Mason, it has been a pleasure to work with you over this past year. Your dedication maintaining the plethora of category header templates, your responsiveness to requests to implement various discussions (regardless of how much work it might take to do them!), and your creativity in coming up with ways to repurpose categories are noticed and appreciated :) Thank you for everything this year, and here's to another productive year improving what could reasonably be called humanity's greatest collection of knowledge – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Wishing all the best to you and yours in 2025, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222032100","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20241222032100-Happy_holidays!","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20241222033500-HouseBlaster-20241222032100"],"displayName":"House"}}-->
That is so thoughtful of you! Thank you so much for the kind words and appreciation!!!!! SMasonGarrison03:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222033500","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20241222033500-HouseBlaster-20241222032100","replies":["c-HouseBlaster-20241222034700-Smasongarrison-20241222033500"]}}-->
Of course, Mason :) Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222034700","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20241222034700-Smasongarrison-20241222033500","replies":[],"displayName":"House"}}-->
Diego Dublé Urrutia in the article the only ambassador level posting it mentions is Ecuador. He is also in the Chilean Ambassadors to Cuba Category. The article does not even mention that he was ever in Cuba. It does say he had 17 diplomatic postings, but it seems most were not as ambassador. He is the only article in Ambassadors of Chile to Cuba, so the category should be deleted as having no appropriate contents.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228005000","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20241228005000-Diego_Dubl\u00e9_Urrutia","replies":[],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
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This category has 1 sub-cat which in turn has 1 article. I think we should at least upmerge the sub-cat to Ambassadors of Abkazia and Ambassadors to Russia. However he was also a foreign minister for Abkazia. He is the only person in all of Abkazian diplomats not just in the Foreign Minister cat. I am tempted to say we should just upmerge him to Ambassadors to Russia, and delete Ambassadors if Abkazia fully, since he will still be in the Foreign ministers cat, but that might be going too far. There is clearly no reason to have a category and a sub-category to hold just 1 article altogether.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228152300","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20241228152300-Ambassadors_of_Abkazia","replies":[],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
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Massimo Baistrocchi is in 5 or 6 categories for being an ambassador. All except one only have him, and the 1 with someone else has 2 people. I think upmerging to Ambassadors of Italy and the respective Ambassadors to categories would greatly aid navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228212900","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20241228212900-Massimo_Baistrocchi","replies":[],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
At Wikipedia:Wikiproject categories I posted some questions regarding the name and scope of Category:Consuls you may want to comment on.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229173500","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20241229173500-Consuls","replies":[],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
Hi there. I noticed you reverted some of my edits and thought it would be best to leave a message here before I started addressing them. For the sake of clarity, I'll just go point-by-point so I can discuss them with you individually.
With regards to Robert Livingston the Elder, the article notes he was born in Scotland before coming to New York, and was only recorded engaging in the slave trade in 1690. As Livingston was neither born in colonial New York nor engaged in the slave trade (supposedly) past the year 1699, I was under the impression that the cats "Category:Merchants from colonial New York" and "Category:18th-century British slave traders" were not applicable. Perhaps they are meant to be included anyway? I will freely admit to being less familiar with cats than you are, so any explanation you can provide me will be helpful for the future.
With regards to John Thurber, again, since the article doesn't provide evidence for his slave-trading activities past 1699 I was under the impression that the "Category:18th-century slave traders" was not applicable. Any explanation here again will be greatly appreciated.
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I literally made posts about this on your talk page explaining the problem I had. Including asking that you use edit summaries. For the record,[1] "Seriously, none of your recent edits include a substantive edit summary. Please include something substantive because you're making pretty sizable changes without any explanation. I've made several reverts because it's not clear why the change is being made." SMasonGarrison14:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230141800","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20241230141800-DonBeroni-20241230105500","replies":[]}}-->
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Category:Permanent Representatives of Sweden to NATO only has 1 possibly entry at present. It is not a position that is default notable. I have no idea when the current holder will be replaced, but it will be years until we could even have 3 articles. I think upmerging is probably the best move at present since this category makes navigation between articles harder.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230172900","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20241230172900-Category:Permanent_Representatives_of_Sweden_to_NATO","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20241230173200-Johnpacklambert-20241230172900"],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
Hmmm. I'm not sure that Category:Permanent Representatives of FOO to NATO isn't notable. But I get your point about navigation being an issue. SMasonGarrison17:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230173200","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20241230173200-Johnpacklambert-20241230172900","replies":["c-Johnpacklambert-20250102150300-Smasongarrison-20241230173200"]}}-->
If we have 5 in a category than it makes sense to have the category. Just like if we have 5 people who fit in Ambassadors of Sweden to Nigeria, Ambassadors of Sweden to Brazil, etc. than we can have a category. However, the decision is that no ambassadors are default notable. Ambassadors (and permanent representatives, and high commissioners) only get articles if we have enough reliable sources to justify an article. Now in practice there may be some ambassadorial level positions that most of the time are filled by people who are notable. However unlike foriegn ministers/secreateries of state/another 5 or more various titles used for the head of relations on the part of one country with all other countries, who are notable by virtue of holding the office, the Ambassador of the United States to Palau or the Ambassador of the Federated States of Micronesia to Madagascar are not notable just for holding that office, we need substantial coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and secondary to justify an article, not just enough sourcing to confirm they held the position, which is what we need for some defualt notable positions. However in the case of the Permanent Representative of Sweden to NATO this is only 1 person who has ever held that position. Its potential growth above 1 person is technically crystal ball prediction, but a highly likely one. However even when it gets to 2 people, which it will probably do in not too many years, it will still not be large enough to aid navigation but will still be a small category that hinders navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102150300","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20250102150300-Smasongarrison-20241230173200","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250102234900-Johnpacklambert-20250102150300"],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
This sounds a lot like smallcat. SMasonGarrison23:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102234900","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250102234900-Johnpacklambert-20250102150300","replies":[]}}-->
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The Ambassadors to Yugoslavia category has 33 sub-categories with only 1 or 2 articles. With Yugoslavia not having existed for well over 20 years it seems unlikely we will see much expansion of the category soon. I think upmerging all these categories would aid navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106044400","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20250106044400-Ambassadors_to_Yugoslavia","replies":[],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
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This category has 1 sub-cat with 4 articles and all other sub-categories have fewer articles. I think it would greatly aid navigation if the whole structure was upmerged to the parent Ambassadors of Honduras and to other parents for the various sub-cats.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106185000","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20250106185000-Ambassadors_of_Honduras","replies":[],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
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Please help me understand--- What is the point of keeping this category if you will nominate for deletion all of the child categories under it? I don't understand this, if the parent category still exists, then others will continue to make child categories under it.
There is an entire literature of intersectionality between suicide and occupation. But if this does not matter, then why keep this parent category for "Navigational purposes"?
In terms of sports, there are books written about the correlation. Cricket for example: https://chesterrep.openrepository.com/handle/10034/315057 but you deleted the category. Why is it up to a certain very narrow group of Wikipedians to decide what is worthwhile, especially when someone has put care into developing the category?
I am not as advanced on Wikipedia and am unable to take part in the conversations with the correct formatting and syntax as others that are participating here for 10+ years. Very few people take part in these conversations especially during the holiday period. It appears that there is a bias towards keeping things in the past because of certain rules made in the past and not evolving the site.
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>There is an entire literature of intersectionality between suicide and occupation.
Yes, but that's not the issue being discussed. Each intersection needs to be examined on its own. Not every occupation has a meaningful intersection.
>But if this does not matter, then why keep this parent category for "Navigational purposes"?
So here's how I see it. The individual categories currently exist, so we might as well keep them organized. Removing the parent category doesn't do anything to help advance the case that each specific occupation's intersection is defining. It merely makes it more difficult to work in the category. SMasonGarrison23:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106231900","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250106231900-Nayyn-20250106213100","replies":[]}}-->
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This category consists of Else Nizigama Ntamagiro. However Ntamagiro was never Ambassador to Canada. She was a lower level diplomat in Canada, not holding the position of Ambassador. So I believe we should delete this category as not functionally having any contents.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250111145100","author":"Johnpacklambert","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnpacklambert-20250111145100-Ambassadors_of_Burundi_to_Canada","replies":[],"displayName":"John Pack Lambert"}}-->
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Don't revert to put stuff I've removed back on my talk page. In fact, kindly do not post on my user talk page again. MrOllie (talk) 04:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250119045800","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250119045800-Posting_on_my_user_talk_page","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250119050400-MrOllie-20250119045800"]}}-->
Reverting made it challenging to add a followup when you didn't engage with the issue. I'll do my best to not post there again. [2]SMasonGarrison05:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250119050400","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250119050400-MrOllie-20250119045800","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Mason! I was wondering if you would like the WP:PAGEMOVER permission?
If you already know what that does, you can skip this paragraph; if not; read on! The main thing the perm would let you do is process your own WP:C2E requests and move categories listed at WP:CFDWM. You can read the full list of abilities at Wikipedia:Page mover#Flags granted. Besides moving category pages, you would be able to supress redirects when moving any type of page; this ability is goverened by Wikipedia:Page mover#Redirect suppression criteria (which is a lot more strict than leaving {{category redirect}}s; redirects need to meet a WP:CSD to be surpressed and when in doubt, do not supress).
Let me know, and I'd be happy to grant it. You clearly have a good use case and I fully trust you to be careful when using it in areas outside your expertise :) Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 07:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250123073900","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20250123073900-Page_mover?","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250124024400-HouseBlaster-20250123073900"],"displayName":"House"}}-->
Sure! Now that you bring it up... that does sound like a good permission that I'd be able to help the project with. I'll definitely do my homework before dabbling outside of categorization. Thanks for thinking of me and your kind words!!! SMasonGarrison02:44, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124024400","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250124024400-HouseBlaster-20250123073900","replies":["c-HouseBlaster-20250124194600-Smasongarrison-20250124024400"]}}-->
Granted :) In lieu of starting a new section with the template message, I'll point you to {{Page mover granted}} which contains the normal instructions. And, as always, my talk page is wide open. Another use case which I forgot to mention is it lets you move subpages along with the parent page, so you can rename a template, its documentation, its sandbox, its testcases, and its /core in a single action. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:46, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124194600","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20250124194600-Smasongarrison-20250124024400","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250124215500-HouseBlaster-20250124194600"],"displayName":"House"}}-->
Thanks!!!!!!! SMasonGarrison21:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124215500","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250124215500-HouseBlaster-20250124194600","replies":["c-HouseBlaster-20250124223800-Smasongarrison-20250124215500"]}}-->
You are quite welcome! Thank you for everything you do for WP :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124223800","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20250124223800-Smasongarrison-20250124215500","replies":[],"displayName":"House"}}-->
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