver and airport containing wall on takeoff on October 12, should be included in the Incidents and accidents section of Tiruchirappalli_International_Airport. I strongly believe this is a notable instance, but LeoFrank cites the essay WP:AIRCRASH as a reason not to include this information. I think this is badly mistaken, as not only does the incident pass WP:GNG, but WP:AIRCRASH is not policy. Even if it holds true here, the accident passes "The accident involved hull loss or serious damage to the aircraft or airport" due to the damage the airport received. I'm pushing up against three reverts and would like someone to restore the edits I made to the article. Thank you! SportingFlyer talk 10:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
There is an anonymous user that keeps reverting my removal of Miami Air International, World Atlantic Airways and Swift Air on Miami International Airport. As I discussed above, I do not believe they should be included because I cannot find any evidence that supports the fact they are a regularly scheduled flights. However, this user is persistently reverting for no reason. Can the page be protected until further notice? Arnoboro (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I've fallen into this Palmyra (Cooper) Airport and wonder if an airport that still have airstrip and where plane can still land on it ==> can it still be categorised as defunct ? Other ambiguous case : a former civilian airport become only military airports ==> it is not defunct, isn't it? --Bouzinac (talk) 13:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Istanbul Airport regarding an edit war over the formatting of the articles "Airlines and destinations" section. It appears that edit war involves interpretation and application of this WikiProject's content guidelines, hence I would like to invite members of this project to contribute to the discussion at the article's talk page. Thank you. —Madrenergictalk 13:56, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, is it normal that both military and civilian airports share same IATA code ? Exemple : AAL for both Aalborg_Air_Base and Aalborg Airport --Bouzinac (talk) 13:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps, a qualifier that would state if the IATA code is "noticeable" with real air traffic ? It would help clean data and keep this up to date, and ditch the other pointless codes ? --Bouzinac (talk) 22:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Looking at the Sarandë Airport article, and checking satellite imagery, I doubt if it still exists as an aerodrome. Shouldn't the article be suggested for deletion? Or at least updated? Jan olieslagers (talk) 09:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Currently I am working on an expansion of that list, attempting to trace data back to 1919. Quite astonishing, that is rather easy for 1926 to 1939 and from 1975 on, as complete data is readily available. But the time between, for which the "List of busiest airports by passenger traffic" (worldwide) is more or less the same as a "List of busiest airports by passenger traffic" in the United States, the situation is different. The FAA statiscal publications for that time contain full passenger data either only a handful of, I guess rather arbitrarily chosen US airports, or a complete set of data of passenger departures only. Anyone here wo is more familiar with US air transport statistics? Or are there privately published data on that topic? Or could a FoIAR be helpful?--Antemister (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Turks seem adamant on calling the city of North Nicosia as Ercan which is the airport's name, the city's Turk name is Lefkosa, it seems they dont like using it and are dragging the airport name into Wikipedia airport articles, for some odd reason even their airlines prefer to refer to it by airport name than Lefkosa if not North Nicosia. Nicosia on the Greek Cyprus side does not have an active airport so Turks should have no problem using Lefkosa or North Nicosia name for the city, if Greek Cyprus' Nicosia had an active airport than the Turks could have used Ercan or Nicosia-Ercan to differntiate it as is the case with cities having more than one airport. Please look into this issue.202.163.108.183 (talk) 18:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
and in airport articles table as
I see that the new Istanbul airport is listed as Istanbul–Havalimanı on many airport articles. That won't work because "Havalimanı" apparently just means "airport", but there needs to be a way to distinguish it from Istanbul Atatürk Airport, especially for airports where there are flights to both. What should it be replaced with? Some ideas in my head: Istanbul–Grand (as it is referred to as while under construction), Istanbul–New (another commonly used name), Istanbul–Arnavutköy (naming after the district it is located in), what else? Note that the airport will continue to need disambiguation even after Atatürk closes (RIP), because Sabiha Gökçen International Airport will continue to operate. feminist (talk) 15:34, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Would anyone object to changing instances of Istanbul–Havalimanı to Istanbul–New? Istanbul–Havalimanı is problematic as it is ambiguous. feminist (talk) 19:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
This user (User:Charlesdrakew) seems to have decided for themselves that future routes shouldn't be included and is removing them at various airport pages including Bordeaux–Mérignac Airport. Anyone care to intervene? VG31 13:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
They're removing future routes again: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bordeaux%E2%80%93M%C3%A9rignac_Airport&type=revision&diff=862296974&oldid=862291654 VG31 13:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
I recently added a reference column to an Airlines and Destinations table which has turned into an edit war with another user claiming it's not on the project's "airport content" page listed, though many of our good articles include the reference column. Is there a preferred version of the A&D table now? SportingFlyer talk 02:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Huge amounts of data from wikidata are being dumped on List of airports in foo talk pages not sure it helps anybody at the project, has this been sanctioned anywhere? MilborneOne (talk) 17:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I looked at Leeds Bradford Airport, noticing what I felt was an inappropriate convert template, showing nautical miles first (then kilometres, with miles last), seen thus: "...6 nautical miles (11 km; 6.9 mi) northwest of Leeds..."({{Convert|6|NM|lk=in}} northwest of [[Leeds..).
I then looked at Luton Airport, as a control, finding the same: "...located 1.5 nautical miles (2.8 km; 1.7 mi) east..." (located {{convert|1.5|NM|lk=in}} east...).
As a further control/comparison, I looked at Heathrow Airport, finding that it was the same, up until this edit by Martinevans123 dated 16 September 2016.*It had previously been raised at Talk:Heathrow Airport#Non sense useless and inaccurate sentence: Heathrow lies 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) west, dated 6 December 2014. The same sentence however continues to give the area as kilometres-first and needs to be uniform.
*Has there been any discussion regarding standardisation of formatting?*Is there a presumption that international pilots would look at the intrinsically-unreliable Wikipedia, and that there is a convention that NM used in avaiation should dictate what is a general encyclopedia?
I could just change things, but my anticipation is that a 'regular' would knee-jerk press the 'undo' button. Thanks.--86.29.222.228 (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi
I think there is some work to ensure consistency between airport article title. For example, Heathrow Airport and Gatwick Airport omit "London" in the article title, whereas London Southend Airport does not. Similarly, Istanbul Atatürk Airport and Istanbul Airport include "Istanbul", whereas Sabiha Gökçen International Airport does not. Could someone please clarify?
Thanks ElshadK (talk) 19:13, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Recently this page was moved twice to Larnaca International Airport – Glafcos Clerides including a move directly against BRD being reverted while discussion was ongoing along with a refusal to revert. This move appears to be specifically against WP:COMMONNAME and the advice given at [[4]] and WP:CRYSTAL. The waring user Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης appears not to want to understand that the change does not fit Wikipedia norms - A quick google tests get only 29 mentions for larnaca airport +glafcos which is hardly an endorsement for the move that has been made. Andrewgprout (talk) 08:16, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello. I'm coming here to ask something related to this revert. While in a previous edit I said that I added the airports to major international because of the passenger number, the IP address account that reverted my edit said that what I did is a "guideline violation", because "its not the passenger number, its the importance for the country" that matters. I would like to be pointed to that guideline article that specifies this and be proven in a short, but clear way how those airports are minor and not major international. I see a prevalence of international routes on their (Nantes and Basel/Mulhouse airports to be precise) articles and, as I said, they are too in the top 10 most frequented airports in France in 2017, similar to how Bordeaux is, and no one has withdrawn that from major international category. As that IP is not a registered user account, I'm asking someone here. Thanks. BaboneCar (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Furthermore, let me show you this example : Daugavpils_International_Airport : it is called itself international albeit having absolutely no commercial flights? --Bouzinac (talk) 12:46, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
I believe it is relevant information to list basic statistics about an airline's largest hubs, such as at [5]. It is useful and interesting to see quantitatively the relative sizes of their presence at these airports to go along with market share, but another user has repeatedly removed this sourced content from several articles, claiming that because the data changes frequently it may not be included. Sure this is not always up-to-the-minute but it's perfectly acceptable to include the 'as of' date to provide context. Thoughts? Reywas92Talk 06:33, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Recently, as part of a restructuring of the major US airline (Delta, American, United, Southwest) articles, I removed the table containing the number of daily flights by hub because the information was outdated (in some cases, more than a year old). Because the information can fluctuate from month to month, I figured we do not need to list it in the airline articles unless we can find a reliable source that provides up to date information. However, this user (User:Reywas92), has been reverting my edits and keeps insisting they need to be included even with outdated info. I do not believe we need to include these for the reasons I stated above.
Additionally, this user insists that an outdated destination map on the Delta article that I removed should stay, despite it containing outdated information such as Tokyo-Narita being a hub for Delta.
Admittingly, this user and I got in a bit of an edit war and I would like some help resolving this. Thanks. Arnoboro (talk) 06:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Do you think the number of annual aircraft movements is a relevant statistic for an airport, or is it only for "hardcore avgeeks"? Even so I'd guess half the wikiproject would have to be deleted if we couldn't include information of interest to avgeeks. Reywas92Talk 06:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
An edit war seems to be going on at Straubing Wallmühle Airport, and I seem to remember the exact same happened before. I cannot check it out now for lack of time (and motivation :) ) but isn't it all about someone wanting to add to this article (about the newly created airfield) historical data of a quite different earlier airfield? Jan olieslagers (talk) 12:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Just come across this page which contains data from 2008, my question is whether it is worth updating this page to the 2018 statistics or whether this page is not needed any more as it is essentially a combined version of the busiest airports in the UK and the busiest airports in Ireland page but with old data. Thameslinkrail (talk) 18:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to delete an article, please can you delete it. Thameslinkrail (talk) 06:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
I have put a deletion tag on the page, if no-one objects within 7 days then an admin will check and possibly delete the page Thameslinkrail (talk) 07:35, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't this Huslia,_Alaska#Airport be split into two distinct wikiarticles? There are seldom other examples like this one : Castaway_Cay#Airport --Bouzinac (talk) 19:01, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
In most small, road-inaccessible places in rural Alaska, the airport and the community it serves are inseparable. Far too often, we have two sets of articles which act as islands unto themselves, merely to prove a point about notability versus non-notability, and which serve little purpose other than to act as venues for data sets and MOSes favored by particular groups of editors. Far too often, it defies reality to keep them separate. I mentioned this very thing in a Signpost interview years ago. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:16, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree with RadioKAOS here; I don't think this should be presumed notable. It's hardly an airport, rather a long strip of gravel. There is no reason to cover this in a separate article when it can be done in one. Reywas92Talk 04:20, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy in the land area of SDF. If you go to Form 5010 in references, it says 1,200 acres, but the airport website says 1,500 acres, a 300 acre discrepancy. Airport websites sometimes present wrong data. Also if you google SDF Airport skyvector, it says 1,200 acres. I tried changing it back to 1,200 acres about 1-2 years ago, but was reverted back to 1,500 acres. That figure (1,500 acres) appears in the first paragraph of the article and in the facilities section. Just wonder what the correct figure is, Airport IQ 5010 and Skyvector are accurate and up to date. Thanks and have a good week.2601:581:8000:21B0:6C90:423A:95EE:F66A (talk) 21:55, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Good day. The crash of United Airlines Flight 859 occurred at Stapleton International Airport on landing. DEN is over 480 miles away from Omaha, so should this first incident be deleted? It is on the Stapleton Airport page, where it should be. Thanks and have a good day.2601:581:8000:21B0:3C17:F16A:192D:9C8E (talk) 15:25, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. In Accidents and Incidents CVG Airport: 1/13/2019 Delta Air Lines Flight 1708 and Eppley Airfield Accidents and Incidents: 1/18/2019 Southwest Airlines Flight 1643 were not major, noteworthy incidents and were just minor common, sliding off the runway/taxiway incidents after landing and is common in the winter months in airports that experience snow and frigid cold. These two incidents should be deleted from CVG and Eppley Accidents and Incidents. Anyone agree? Have a good day.2601:581:8000:21B0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 13:21, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Can someone unlock the Standiford Field page please? I want to change the acreage of the airport, it is 1,200 acres, not 1,500 acres as on the page.I have proof, Airport Master Plan for SDF. Been incorrect for years. Thank you.2601:581:8000:21B0:DC7F:E952:7BF:180A (talk) 15:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I have an issue that I would like some feedback on.
A while back, I cleaned up and streamlined sections of the Dallas/Fort Worth page (particularly the terminal section) to remove excessive information, some of which violated policies such as WP:NOTEVERYTHING, WP:NOTTRAVEL, WP:NOR, etc. I have been noticing as of late that airport pages (in the history, terminal, infrastructure sections, etc) are often cluttered with excessive information put in by super aviation enthusiasts, and a lot of it either does not belong or could be condensed and summarized. However, a month after making the edits, this user came back and reverted it to its previous state because he claims I did not have “consensus” to make the changes. When I changed it back and tried explaining the reasoning, he simply reverted back and kept retorting I have no "consensus" and that the status quo should be left until a consensus can be reached. However, in this particular article, no one but this user has been objecting to the edits, and I have noticed users rarely comment on the talk page so "consensus" would be hard to reach. I have made similar edits to other airport articles (see Denver for example) and have had little to no pushback.
However, this user has been relentless, but they have yet to demonstrate the edits I made violate anything. It has escalated to the point where I reported him for edit warring and he retaliated, so the page has been locked until February 1st. Meanwhile, the user has posted a long-winded response on the talk page of the DFW Airport article breaking down my edits and why he disagrees with them, but most of it is red herrings and tired old rehashed arguments. Basically, he says because it has always been the way it was, it should stay that way. I don't feel like going through and responding to his points piece by piece, so I'd rather bring the discussion here.
I would like to request the users of this project review the situation here and make suggestions. Particularly, I would like to know...
At the end of the day, this isn't Wikivoyage, per WP:NOTEVERYTHING, we do not need every single little detail about a particular airport in its article, a summary is more than adequate. Arnoboro (talk) 02:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Can someone source the 2018 passenger totals for DAY that I added today. Go to their website, access Passenger Enplanement and Air Cargo Trends December 2018 (thru airport statistics) and source with that page (pdf) please. Thank you and have a good day.2601:581:8000:21B0:5564:B1C:BCD2:7D5D (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I am seeking an official policy on the publication of future destinations under the Airlines and Destinations section of the airport pages. There is a certain editor who insists on deleting future routes (even though they are properly referenced) citing that it constitutes Spam/Promotion, quoting WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTTRAVEL. He chooses only to apply this misguided policy to a handful of airport pages rendering them inconsistent with all other airport pages. This has resulted in edit warring and blocking of the defending editors. I would appreciate a definitive opinion on this. Thanks Bonner16 (talk) 22:20, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to reference section of article, go to reference#50, DAY 2017 Pax Stats. Please change 2017 to 2018. That is that year's data indicated in that reference, not 2017. Also two punctuation marks, need one. Should be "DAY 2017 Pax Stats". Thank you for your time.2601:581:8000:21B0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
How do you edit the reference section? When I select edit, no list shows up.2601:581:8000:21B0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 18:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Go to IAD airport page, Annual traffic:Traffic by calendar year, 2018 data.I see no final, set data for IAD airport on their website, it only goes up to November 2018, so I wonder where those numbers came from? Should 2018 data line be deleted till we get final data? Should be any day now. Thanks for your help.2601:581:8000:21B0:BDC5:CFC7:73A7:5B79 (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Please disregard. The editor did get a PDF from IAD disclosing final passenger and operations totals for 2018. I contacted the editor on how he got the data, and all is correct. All have a good day. Thank you.2601:581:8000:21B0:BDC5:CFC7:73A7:5B79 (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
A lot of work must have gone into List of airports in Poland with unpaved runways; still I suggest nominating it for deletion.
Jan olieslagers (talk) 08:15, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. Today I entered 2018 pax info for SAN in Annual traffic, however I can not align my entry with rest of table after many attempts, 2018 entry is out of line. Please put under 2017 so it all in line. Thank you and have a good day.2601:581:8000:21B0:3DCD:8B39:8FFE:CFF (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Was corrected. Please disregard. Thank you all and have a good day.2601:581:8000:21B0:44C3:911B:7B50:6537 (talk) 16:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
I am in argument about the title of our article about the aerodrome at Mirandela in Northern Portugal. It was created as Mirandela Airport which I understand to be common parlance in American English. Yet I hold that it should be called "Mirandela Airfield" rather, seeing that it does not meet our definition of an Airport, lacking the facilities to support commercial air transport. (The runway is hard, but shortish, and there is nothing like a terminal.) Much of the point is in the difference between American English and English (language), of course. I renamed the article but my action was promptly reverted.
On a secondary point, we currently have a redirect from Airfield to Aerodrome, which I would also like to question - but it is opening a can of worms, I am afraid. For me, aerodrome is the most generic term possible for any terrain where aeroplanes operate, including heliports, seaplane bases, perhaps even spaceports. Such is ICAO usage, at least, as I understand; and ICAO should have normative authority.
Opinions, please? Jan olieslagers (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I created the Mirandela Airport page. I have also created seven other redlinked Portuguese airport wiki pages, and created over 700 redlinked airport pages, mostly in Africa and Latin America. I have edited and verified data on more than 2000 different airports. Mirandela Airport was redlinked on the "List of airports in Portugal" page. I checked the sources that had it, and saw no reason to change the name. Great Circle Mapper calls it "Mirandela Airport." SkyVector calls it "Mirandela Airport." World Airport Codes calls it "Mirandela Airport.'" Aviation Safety Network calls it "Mirandela Airport." Airline service does not determine whether something is an airport. There are short grass and dirt strips that have commercial service. Nor do ground facilities determine whether an airline can go somewhere. Air Panama goes in and out of places with only a runway. Caravan and Twin Otter aircraft are in airline service, and could easily go to Mirandela. Renaming is not a trivial thing like an article edit. I have renamed only a handful of airports, and it's always been for serious problems like wrong town or two airports serving the same destination. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 23:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
There have long been questions about the veracity of Moneygall Aerodrome. Isn't it about time to mark this article for deletion? It seems obvious there is no airfield at the given location, nor has been for several years. At least, there is no reliable reference - the one reference given ( great circle mapper ) seems a one-person initiative, and little kept up. In fact, we might discuss one day what sources of aerodrome information we consider reliable, apart from the AIP. And even the AIP tends to lag behind reality, by a long way in some countries. Jan olieslagers (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Only two comments thus far, or rather one comment and one vote. Please visit and comment and/or vote. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moneygall Aerodrome Thanks in advance! Jan olieslagers (talk) 13:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
And just when I was wondering what step I needed to take next, the matter was concluded without any further action at all from my side. Thanks to all. Jan olieslagers (talk) 18:57, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
What is the decision with these are we using them or not? some pages have them and others don't. Personally, I disagree with them as they lead to less route specific references being used which means the tables become less reliable and more generalised which doesn't help as the tables and meant to be referenced better. It also goes against MOS:PUNCTREF where the references should follow the text, in this case the destination. Aviation999 (talk) 16:10, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't think we should be using a "ref column", if these General and often implied references are required, they should be beside the airline name, not in their own column. My reasoning can be found at the previous discussion here Garretka (talk) 11:49, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I regret I must ask for some support again, in this case regarding the Matsieng Air Strip article. I added a recent (and somewhat bizarre) accident, and while I was at it I removed the details of the navaids, as dicussed before. My modification was bluntly reverted without any explanation. Kindly take a look and consider appropriate action. Jan olieslagers (talk) 06:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
We're having another edit war on Sofia Airport over properly referenced future destinations. Considering these destinations co-exist peacefully on pretty much every other airport article, and this has been ongoing for a long time, I thought I'd post here to see to confirm the consensus that future routes are okay before trying dispute resolution. SportingFlyer T·C 18:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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In List of airports in West Virginia, the same airport, North Central West Virginia Airport (CKB), is listed twice in the "Commercial service" section, with two different cities served, two different roles (P-N vs. P-S), and two different numbers of enplanements. I don't know which is the correct information so I can't correct it myself. Can someone fix this? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:17, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
A couple of IPs started to jump the gun and went ahead and changed Beijing-Capital/Beijing-Nanyuan on China Southern, China Eastern, and China United Airlines to Beijing-Daxing' on the destinations table. One, it made it look like that those airline currently serve Daxing Airport. I had to revert a couple of those because the airport does not officially begin operations until 30 September 2019 but there are a few airports that still had the change made. Can someone have a look at it please? Thanks. 97.85.118.142 (talk) 06:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
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In the majority of airport articles, there is a destination table sorted by airline. In most of them, regional partners of major airlines are listed separately but in a few cases, this convention is not followed. In most airport articles, United Express or Delta Connection or Air Lingus Regional flights will be separated from United, Delta, or Aer Lingus respectively.
Airlines seem to stress that regional partner name when there's a crash. "No, not Continental but Colgan, they say".
Looking back in history, in early 2018, there was either one editor or a few editors who began to change many articles to eliminate regional partners of major airlines. This created a discussion and it was changed back. There was at least one editor who said "sorry" for making sudden changes to so many articles and agreed to let it go back to the way it was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_17#Potential_Major_Change_to_WP:Airports:_Removing_Regional_Carrier_Listings_from_Airport_Articles
Question for discussion: 1) Should it be standard practice to continue separate the regional partners of major airlines as is currently the case? Or is it ok to do it any sort of way, sometimes one way, sometimes another way within the same article/destination table? Aerostar3 (talk) 06:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I am going to make two suggestions for the airline and destination tables.
1. We need to remove all charter flights from the airline and destination tables, including ones operated by major airlines. Often times, these cannot be properly sourced and such, are useless.
2. We should change the policy to only allow nonstop flights to be listed on airline and destination tables (flights that have at least have one leg that is nonstop) going forward to avoid confusion about "direct" flights. I am noticing far too often destinations are being listed on tables that contain a stop in a hub, such as secondary airports in India and China being listed on major US airport tables despite containing a stop in Delhi, Beijing, etc.
Just my two cents for today. Arnoboro (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
The Luton Airport page claims that seasonal charter flights go to Chambery and Salzburg operated by TUI but the TUI website says that these flights don't exist, the page also claims that Freebird Airlines will start seasonal charter flights to Antalya in May but I can't find a reliable source for this (although the TUI website claims that they operate a flight there). Should these claims be removed? Thameslinkrail (talk) 21:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree we need to be getting rid of all charter flights, they are not regularly scheduled and so why are they listed? Why is it enforced on some pages and not others? Blissfield101 (talk) 01:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Apologies if this is not the right spot to post this. The FAA airport information link is broken in the {{US-airport-ga}} template. This issue was identified and a solution was provided back in November 2017 on the template's talk page, but the change has not been made. When I went to make the change I noticed the warning that said: "Please do not add links without discussion and consensus on the talk page. Undiscussed links will be removed.". So I am looking for some other editors to review and discuss to see if there is consensus to make the indicated change. — Archer1234 (talk) 23:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
IP address user 173.68.125.114 is adding dozens of destination maps to airport articles (particularly in the US) separating into domestic and international destinations. Another user has reverted some of them, and I have followed the lead in doing the same on a few, however before I commit to a mass undo, can anyone point to a particular guideline in this WikiProject that deals with destination maps on articles? Ajf773 (talk) 20:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I have removed a few of the maps from US airport articles recently after one popped up on my watchlist. A map was added to an article about an airport that has service by just one airline to just one city. I prefer the table format, as one can at least get a sense about the importance of a route by the number of airlines operating to that destination. Having a bunch of dots on a map doesn't really convey any useful information in my opinion, whereas a table does. YSSYguy (talk) 23:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Hello all, currently I'm in an argument with Peter1170 about the listing of certain seasonal destinations served from Bratislava Airport. This is what the destination template looks like now, the version supported by Peter1170:
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The problem is the destinations served by Air Cairo, Corendon Europe, and Cyprus Airways. Peter1170 claims that the sources state that the destinations will end operating after the respective dates and, since there's no source claiming that they're going to be served the next year as well, they need to be marked as to end until the new source claims that they'll be operated the next year too. In my opinion, this is not the correct way of listing destinations, because for now, there are no timetables of scheduled services published for the next seasons, not even for WS 19/20, so following this logic, we'd have to mark ALL destinations as to end, including the destinations served by Ryanair, Wizz Air, flydubai, Pobeda etc. In my opinion, until there's a source confirming that these routes will not be operated in the future (Peter's sources say nothing about the future seasons, they only talk about the 2019 summer season - and to conclude from this information that the destinations are going to be terminated is quite a stretch in my opinion), we must keep status quo - and current status quo is that the destinations are served seasonally, with no proof of their upcoming termination.Another problem is Heraklion served by Corendon - based on his source, Peter concludes that it's a scheduled destination (not a chartered service), the problem is, that Corendon doesn't offer the tickets for this route on their webpage, nor is the route listed in the summer 2019 schedule published by BTS ([9] - the only Heraklion route listed is served by Smartwings), therefore I dare to say the service operated by Corendon is chartered only and should be marked so.The next issue doesn't have to do anything with Peter this time. I Initially listed London-Luton as a separate destination served by Wizz Air UK, not by Wizz Air, since all the flights are operated with Wizz Air UK IATA code (W9), not Wizz Air IATA code (W6). Even at Bratislava Airports, flights to London-Luton are always announced as "operated by Wizz Air UK", not "operated by Wizz Air". Anonymous user 88.217.117.57 keeps reversing this edit. I personally don't understand what's wrong with my way, especially when you look as articles about airports served by easyJet (Geneva, Basel etc.), the destinations served by easyJet Switzerland are always separated from the destinations served by easyJet, in an article about Alicante, there's even a separate line for destinations served by easyJet Europe. Though all these routes are operated with easyJet IATA code (U2), not easyJet Switzerland IATA code (DS), or easyJet Europe code (EC). They're nonetheless listed as destinations served by various separate airlines. Meanwhile flights connecting Bratislava Airport and London-Luton are clearly operated as "W9" flights, Flightradar could be a good source ([10]). So I don't see why it shouldn't be listed separately, as the destination served by Wizz Air UK, not Wizz Air.The last issue I want to discuss is usage of a destination map. Back in December I added three destination maps, for European destinations, Asian destinations, and African destinations ([11]). Later it would be removed as violation of wiki rules. Though you can easily find articles actually using destination maps, such as Providence or Guangzhou. So now I'm confused and don't know whether the maps are allowed or these articles also violate the rules.Despite what my user page suggests, I'm not entirely new user, I've been familiar with Wikipedia and wiki culture for years (but I'm not really among the most experienced users either), and also I don't really intend to wage any edit wars, but Peter and I aren't really able to settle this dispute down, and also I'm confused by the latter examples I included. I don't know where else to go, hopefully I'm not asking on the wrong place, if so, please correct me and navigate me where to go, if this is the right place to ask, someone please give the final judgment so this dispute could end. Thank You all in advance, Ondrusj (talk) 14:14, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
While all or almost all airport articles have a destination table that lists destinations the airline and destination city, making a distinction of the major airline's name, such as United Airlines, Delta Airlines, or Aer Lingus, as well as the affiliated regional airline's name, such as United Express, Delta Connection, or Aer Lingus Regional, is it unacceptable to treat airlines differently within the same article, for example, listing the United Express and United Airlines destinations under United Airlines but listing Delta Connection destinations separately from Delta Airlines within the same airport article.Aerostar3 (talk) 06:24, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
There was a discussion in early 2018 about not lumping the affiliated regional airline with the main airline. This is a little different from this RFC, which asks about uniformity within an article. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_17#Potential_Major_Change_to_WP:Airports:_Removing_Regional_Carrier_Listings_from_Airport_Articles
This is an example of a destination table [12]
Aerostar3 (talk) 06:36, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I agree with Aerostar3's point of view. I vote we split regionals and mainline as the experiences, expectations, and levels of service are different from their mainline counterparts. I also suggest that we don't go ahead and combine mainline/regionals together until we can receive more input. Rafale9312 (talk) 23:05, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
While the shifts from regional to mainline and back maybe much, but surely there's a better solution than just combining everything and call it a day. Maybe only routes that switch back and forth between mainline and regional should just be listed under mainline, then destinations that are definitely 100% regional service only should be noted as such. Rafale9312 (talk) 23:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
The discussion up to this point has been somewhat disorganized and not conducive to determining whether there is consensus on a way forward here. This section is my attempt to formalize our discussion so that we can see where the community stands on this issue.
Proposal: Airport articles on Wikipedia will not differentiate between mainline and regional destinations of airlines in their destination tables.
In an attempt to have the policies clearly explained and to find a solution going forward, I have started a dispute resolution. I will suspend all further revisions pending the outcome of this. You can view the dispute resolution report here. Blissfield101 (talk) 21:37, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Question.
Should we really be listing Austin, Nashville and San Jose as Delta focus cities? There is only one source stating as such and it is only mentioned in passing. There is nothing from Delta directly stating as such. I also think the way they are using the term "focus city" here does not match the definition of focus city we have on here. Blissfield101 (talk) 23:29, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
A request to long-standing editors with experience in this project: I've searched the archives, but not had any success - has there been (I'm guessing there must have been) any discussion on the format of the airlines and destinations tables and why listing by airline, rather than destination, was chosen as the sorting category? Would greatly appreciate an editor pointing me to those discussions, thank you.--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:22, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. On January 28, in the facilities section, SDF size was changed from 1,500 acres to 1,200 acres, which is correct through FAA data (Reference#1,form 5010). This figure was reverted to 1,500 on 8 June at 5:12, reverted to 1,200 by me on 13 June at 13:31 then back to 1,500 acres on 14 June at 5:08 (check revision history). These editors are using the airport website as their source and in several cases (i.e. BWI, JFK, BOS to name a few) the websites doesn't match the FAA data, which I believe is 100% accurate. The lead paragraph says 1,200 acres, which was not reverted in either case. I can simply change it again, but will be reverted back. Is there any way the figure in the facilities section (as well as being protected in lead paragraph) be changed to 1,200 acres and be protected? Don't want to get into edit wars here. Thank you all for your help and have a good day.2601:581:8000:21B0:2CD2:1DE5:9108:A6B5 (talk) 12:18, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, has there been a guideline set for statistics on airports ? I've put a graph on a [[13]] and it has been reverted by an IP user "because one shouldn't put too much statistics as per WP:airports". There is however a general bug with the template {{Graph:Lines}} so I won't insist for Linate. But in the future, I'd like to know whether graphs would be allowed or not. Thx. --Bouzinac (talk) 17:07, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Could I request that interested editors comment on the inclusion or deletion of apparently well-cited content about VOR/DME beacons in airfield articles, please?
I have asked an IP editor (User:51.7.34.168) to cease deleting content from numerous airfield stub articles for a while, and to first discuss the matter at one sample article (see discussion at Talk:Rio Turbio Airport). As I know nothing about this topic (having simply arrived via 'Recent Changes'), it would be great to gain a consensus there on whether repeated deletion of this content from numerous articles is OK. Is it "trivial and pointless" as the IP editor suggests, or is it relevant to the articles?
Courtesy ping to Cptmrmcmillan who appears to have made many of these additions in the first place. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Previous discussion on this topic: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports/Archive 18#Navigation aids: noteworthy?, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports/Archive 18#Matsieng Air Strip. 51.7.34.168 (talk) 09:36, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
If you seriously want a consensus on VOR and NDB inclusion, visit Our Airports. It comprises hundreds or thousands of registered accounts of people who know airplanes and airports. It is one of my prime references, and every airport I've visited there has its nearest navaids listed, and with more detail than I have used. The only consensus we generate here is from a handful of editors who've noticed we're having this discussion. The navaid data on these airports is is valid, verified, and pertinent to the airport. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 23:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
In previous discussions about navigational aids, the consensus was not to include details of them, but User:Cptmrmcmillan just ignored that and put them in anyway. This user has just done exactly the same thing again with about 50 articles that I had edited recently: [16]. They have put back
In several cases, they have also removed additional text that I had added to the article, such as at [17] where I had added details of a crash previously only hinted at.
I think that their repeated addition of trivia and complete disregard for consensus is highly disruptive. Perhaps someone else might revert their disruptive series of edits. If not, I will do so later today. 51.7.229.207 (talk) 08:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
I have blocked the IP as a sock of the community-banned Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP. Favonian (talk) 11:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately, a "reference" to OpenStreetMap has again been added to Kasane Airport - should I revert or report Disruptive Editing? It has been repeatedly explained and agreed that this is inappropriate, the coordinates already pointing to (among others) the same information. Jan olieslagers (talk) 08:29, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
You were all dragged into this discussion by a professional troll, WP:BKFIP, and now we have a consensus of maybe half a dozen editors who wish to set editing policy for 15,000 airport pages. And excuse me for changing the discussion title. Click on the WP link and read all the way to the bottom. Arrrgh. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 16:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to open this discussion again because it was overlooked last time.
Should we be listing Austin, Nashville and San Jose as Delta focus cities (in the same matter we do for Cincinnati and Raleigh/Durham) even though they have little to no point to point service, or should we wait? They do not currently meet the definition of a focus city as we have traditionally defined it here, but another user and I have been discussing the matter and we'd like some expert advice. I personally think we should hold off listing them until some actual point to point flying materializes, but I would like to hear some longtime contributors opinions on the subject. Blissfield101 (talk) 00:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
An airline defining its "Focus Cities" is the last rationale we should be using to add such detail which isn't really encyclopaedic content anyway. What we absolutely need is strong sensible secondary references as per WP:SECONDARY to support each and every detail added to Wikipedia and this includes when adding Focus Cities - what ever they really are!. The biggest weakness in many airport articles is that such references are too difficult or too ephemeral to be really useful or sensibly used. Andrewgprout (talk) 07:17, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
@Resplendent: If it is not our job to define it or it cannot be defined, then it is probably not encyclopedic content. Therefore, we should only go with hubs/operating bases. Blissfield101 (talk) 01:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
A while ago I noticed that one problematic user had made caused serial damage to articles about airports, by not being at all familiar with basic guidelines, and much worse than that, being unable to comprehend the guidelines when they were explained. They ignored consensus established here; indeed they explicitly stated that they thought consensus to change Wikipedia articles could be derived from external websites. The user does not speak English natively nor even competently, and their problematic editing has been commented upon by me and several others. They added the following to hundreds of articles:
A classic example of their incompetent editing can be found in this edit, which covered all these failings except for adding a guideline-violating external link; they had done that in an earlier edit.
I took the time to fix hundreds of articles in which their shoddy work was present. Those articles were substantially better thanks to my efforts. In a remarkable turn of events, though, an administrator decided to reject all of those improvements in spite of the unambiguous guidelines and policies supporting them, and even went so far as to block me for reinstating them. The incompetent editor and the administrator who inexplicably supported him have caused hundreds of articles to look amateurish at best and simply embarrassing to Wikipedia at worst.
Now, the user whose shoddy work is the issue appears to have left Wikipedia, at least temporarily; their last edit was more than a month ago. So, I would like to encourage any editors who care about article quality to go through the user's contributions and restore the fixes to the above issues. You can see their spree of reverts before they left here: [18]. There are about 170 of them. If three or four users do this, it could be done in perhaps half an hour, and articles which have been embarrassingly bad for months will not stain the reputation of Wikipedia any longer. 51.7.17.134 (talk) 16:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello and good day. In the infobox of DCA there is no runway information (was there previously) along with some punctuation errors at bottom of infobox about the terminal building. Needs to be revamped to previous style and information given. Thank you and have a good day.2601:581:8000:21B0:7848:A7F5:CA49:C374 (talk) 00:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I am currently working an engineering position at a major US airline. As a result I have up close access to numerous (B777-200, B767-300/400, B757-200/300, B737-700/800, B717, A350-900, A330-200/300/900, A319/20/21, MD88, MD90, A220) aircraft including flight decks, interiors, engines, and flight systems. I also have access to a significant repair facility and behind the scenes access to ATL itself. My question is are there any specific pictures of the above aircraft/aircraft systems or ATL itself that are needed/could enhance articles or could greatly improve on existing article images? I have already uploaded some images myself and continue to take pictures as I see fit, but I want to make sure I don't miss out on anything and use this position to help out with image gathering as much as I can.
I know this isn't Commons, but this has a much greater visibility for input. Feel free to redirect me or repost this somewhere else if you think it would be more beneficial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blervis (talk • contribs) 01:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Is there a valid reason why 2 users keep removing future destinations and only do it on certain pages and only delete certain routes? Air7777 (talk) 20:00, 27 August 2019 (UTC)