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I propose including ZFS in the software list. --Gaborgulya 20:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't looked at how this goes for similar companies, but is it appropriate to have every Sun-related article in this template? Does JavaStation, for example, need to be here— especially when (as the above section mentions) ZFS isn't?
I'd also like to consider what order things appear in. I just moved SunOS out of the lead position, since Solaris is currently a more notable topic. I'm surprised Java isn't higher on the list.--NapoliRoma (talk) 22:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
With two people suggesting adding zfs, I did so, however I forgot to login. A thought would be to add a technology section, which would include zfs, nfs, etc. Any thoughts? Reiger (talk) 01:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply to on Sun Microsystem template edit history
This is a template for Sun Microsystems, not Java or Java related 3rd party solutions) (undo)
Not sure are you (as in Raysonho) involve with the Java Template, but I am going to put the third party utilities in Java template. A lot of these developement are actually supported or promoted by Sun Microsystems through Press Publisher or series such as In A Nutshell by Safar O'Reilly. Much of these are related to the developement of Java.
For OpenOffice if a developer developed a good plug-in or implementation that Sun Microysstem really like a lot they might buy that technologies and integrate it into StarOffice, that is one of these ways how Open Source products earn their money. So if you disagree, discuss before you remove next time.
Initially I was thinking of changing the link of Java to Java Template
--Ramu50 (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Sun Fire is a blade server, and therefore it is a server product not a workstation. As the article clearly state the following
Also Sun Netra is a NEBS which is a type of small profile SMB server(Small-Medium Buisness), they just handle less work and isn't consider as a workstation.
Also you've no reason why Crossbow is being removed. For iPlanet, I created that extra group, because a lot of servers were introduced by Sun Microsystems partnership with Netscape Communications and I believe iPlanet is an initiative that Sun Microsystems always wanted to do for a long time so solve the barriers of Enterprise Solutions Management, such as Virtualizing Servers, --Ramu50 (talk) 06:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually for Sun Netra classified it under other, because NEBS can be used for workstation or Enterprise. For Sun Fire (14 out of 16 products of Sun Fire are considered Enterprise Servers not workstation at all).
The article and both Sun Microsystems webpage clearly doesn't support your synthesis of being a workstation at all. (for Sun Fire)
From Sun Microsystems
DNS, Web Infrastructure, Security (e.g. Kerberos, CloudAV), Network Services (SOA Semantic Web Infrastructure database), Virtualization are totally not workstations at all. Also take note that Sun Fire can support up to 1.152TB it probably should be classified as Infrastrucutre, even Microsoft Virtual Earth only have around 300TB.
SPARCEnterprise is as follows
Considering that Rack-mount and mid-range can be fitted as utilities of High-end Servers and Enterprise Servers and not under CoolThreaded Workstations due to form factor (therefore servers account for 20/26, so I guess it might best classified it as a Enterprise
Also Sun Modular Datacenter should be change to Storage section
And since when did you ever contribute an edit on my talk page before, Raysonho Sun Microsystem was even discuss, stop making up synthesis.
--Ramu50 (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which entries exactly are you referring to. For storage I think it includes backup, general NAS, SAS, DAS, SANs, data center, data warehousins...so forth. Also Raysonho I did take the your note into consideration, that is why I removed the suffix of solutions. Thus change Enterprise to General Servers as none of us nor the reviews are correct to judge what are the intension of server. Products by nature are meant to be multipurpose. Even reviews are bias by nature to be standing on one side or the other. The only one that I can say is a solution is all iPlanet product. Joint-venture goal is to provide a better solutions in many fields of computing such as electrical engineering for investments in photoelectric processors, high density / high speed RAM...etc. Whether or not Sun Microsystem started as a workstation company has nothing got to do with their product so that is out of the question. I don't think we should place SPARC Enterprise with Workstation and Server section, because they are joint-venture. Even without being biased, workstation in the context of modern age technology age does connotate the NOS, adminastration. I don't think Sun made SPARC Enterprise superceed Sun Fire (as stated in the article) for nothing, it does hint that they probably want to aim at a bigger market into of SMB segement which is what most workstation are use for. --Ramu50 (talk) 02:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am not stresssing on the importance of it is a NEBS or not. Sun Microsystems have generally make workstation product to be flexible with the capability to handle small-to-medium workloads along with the capability to be programmable through distributed computing, grid computing...etc. Though virtualization can make heavy duty possible to a certain degree, however, majority of the parallel computing are under research and those products act more of a template, and that is why they try to include all processors as much as possible and open source their UltraSPARC T2 so they can possible accelerate their enviroments. There never existed a gray line between the workstations and servers. Servers only have 2 type: Storage (SANs, NAS, DAS, SAS, SQL, Data center, data warehouse) and Purpose-orientated. Purpose orientated is (browsing (web server), servicing (SOA, Amazon, Google, Yahoo...the other search engine), hosting (gaming, multimedia broadcasting / streaming, news feed {atom, RSS}, gaming).
Sun Microsystem find a server Sun Fire, Sun Netra, SPARC Enterprise, Sun Blade Modular Ceneter Sun Microsystem Desktop & Workstations Sun Ultra.
The best workstations I've seen is the ability to virtualize 4 Operating System at the same time. That being said that is why Sun Microsystem invested so much money in Instruction Level Programming for Workstations and AMD OSRC (Operating System Research Center) for workstations also as kernel engineering is also a major topics that many operating system struggle with which can fluctate ther performance of an workstation dramatically. Do you even understand the difference between workstations and servers at all. --Ramu50 (talk) 19:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is totally not true what you just said Letdorf. You don't even understand your material at all. There is a hardware difference between Workstation and Servers. The research product I refer to are
Servers use UltraSPARC processors for a reason, because they are written down to the ILP level. Initially Sun Microsystem was reseraching VLIW and SPARC in the beginning, but VLIW MAJC's thread scheduling feature wasn't successful that is why Sun introduced CoolThreading in SPARC instead. At that time since mainstream wasn't at around 1.2GHz there wasn't really a competition between IBM Power Architecture and SPARC until early 1990s. The climax of the competition is currently, because IBM RoadRunner and Sun Constellation System are the only 2 server in the world able to reach petascale.
For Workstation processor Sun made the workstation compatible with Intel and AMD, because not everybody may want to believe in SPARC, and VLIW, therefore they offered of Intel Xeon (IA-64, by the way IA-64 is written in CISC-RIC instruction set). Intel website even categorize Xeon as Workstation processors (Pentium and Core microarchitecture) versus Itanium (VLIW instruction) as Server processors. However, Intel lost the Xeon market, because the people didn't believe in their FBD Memory and Snoop Filter Cache when previously roadmap stated they might use Robson Solid State Cache. Also their Quad Core design doesn't even stand a chance in the market. Thus AMD dominated with NUMA DCM, XDR Memory and Hyper-V. That is why for the future Nehalem Intel unethically copied AMD NUMA architecture. --Ramu50 (talk) 18:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the off-topic. But I think we should categorize Hardware into the following
This site seems to suggest Giraffee developement on Sun Lustre
Put the following under existing Servers
I think we need really utility computing, mainly because there is a developement on Cloud Computing. Like Amazon EC2
Its just unforunate that the other vendors got their place like GigaSpaces, Rightscale, Thoughtworks and Zmanda.
Any products that is blade server or hybrid of workstations and servers I think can be put under Utility Computing, as long they support some form of SAN connection like SAS, DAS, NAS, AoE...etc. Or else just put them under workstation / servers.
For SPARCstations I suggest 2 link because, a few month agos I was trying to figure out how to add minicluster server (a SFF / ITX servers) I came across various SFF form factor known as Pizzabox, Lunchbox...etc apparently that is how Sun got that name and we shouldn't ignore it, because AMD also invented the DTX SFF so we are not sure is going to adopt that. --Ramu50 (talk) 22:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Over the last month, this template has gotten considerably more complicated as it tries to map out every Sun-related article on Wikipedia. This isn't helping. I believe that it should be split into multiple templates, with the main Sun template (this one) covering only the most notable topics across the company's work. Navboxen are not meant to replace the category namespace by endlessly adding hierarchies.
A good start would be splitting the hardware subgroups to {{Sun hardware}}. If there are no objections, I'll do that later. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Choose your minor as something that interest you, but will help you. e.g. In developement look for effiency related studies concepts of green, energy efficient...etc are (power engineering, material engineering, thermodynamics (recycle)) and so forth. --Ramu50 (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My scope and style of editing Wikipedia's Template
We now have a {{Sun hardware}}, modelled after Ramu's subgroups in the previous revision of this template.
We should now work on reducing the number of links in this template until it provides just an overview rather than trying to map out WP's entire coverage of Sun. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Before I say anything further
Status: Still working on version 2.
--Ramu50 (talk) 04:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(section snipped and userfied to user:Ramu50/Solaris and user:Ramu50/Java - Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC) )[reply]
I was just browsing through when I noticed that dashes are used instead of dots to separate links (most noticeable on the right side of the hardware section). Since this introduces inconsistency into the navbox (the majority of the template uses dots), should they be replaced or do they have some purpose I am not aware of? Rilak (talk) 05:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Any thoughts on a SunWorld Magazine article? IIRC, it was later Unix Insider. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 19:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]