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ikidata weekly summary #443

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events
  • Past: Wikidata Workshop 2020 presentations YouTube playlist
  • Upcoming: live SPARQL queries on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, November 24 at 18:00 CET
  • Upcoming: rC3, the remote version of the Chaos Communication Congress, on December 27-30. Like in previous years, the WikipakaWG will host sessions and workshops related to Wikidata and other Wikimedia projects. The call for participation is open until November 30th.
  • Upcoming: Ghana Histo Cita-thon. Friday 27th November 2020. 9am to 2pm UTC.
  • Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #40, November 29

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • Wikidata, the collaborative database for machines and humans. Blogpost by Àlex Hinojo (in Catalan)
  • 24 hours of open data - The meetup for the eighth Wikidata birthday, Blogpost by Lea Lacroix (in German)
  • The future of the Riksdag's data in Wikidata. Blogpost by Jan Ainali (in Swedish)
  • WikiPathways: connecting communities: research article outlining, among other things, how Wikidata is used and integrated
  • Using SPARQL to combine Wikidata and OSM triples
  • ANN: A platform to annotate text with Wikidata IDs (report) "Report of the work done by the Ann team at the eLife Sprint 2020. It describes the effort pursued towards a system for universal annotation of biomedical articles using the collaborative knowledge graph of Wikidata".
  • TU Dresden lecture on Knowledge Graphs (replay)
    • Wikidata introduction - YouTube
    • Content model of Wikidata - YouTube
    • How the content of Wikidata can be represented in RDF - YouTube

• Tool of the week
  • EntityShape.js is a script that allows you to check an Item against an EntitySchema. On the Item page, it will display various information about the Item, like the properties that should be present on the Item.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • The proposals phase of the Community Wishlist Survey 2021 is open until November 30th. You can submit wishes in various categories, like Wikidata.
  • SMWCon 2020 virtual conference is from 24 to 26 November 2020. Do not forget to register at Hopin!
  • The note-taking app Kanopi got first pieces of Wikidata integration.
  • The Listeria Evolution: Listeria has got an update
  • Wikimedia Deutschland has two open positions around the Wikidata development team; Full Stack Developer and Partner Relationship Manager

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: epithet, attraction to, hairstyle, poverty incidence
    • External identifiers: IMMuB artist ID, IMMuB album ID, WordNet 3.1 Synset ID, IAFD film distributor ID, Yandex Zen ID, NCAA school code, Church of Jesus Christ pioneer ID, Pitchfork artist ID, Monuments de mémoire ID, Memorial Book for the Victims of National Socialism ID, Xfinity Stream ID, Sports-Reference.com college basketball school ID, edition humboldt digital ID, GitLab username, AAA attraction ID, Swiss-Gym Male ID, Swiss-Gym Female ID, Museum Day ID, PAN member, Union Catalog of Armenian Libraries authority ID, MetaSat ID, Visages du diocèse d'Autun ID, SPOnG game ID, Prêtres du diocèse de Quimper ID, LibraryThing venue ID, Union des artistes ID, Restaurant Guru Restaurant ID, PromoDj ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: vénéré à, Number of blood donors, People reached, number of awards, has positive marker, ID pattern, lunar coordinates, adjacent to, date posted, ITRANS, National Library at Kolkata romanization, complementary property, MTRCB rating, DBLP conference ID, fait l'objet d'une vénération à
    • External identifiers: DriveThruComics numeric publisher identifier, Hyperion Records person ID, Arken, AAA hotel ID, AAA restaurant ID, AAA campground ID, AstroGen ID, Reliwiki page ID, Sonneveld-index, SIL ID, AniDB Episode ID, Encyclopedia of the History of Ukraine ID, Lumni ID, Archives at Yale Names ID
  • Query examples:
    • Aberdeen recycling centers and recycling points (Source)
    • Map of Semantic Web in Libraries 2020 participant's institutions (federated query) (Source)
    • Women who play chess and have a Wikipedia article in Spanish (They are 132 while men have 899 entries) (Source)
    • Timeline of Dietary Advocates (Source)
    • Philosophers born between 0 and 500 grouped by the decade where they lived (Source)
    • Video games from ?country (template) (Source)

• Development
  • Query Builder: We're making it possible to switch between querying for specific values (e.g. all Items with a specific post code) or any value (all Items with a post code statement regardless of which one it is)
  • Correcting the behaviour of what automatically happens on Wikidata when a page is moved on Wikipedia and co to an excluded namespace with the "suppress redirect" option (phab:T261275)
  • Making language fallback indicators not show up for language variant fallbacks in a few more places (phab:T267502)
  • Adding html language attributes for statements linking to Forms and Senses (phab:T267023)
  • Working on language and lexical category fields turning red on unfocus even though no changes are made after a change in ooui (phab:T266936)
  • Finished building the 1.35 versions of the Wikibase base and bundle docker images and published to dockerhub (phab:T264538)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

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Short description code

Hi Mike, I pinged you a couple of times on my talk page a while back, but suspect you may not have seen them. Was wonding if you're still free to work on the final couple of features of the code for the SD bot. MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@MichaelMaggs: Sorry, I saw them, but I haven't found the time/motivation to work more on this code since. I'll try to get back to it soon. In the meantime I've been migrating Pi bot to a new Raspberry Pi (thanks WMUK), and it is now auto-copying descriptions here to Wikidata twice a week where there's not one on Wikidata and it doesn't match an exclusion list. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Good news. Allow me to help with your motivation! MichaelMaggs (talk) 21:54, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Doing some tests with the first few pages in Category:English composers, and quite a few dates come out as "(d. )" Seems to happen when the birth date is not definite, for example (ca. 1599 – 1657) as with John Hilton the younger. Others include William Babell, Albertus Bryne, Thomas Chilcot and Robert Dowland. It would be nice if this could export as "(c.1599–1657)". MichaelMaggs (talk) 10:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

To make it official that I'm allowed to re-use your code, could you specify the licence (or CC0) in the comments for the two scripts? Many thanks MichaelMaggs (talk) 10:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@MichaelMaggs: OK, a code upgrade is now on bitbucket. I've specified GPL as the license, although I'm happy to change to another one if you want - I wasn't sure how suitable CC-0 is for code. I've revised the birth/death date code. It can now handle articles that are included in categories like Category:1590s births, so for John Hilton the younger it returns "(1590s–1657)". I've dropped "b." and "d." in favour of "–" before or after the year as appropriate, since @Jura1: was objecting to them on Wikidata (also the dashes for some reason, I've removed those from the doublecheck list). I've also split the shortdesc generator into a new function, and added some code to the run script to test individual articles. I've also given up on the idea of simultaneously adding these to Wikidata: pi bot's script that copies short descriptions from articles to items seems to work OK, so we can rely on that and simplify things here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I really appreciate that. A mistake on my part in splitting the conversation between two talk pages perhaps meant the three enhancements I'm really hoping for are rather non-obviously hidden over here. To belatedly keep things together, I'll copy them again below:

1. A way of skipping over pages that don't comply with some trial criteria (#2 here), and of writing pages that fail to a separate staging file for manual review - the aim being to push down the error rate by skipping over pages where the first line of the lead doesn't correspond to the selected category. Footballers are nearly always only footballers, and fall into a well-defined cat, but others (laywers, artists, politicians) may be in multiple categories corresponding to multiple occupations, and I wouldn't want to assume that the chosen cat is the main one without some ability to cross-check. I realise this may require edits to shortdesc_functions each time, but think it would be worth it. Or maybe shortdesc_run could pass across some user-defined regex.
2. Following on from that, an ability to check that a specified infobox is the first (or the only) one on the page (eg checked via Module:Is infobox in lead)
3. If possible some more information written to the staging files, to help check for errors/oddities: (1) the article name, (2) the proposed SD, (3) any corresponding Wikidata description [not for use - just for sanity-checking], and (4) the first 80 characters (or the first sentence) of the lead.

Let me know if I'm asking too much. MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:53, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@MichaelMaggs: OK, there's a new version on bitbucket. For (1) I've added 'required_words' and 'excluded_words' arrays, add words to these arrays and the first sentence of the article will be checked against them accordingly. Regexes would also be possible, but I'm not sure how best to incorporate that in the code, you could always add them to shortdesc_generator manually when needed (copy-paste the 'required' or 'excluded' examples and add the regex check in place of the 'in' check). The code prints out the reasons for skipping over articles, so you could just copy that into a text document and search for cases that were flagged, I'm not sure it needs to write out a separate file. For (2), I've added 'only_one_infobox', set that to 'True' to skip cases which have two templates with 'infobox' in the name (it only works if 'require_infobox' is also True). With (3), I've expanded the output as requested. Note that it's a bit tricky to extract the first sentence of an article, so if you find cases where that's not working please point them out to me and I can iterate on the code.

I'm sure there are more things we will need to do to make the code perfect, but at this point it would be good to know if the wider community is happy with this approach or not, rather than continuing to work on something that is then rejected. If the community does like it, then of course I'm happy to continue making further changes. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks once more. I'll run some trials over the next few days, and try to put up a specific proposal to seek consensus by the end of next week. MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #444

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events
  • Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: We will have several speakers joining us to discuss their projects in lightning talks, 1 December. Agenda
  • Upcoming: WMF search platform team office hour, Wednesday, December 2nd, 2020. 16:00-17:00 GMT / 08:00-09:00 PST / 11:00-12:00 EST / 17:00-18:00 CET. Etherpad, Google Meet. You can come and chat about the Wikidata & Commons Query Service.
  • Online edition of the Wikimedia Coolest Tool Award ceremony, on Friday, December 11th at 17:00 UTC.
  • Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #41, December 6

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • Linking OpenStreetMap with knowledge graphs — Link discovery for schema-agnostic volunteered geographic information (the KGs referred to are Wikidata & DBPedia)
  • "Women’s representation and voice in media coverage of the coronavirus crisis": an analysis linking news articles to information on Wikipedia and Wikidata.
  • Wikidata Bib v0, prototype for personalized analytics of scientific readings using Wikidata.
  • Video: Strategies for Assembling the Biodiversity Knowledge Graph by Roderic Page
  • Video: Semantic Web in Libraries 2020 (replay)
    • ORCID for Wikidata: A workflow for matching author and publication items in Wikidata
    • id.loc.gov and Wikidata, one year later

• Tool of the week
  • osm2kg is a tool to facilitate matching Wikidata entries to OSM nodes.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • The second edition of the Coolest Tool Award will happen online on Friday 11 December 2020 at 17:00 UTC The awarded tools will be showcased in a virtual event, with broadcasted video and chat channels for socializing.
  • The University of Nevada has an open position around Wikidata; Digital Collections Wikimedian-in-Residence
  • Round 2 of the consultation on using Wikidata for curriculum digitization begun on November 24^th, and will end on December 7^th. You can participate by sharing your ideas in this response form (Google forms)
  • Wiki Movimento Brasil will support WikidataCon 2021
  • Wikidata descriptions changes will be included more often in Recent Changes and Watchlist on Wikimedia wikis

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: facial hair, identity element, mathematical inverse, has operator, has marker, Hong Kong film rating, indexed in bibliographic review, number of taxpayers, ITRANS, complementary property, number of points/goals attempted, Water area, MTRCB rating, power consumption index, heating energy consumption index
    • External identifiers: Absolute Games person ID, FIS grass skier ID, FISG athlete ID, Kinorium movie ID, CONOR.AL ID, CONOR.BG ID, CONOR.KS ID, CONOR.SR ID, Musica Brasilis ID, Salzburgwiki ID, IEV number, British Phonographic Industry ID, CRGPG ID, Drizly product ID, Canada Business Number, FINA Wiki ID, Foodlocate restaurant ID, Qobuz label ID, AAA campground ID, AAA hotel ID, AAA restaurant ID, Hyperion Records person ID, Southwest Harbor Public Library item ID, DriveThruComics numeric publisher identifier, Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada ID, HLTV player ID, Kinorium person ID, AstroGen ID, BBC sound effects asset ID, Namuwiki ID, CIP data sheet, AniDB episode ID, edition humboldt digital Flora ID, Sistema de Información Legislativa ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: ELSPA rating, cites work string, artistic director, MDJF ID, Coordinates of depicted place, first family name in Portuguese name, propriétés à éviter, Commons category for the view from the item, Filmstriben film-ID, Mailing List, provides HTML microdata, provides JSON-LD data
    • External identifiers: vets.cz ID, Parler ID, HAL Journal id, Fitzwilliam Museum ID, National Gallery of Australia ID, U.S. Masters Swimming ID, Gab ID, Museo del Prado ID, National Gallery of Ireland ID, Auckland Art Gallery ID, Artfacts ID, Order of Canada ID, SKD ID, DIA ID, ZOBODAT, AppGallery app ID, Czech Gymnastics athlete ID, Students of Prague Universities ID, Amsterdam Museum ID, theses.cz ID, curid
  • Query examples:
    • Politicians with an account at GitHub, CPAN, or Wikimedia (Source)
    • Percentage of deaths caused by tuberculosis by decade (Source)
    • Number of programming languages and their paradigms (Source)
    • Museums within 2 miles of MoMA (federated query) (Source)
    • Largest cities of the world ordered by population (Source)
    • Italian politicians who served as a minister in more than one cabinet since 1990 (Source)
    • People born after 1800 whose “name in native language” is in Latin (Source)
    • UK statues and whether they are of nobles and/or women (Source)
    • Location of German cities with a population count greater than 50.000 (Source)
    • Map of medicines used (green) to fight infectious diseases (orange) (Source)
  • Schema examples: museum

• Development
  • Development on the Query Builder is continuing. You can follow along at https://query-builder-test.toolforge.org
  • Fixed an issue where language fallback indicators were still shown when falling back from a variant of the language (phab:T267502)
  • Fixed an issue on Lexeme pages where language and lexical category fields turn red on unfocus even though no changes were made (phab:T266936)
  • Working on improving what happens to sitelinks when an article is moved to a unsupported namespace (phab:T261275))
  • Investigating a significant increase in skipped Item IDs (phab:T268625)
  • Addressing the feedback for the draft of the REST API spec

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

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Observatory

Hi - I'm at work now and thus can't do it myself, but the entire 118-acre observatory is the NRHP entry, not just the telescope. Would you move the NRHP infobox back? ɱ (talk) 20:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ɱ: Done. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Research and discoveries chapter remain in the article about the Observatory? HLFan (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@HLFan: It could go either way, they were research done by the telescope at the observatory... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #445

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Comment on a proposal for proposed deletion system

• Events
  • Upcoming: Wikidata Lab XXVI: Structured citations module on Wikipedia, presented in English by Mike Peel (Wiki Movimento Brasil). The event is supported by a WikiCite e-scholarship. December 8th 17:00 UTC (14:00 BRT), via YouTube.
  • Upcoming: live SPARQL queries on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, December 8 at 18:00 CET
  • Upcoming: Wikimedia 2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony, December 11th at 17:00 GMT (details)
  • Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #42, December 13

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • A massive new effort to name millions sold into bondage during the transatlantic slave trade. The Washington Post writes about enslaved.org, a Wikibase instance run at Michigan State University, that collects and creates Linked Open Data about the transatlantic slave trade. (Source)
  • Video: Introduction to Wikidata by and with Alicia Fagerving from Wikipedia Day 2020
  • Video: How to use Wikidata Mix'n'match tool - YouTube
  • Video: Semantic Web in Libraries 2020 (replay)
    • Linking K10plus library union catalog with Wikidata
    • Building Wikidata One Branch of Knowledge at a Time

• Tool of the week
  • User:Zvpunry/EntitySchemaHighlighter.js user script highlights the entities in the content of a Schema and shows information when hovering the link. (2020-12-07)

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • We now have a central repository for wikibase-cli templates, with the aim to document best practices, offer general purpose request/create/edit templates, but also offer more niche templates as examples of what's possible: contributions and template requests welcome!

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: identity element, mathematical inverse, has operator, has marker, Hong Kong film rating, indexed in bibliographic review, number of taxpayers, ITRANS, complementary property, number of points/goals attempted, water area, MTRCB rating, power consumption index, heating energy consumption index, road name formatter, ELSPA rating, kunya, religion or world view
    • External identifiers: FINA Wiki ID, Foodlocate restaurant ID, Qobuz label ID, AAA campground ID, AAA hotel ID, AAA restaurant ID, Hyperion Records person ID, Southwest Harbor Public Library item ID, DriveThruComics numeric publisher identifier, Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada ID, HLTV player ID, Kinorium person ID, AstroGen ID, BBC sound effects asset ID, Namuwiki ID, CIP data sheet, AniDB episode ID, edition humboldt digital Flora ID, Sistema de Información Legislativa ID, BG EIK, All the Tropes identifier, Concise Literary Encyclopedia ID, Reliwiki page ID, Arken ID, HuijiWiki Wiki ID, Archives at Yale names ID, HAL journal id, Parler username, Museo del Prado ID, National Gallery of Ireland ID, Auckland Art Gallery artwork ID, CINE21 film ID, National Gallery of Australia ID, Fitzwilliam Museum ID, Sonneveld-index, Kicker.de player ID (actual scheme), NSSDCA ID, ZOBODAT person ID, ZOBODAT taxon ID, DIA ID, SKD ID, Max Movie film ID, Gab username, Movist film ID, KOBIS ID, Amsterdam Museum ID, SMB-digital ID, State Catalogue of the Museum Fund of Russia artwork ID, CQVIP article ID, DBLP conference ID, Filmstriben film-ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: cites work string, artistic director, MDJF ID, Coordinates of depicted place, first family name in Portuguese name, propriétés à éviter, Commons category for the view from the item, Mailing List, curid, provides HTML microdata, provides JSON-LD data, archaeological site of, does not have cause, conductor for, reason for normal rank, value is one of, tribunsdelaplebe.fr ID, lineage marker, has surface, DBLP journal id
    • External identifiers: U.S. Masters Swimming ID, Artfacts ID, Order of Canada ID, AppGallery app ID, Czech Gymnastics athlete ID, Students of Prague Universities ID, theses.cz ID, Encyklopedie mostů v Čechách, na Moravě a ve Slezsku ID, CollEx-Persée ID, The Galileo Project ID, Dizionario degli artisti ID, Museo Galileo biography ID, Museo Galileo authority ID, Biblioteca Marciana owner ID, Chinese Painting Database ID, National Galleries of Scotland ID, Bavarian State Painting Collections ID, Chapels of southern Bohemia ID, Kunsthistorisches Museum ID, Max-Movie-Personen-ID, CINE21 person ID, Georgia Museum of Art ID, Basic Formal Ontology ID, Fichier des décès ID
  • Query examples:
    • Russian cuisine
    • Belgian artists that rise to the public domain in 2021 (Source)
    • Asian food made from noodles (Source)
    • Bubble diagram by wiki page numbers in each language on objects kept at the Bardo National Museum (note: Commons is counted as English) (Source)
    • Amusement parks around the world (Source)
  • Schema examples: Video game

• Development
  • Simple Query Builder development continues. We worked on combining different query conditions as well as internationalisation.
  • Making the precision translatable in geocoordinate and date inputs (phab:T269102)
  • Changes to descriptions in a specific language now show up on watchlist and recent changes on the Wikipedia and co for that language (phab:T191831)
  • Finished working on the problem of incorrectly-escaped label being included in a link to Special:NewItem if there are no search results (phab:T263258)
  • Investigating why we're currently skipping a significant number of Item IDs (phab:T268625)
  • Wikibase Release Strategy/Infrastructure: We have decided where to host future Docker and tarball releases of Wikibase. You can read about the details and the reasoning in the following ADRs: Docker Image Repository, Tarball Repository

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help untangle items that refer to different concepts.
  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 17:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

ShortDescBot

Hi, I've been experimenting over the last few days with the short description code you kindly provided, and am just about ready now to seek community approval to run what I've called ShortDescBot - essentially my expanded version of your code with a few extra tweaks to make it more flexible. For simplicity I'll leave the dating function aside for the moment and bring it back in for a later task, when it's needed. I'm not very familiar with proper version control, but I'll shortly put my code up somewhere under the same licence as yours in case anyone wants to use it. Thanks again - I definitely couldn't have got this working without your input. MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@MichaelMaggs: OK, thanks for the update, and good luck! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Now up, here. MichaelMaggs (talk) 19:11, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

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Nomination of Holliston Church for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Holliston Church is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holliston Church until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. MB 21:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@MB: I've replied at AfD. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:57, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Commons - why not fix the problem on Wikidata?

@Canley and 99of9: Mike, I don't understand why two (or more) Wikipedia articles) cannot have the same Commons category. There is no policy against this on Wikipedia or on Commons. Your issues seem stem from some bad modelling on Wikidata. Can I suggest that the modelling on Wikidata be fixed to allow a commons category to be associated with multiple Wikipedia articles (i.e. reality). Having spent some decades of my working life researching information modelling and meta-modelling [1], I can say with some certainty that if the model can't reflect reality, it's a bad model. Pinging some Aussie Wikidata enthusiasts who may be able to assist you with updating the modelling. Kerry (talk) 07:00, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: The problem isn't on the Wikidata side. Taking the example of Buchan, Queensland, if I want to see more photos of that place, how does the link to commons:Category:Palm Cove, Queensland help? How do I then tell what photos are of Buchan, and what aren't? The best solution there is to create a Commons category for Buchan and to link to that instead (which I can't do as I can't tell which photos are of Buchan apart from the two in the article!), but there's no point just having the Commons category link to the wider category, hence why I removed it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:51, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: Since you didn't reply, I've created commons:Category:Buchan, Queensland. Are there other photos that can be added to that category? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:01, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #446

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • New request for comments: Adopt Help:SitelinksToRedirects as policy

• Events
  • Upcoming: live SPARQL queries on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, December 15 at 18:00 CET
  • Past: m:WikiConference North America/2020
  • Past: Localization and structuring of open data-Zhu Tinghong-Wikidata Community of Local Studies - MOPCON 2020 (replay), YouTube
  • Past: SMWCon 2020/Day 2 - "Wikidata Walkabout" by Yaron Koren (replay), YouTube
  • Past: Wikidata Lab XXVI: Structured citations module on Wikipedia (replay), YouTube

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • Building the SWIB20 participants map - combining Wikidata with custom data points via a federated query (ZBW Labs).
  • Introducing the Mapping the Scottish Reformation Website - A new Wikidata-driven website to explore the Scottish Reformation.
  • Introduction to Querying Wikidata Knowledge Graph using SPARQL by John Samuel
  • Video: LIVE Wikidata editing #25 - climate change, YouTube
  • Video: How to take data from OpenRefine to Wikidata through QuickStatements, YouTube
  • Video: Editing Wikidata live - casual session by Jan Ainali, YouTube

• Tool of the week
  • datao.net is a visual tool for querying and exposing Wikidata easily.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • The Coolest Tool Award 2020 featured some Wikidata tools: Lingua Libre won in the category “Diversity”; Listeria, Lexeme Forms and Entity Explosion got honorable mentions. Congratulations!
  • Complex constraint check for recency of value
  • The voting phase of the Community Wishlist Survey 2021 is open until December 21st. You can vote on as many wishes as you want. There's a separate category for Wikidata.
  • Template:Notebook Given name is a new template which gives for each given name a list of useful SPARQL queries. The template can be used on the talk page of given names. See Alexandre (Q16002466) for an example. Comments are Contributions are welcome.
  • The next Wikibase live session is 16:00 UTC on Thursday 17 December 2020 (Add to calendar). We will have a few people share out about their project in the first half of the call and then continue our conversation from the last session about what will be a better platform for community discussions. Everyone is welcome to attend!

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: category for the view from the item, mailing list archive, word lookup, inappropriate property for this type, compatible with
    • External identifiers: Church of Jesus Christ missionary ID, Encyklopedie mostů v Čechách, na Moravě a ve Slezsku ID, Czech Gymnastics athlete ID, Encyclopedia of the History of Ukraine ID, CollEx-Persée ID, theses.cz ID, Google Play developer slug, AppGallery app ID, The Galileo Project ID, Artfacts ID, Biblioteca Marciana owner ID, Museo Galileo biography ID, National Galleries of Scotland ID, Museo Galileo authority ID, Bavarian State Painting Collections artwork ID, Delft municipal monument ID, Dizionario degli artisti ID, Order of Canada recipient ID, Students of Prague Universities ID, vets.cz ID, Chapels of southern Bohemia ID, GS1 GPC brick code
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: insufficiently precise value, OpenReview.net group ID, OpenReview.net submission ID, OpenReview.net profile ID, applies when property is used, River Code, Wikimedian in Residence, Commons compatible image available at URL (non-artwork), number of at bats, runs batted in, stolen bases, subdivision monétaire
    • External identifiers: PBA ID, Medieval Manuscripts in Oxford Libraries IDs, LFH staff ID, Cephalopod Ontology entity ID, Fungal gross anatomy entity ID, Plant Ontology entity ID, Hymenoptera Anatomy Ontology entity ID, DataTrek ID, DBLP publication ID, PeriodO period ID, KANTO, CITWF title ID, CITWF person ID, identifiant de la Cinémathèque québécoise pour une personne, Encyclopedia Titanica ID, DzygaMDB film, DzygaMDB person ID, XXXBios female performer ID, XXXBios transgender performer ID, AVN movie ID, Lichess Username, Evil Angel movie ID, Evil Angel video ID
  • Query examples:
    • All stumbling stones in the city of Hannover
    • (partial) list, timeline and gallery of successful ascents of Mount Everest (and few other summits)
    • Web & social media URLs for UK Civic Societies (Source)
    • Publication related to Research Institute of Text Analysis and Applications: no. of pages per author/year, authors network (Source)
    • Map of the ritual objects said to be used by accused witches in Scotland (colourcoded layer accessible on top right to see the list of objects) (Source)
    • Seats of the Parliament of England, and the first year we have a named person listed for them (Source)
    • Female race car drivers on Spanish Wikipedia (Source)
    • Places of Geological Interest in Alamedilla (Source)
    • Number of Nature articles that were published on a Sunday in a given year
  • Schema examples:
    • Schema for stumbling stones
  • Newest WikiProjects:
    • Agriculture

• Development
  • We spend the week doing some exploratory work for the next year. Among other things we looked into how to measure the number of constraint violations on an average Item and what we can learn from it.

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  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 17:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

ShortDescBot

Should I add code to the bot to assert that it's logged in before editing, or is that functionality already built in to Pywikibot? I can't see anything in the Pywikibot documentation. Also, is there a quick call I can make to return the logged-in user (so I can make sure the bot doesn't accidentally pick up the wrong details from user-config.py). I thought it might be wikipedia.user() with wikipedia as you defined it but that always seems to return None, even when I am logged in. I posted these initially at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#Testing_a_new_bot but maybe that's not the best place. MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@MichaelMaggs: I don't tend to double-check the login, I think it always works or the bot stops and asks you to log in. It's best to use mw:Manual:Pywikibot/BotPasswords (rather than the main bot login), though, that auto-logs in as needed. You can find the username at pywikibot.config.usernames['wikipedia']['en']. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Great, thank you. MichaelMaggs (talk) 20:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Magi (Jan Mostaert) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #447

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events
  • Past: OpenAlt 2020 Conference (replay)
    • Wikidata: how to get involved (in Czech)
    • Lexemes on Wikidata (in Czech)

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • Video: HGAPS Speaker Series by Thomas Shafee
    • Wikidata Overview: how you can use it to improve the overall knowledge base of the Internet
    • Wikidata Walkthrough: hands-on editing experience
  • Wikidata for Bat Collectors, YouTube

• Tool of the week
  • Wikidata Live is a real-time visual dashboard for Wikidata edits; paper, interface (visualizes recent changes to Wikidata in quasi real time).

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Complex constraint about labels' language

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: National Library at Kolkata romanization, URL match pattern, URL match replacement value
    • External identifiers: ClassInd audiovisual work ID, Georgia Museum of Art ID, Kunsthistorisches Museum Wien ID, tribunsdelaplebe.fr ID, PBA artwork ID, OpenReview.net profile ID, OpenReview.net group ID, OpenReview.net submission ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: applicable "stated in" value, WMF hosted image that could be moved to Commons, Category for the view of the item, OSM object, property related to this topic, personality traits, graph girth, ALA-LC romanization
    • External identifiers: SAPA, Manus Online author ID, Mapy.cz ID, CollectieGelderland-creator-ID, SVTplay identifier, identifiant Mediafilm, IFLA form of music ID, IFLA key of musical work ID, IFLA mode of musical work ID, RDA support type ID, SLAM artwork ID, Kunstmuseum Basel ID, NPG ID, jeuxvideo.com ID, Dizionario bio-bibliografico dei bibliotecari italiani del XX secolo ID, Google Podcasts show ID, Royal Museums Greenwich ID, PIAC ID, Castbox show ID, Stitcher show ID, Pocket Casts show ID, Podcast Addict show ID, Radio.com Podcasts show ID
  • Deleted properties: street address (P969)
  • Query examples:
    • Tex-Mex singers (Source)
    • Map of images from Wicipics project (photography campaign in Wales) (Source)
    • Vito Russo Test in Wikidata
    • Distinct dialects of Wikidata lexemes (Source)
    • Patronage of rapid-transit transportation (Source)
    • People who played Julius Caesar, and what "version" of him they played
  • Newest WikiProjects: Media Representation
  • Newest database reports: Reports on Italian given names

• Development
  • Continuing to work on the query builder. It can now have more than one query conditions. One of the next steps is making it possible to query for Item values. You can follow along on the demo system.
  • Finished working on the problem of values of Statements that link to Forms and Senses not having language attributes associated with them in the HTML code (phab:T267023)
  • Fixed language selectors covering other input fields when using keyboard navigation for Special:NewItem and Special:NewLexeme (phab:T266638)
  • Fixed language fallback indicators sometimes still shown for variant fallbacks (phab:T267502)
  • Working on whitespace stripped while typing when editing lexemes (phab:T250550)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Help add human (Q5) to properties that currently don't have it.
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help untangle items that refer to different concepts.
  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 16:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 December 2020

• News and notes: Year-end legal surprises cause concern, but Public Domain Day is imminent

• In the media: Concealment, data journalism, a non-pig farmer, and some Bluetick Hounds

• Arbitration report: 2020 election results

• Opinion: How to make your factory's safety and labor issues disappear

• Featured content: Very nearly ringing in the New Year with "Blank Space" – but we got there in time.

• Traffic report: 2020 wraps up

• News from the WMF: What Wikipedia saw during election week in the U.S., and what we’re doing next

• Recent research: Predicting the next move in Wikipedia discussions

• Essay: Subjective importance

• Op-Ed: An unforgettable year we might wish to forget

• Gallery: Angels in the architecture

• Humour: 'Twas the Night Before Wikimas

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #448

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Open request for CheckUser: 997kB
  • There's a discussion about what the best label for required qualifier constraint happens to be.

• Events
  • Ongoing: rC3 (remote Chaos Communication Congress). Several Wikidata-related talks and meetups happening on December 27th, 28th and 29th: introduction to Wikidata, Wikidata for datajournalists, Wikidata meetups in German and English, and a Query Service workshop. (see Wikipaka schedule for more details)

• Tool of the week
  • Template:TP administrative area is a new template designed for all items which are instance of administrative territorial entity. It defines useful queries for those items. For example, {{QT|Q173695}} links to this page. Feedback and contributions are welcome.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Project Grants open call for proposals in 2021. Changes in the review process for Project Grants in 2021; the open call for community organizing proposals will be from January 11 to February 10 and the open call for software and research proposals will be from February 15 to March 16.

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: small logo or icon, lunar coordinates
    • External identifiers: CINE21 person ID, Chinese Painting Database ID, Cinémathèque québécoise person ID, Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Tasking Manager project ID, SAPA ID, Manus Online author ID, Lichess username, CITWF person ID, DBLP publication ID, DataTrek ID, KANTO ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: abstract, thesis committee chair, character type, Calificación de videojuegos, Regente, Nação (candomblé), Liderança, Bharati Braille, number of walks, number of hits, doubles hit, triples hit, Through point
    • External identifiers: TuneIn Podcasts show ID, RadioPublic show ID, Player.fm show ID, World Rowing ID, MNBAQ ID, Libsyn show ID, PodBean show ID, BG School ID, JAD ID, RDA value vocabularies ID, BHCL UUID, Podtail show ID, Provenio UUID, AbandonSocios ID, Mitre ATT&CK ID, Lexikon zum Literatur- und Kulturbetrieb im Österreich der Zwischenkriegszeit ID, International Encyclopedia of the First World War ID, SFLI ID, Game UI Database ID, DiVo person ID, e-GEDSH ID, Projecto Vercial author ID, Calaméo ID, Lumières Lausanne ID, Swiss Unihockey Player ID, IFF player ID, Internet Game Database numeric game ID, AV Production person ID, Magyar Életrajzi Lexikon ID, Studium Parisiense ID, I professori dell'Università di Pavia (1859-1961) ID, A*dS Encyclopedia, Viceversa Letteratura author ID, Ancient History Encyclopedia ID, The Podcast App show ID, viaggiareinpuglia.it ID, Encyclopedia of Saami Culture ID, DiCamillo Database Country House ID, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia ID, Biographical Archive of Psychiatry ID, Play:Right video game ID, Spletni biografski leksikon znanih Primorcev in Primork ID, TheCocktailDB ID, Muck Rack media outlet ID, Biographical Dictionary of the Czech Lands
  • Query examples:
    • Check Corona vaccine progress using Wikidata SPARQL to get metadata about the countries see notebook - SPARQL query

• Development

Due to the winter holidays, the development team is taking a break and no deployment is happening for Wikidata at the moment :)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Suggested and open tasks!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 18:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

A Better New Year!

	Happy New Year 2021!
	Happy New Year 2021 to one of the nicest people around these parts. I wish you and yours a better 2021 ... Maybe the spirit of Don Quijote is foreseeing a magical and happy 2021... --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Commons cats

This and similar edits you have made to some article fail to address the actual categories that are needed. The cat you added now excludes the stamp of that country entirely. What is needed is both the commons categories "Stamps of ..." AND "Postal history of ..." but part of the problem is that the link to the category postal history, while correctly titled, is incorrect in the wikidata box and is called "postage stamps and postal history of ..." but it does not link to the stamps of that country at all. This needs to be fixed somehow and then both categories can be added to such article which in general are called "Postage stamps and postal history of ..." except for one I know of which I wrote Postage stamps of Ireland. With this edit I added back the commons stamps category link but in preview it shows an error due to the naming issue I mention above. I quote: "Warning: Commons category does not match the Commons sitelink on Wikidata – please check (this message is shown only in preview)". Do you know how to fix this problem? ww2censor (talk) 00:05, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Just to say I've seen this and will come back to it later today. There's a systematic problem here somehow - the ones I changed to the 'postal history of ...' commons categories looked OK to me, but apparently not, and there were a bunch of other articles that seemed to link to commons categories with different naming conventions, so I want to double-check this first. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ww2censor: OK, I looked at two of the articles, Postage stamps and postal history of the United States and Postage stamps and postal history of Switzerland, and to be honest I'm now more puzzled than I was this morning. The US one seems to start off history-focused, but then becomes stamp-focused as you go down the article. The Switzerland one seems to focus much more on postal history throughout, but occasionally digressing into discussing specific stamps. So as they stand, I can understand why you say that both commons categories are wanted. However, I can't understand why we have articles that mix these two topics - why not have one article that focuses on the history of the stamps, and one that focuses more on the postal history/how the postal system operated over time? I presume there's history behind this (if you'll forgive the pun), do you know if there are WikiProject guidelines for this type of article or anything, please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. The format "Postage stamps and postal history of ..." was first instigated in 2003 and has been continued ever since. I don't see it being changed any time soon by the project. While the topics may seem separate but the fact is that there is significant crossover even if individual country articles may not specifically integrate the topics in the current prose. In the normal course of events the postal history starts well before stamps were issued but the history continues to affect what happened after stamps were issued. I see no problem with the issue except as mentioned, where an article is so focused on either aspect, such as Postage stamps of Ireland as I already mentioned but integrating the postal history would just overwhelm that particular article. There are no other FA article of this nature. Other articles do not have that problem and in most instances require much more prose on both topics to expand them. ww2censor (talk) 23:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Derby

Mike please stop doing this!!!. Have you LOOKED at the categories, and the article? I'll admit the divisions aren't ideal, but most images of Royal_Crown_Derby are in the wider Commons cat. I've been taking all your other changes on trust, but perhaps I shouldn't! Happy New Year anyway!! Johnbod (talk) 23:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Johnbod: Thanks for the message, sorry I missed the first revert of this. I did check the articles and categories, and it looked like this was correct:

• Royal Crown Derby -> commons:Category:Royal Crown Derby Porcelain Company
• Derby Porcelain -> commons:Category:Derby porcelain

Can you explain a bit more about what is wrong here? I think the issue is with the contents of the Commons categories, given that the titles (and hence presumably the scope intention) seem to match. commons:Category:Royal Crown Derby Porcelain Company is currently a subcategory of commons:Category:Derby porcelain, would it be better if they were swapped over, or does a more fundamental reshuffle need to take place on Commons? I'm doing the best I can, but double-checking is always good, always happy to discuss the trickier cases. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

The real problem is that the articles Royal Crown Derby and Derby Porcelain should probably be merged - they both go back to about 1750. As far as Commons is concerned, most of the images of "Royal Crown Derby" (depending on when you date that from) are in commons:Category:Derby porcelain, as they should be really. Commons should be left, & the higher cat is the best for WP to link to. Splitting the history is fairly pointless - perhaps Derby Porcelain should be the merged name, though of course the other is the current one. Johnbod (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Johnbod: OK, that's definitely much more in your expertise to fix than mine. It looks like this is a long-standing issue, there are quite a few similar pairs of articles in other languages. Maybe there should still be two, but with a much cleaner separation between company and product? Any plans to follow this up with article edits, please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Really the trouble is that both articles are full of rather tedious ownership/corporate stuff, with very little on the actual pottery produced during the various stages. At some point I might do this (I have a book on it), but failing that I think it is best just left as it (now) is. The other languages are just precis translations I expect. Johnbod (talk) 23:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Johnbod: OK, I don't like leaving this as it is, so I've made the changes I suggested on Commons and I've changed the Commons category back, let's leave it like that unless larger changes are afoot. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)