I'd be interested in any opinions on adding List of suicide sites to the template. - Eric 20:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure where to put it parasuicide certainly relevant. Paul foord 11:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that resources for suicide should be placed at the top of the template, given the potential for the suicide articles to be read by depressed and suicidal people. Anyone disagree? State your reasons.Wik98 15:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Intervention should be top and center. It represents how our entire society is set up to deal with suicide, and though it may be POV with respect to the issues pertaining to suicide, it isn't POV with respect to suicide as a phenomenon. Suicide is an act. An act which, like murder, arson, theft, etc., is against the law. Law is not just a view, it is a rule of society which has punishments attached, and large organizations of law enforcement and judicial personnel to enforce and adjudicate. To present all of that as just a view, is POV, as it skews the picture of what is going on in the real world. Also, society, from the top levels of government to local government jurisdictions to hospitals and the entire medical field, has policies and protocols in place and very actively implemented with respect to suicide in the form of emergency medical response. This is also much more than a view, and involves the expenditure of public funds, the employment of emergency service personnel, and the actions one can expect of almost every doctor. Phenomena and their epiphenomena have greater relevance and a higher position on the reporting hierarchy than issues about those phenomena. Debates or views about the issue of whether or not suicide is right or wrong are secondary to the presentment of what suicide is, and to the organizational measures put in place to manage it. These are physically relevent to the topic, not merely discussions or philosophical positions about the topic as views are. Somehow, in your interest of preserving NPOV, you've lost sight of that. Suicide is far more than just an issue. And so is society's very active response to suicide. The Transhumanist 19:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the current structure of the template makes little sense; the logical structure would seem to be definition, characterization, and raw information (types, history, etc.) followed by viewpoints and assessments (views on suicide) followed by assorted related topics (causes, hotlines, etc.). The articles on suicide prevention make more sense after we've explained the prevailing view that suicide is bad. Further, the "symptoms" section is confusing: threats of suicide are not a symptom; symptoms are physical conditions. Christopher Parham (talk) 01:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My two cents if that's worth anything: we are really kidding ourselves if we believe that the order of presentation in the template will have any impact on people contemplating suicide. This is the same weird logic that believes that kids would not commit suicide if they weren't listening to Marylin Manson. It does not make any sense to choose the order of the template based on the vague (and imo absurd) possibility that someone contemplating suicide will look at the template, see the types of suicide on top and will go "oh, right, I'll just hang myself" whereas the intervention links on top would have pushed him to seek help. Now it is a meaningful debate to choose the ordering based on what makes most sense in terms of content organization but social responsibility objectives should be kept out of it. Pascal.Tesson 02:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Wik98 per WP:NOT EVIL. Herostratus 18:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've pretty thoroughly reformatted the template. It seems good enough for now; a bigger problem is the sorry state of our suicide articles in general. It's one of those topics where everyone has an opinion so no one bothers to cite sources. We need articles that pass the amnesia test. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I noticed that Euthanasia is mentioned twice in the template - first under social aspects then again under suicide types. I was inclined to remove it from suicide types, as it isn't a form of suicide, where suicide is defined as intentionally causing one's own death - euthanasia, as current defined in the literature, involves another party performing the act. On those grounds, are there any objections if I remove it from "suicide types", leaving it in "Social aspects"? In relation to the above, I note that "Assisted suicide" is mentioned in "Social aspects", but not in "Suicide types". Would it be ok to move "Assisted suicide" down to the other section? - Bilby (talk) 04:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that the image for this template is a picture of Socrates reaching for the poison hemlock that killed him. It is a common misconception that Socrates committed suicide, when really he was made to drink the poison hemlock as a method of execution. He did not voluntarily drink the hemlock, although arguably he did throw his trial as a sort of martyrdom for his philosophical beliefs which might be construed to be suicidal. But there has to be some more clear-cut example of suicide that we can use. Socrates was tried, convicted, and executed. AuntieNeo (talk) 07:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone collapse the template. In shot articles like this it takes all the space, thus no space remains to add graphics related to the article! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the move request was: Move Template:Suicide → Template:Suicide sidebar, but no consensus on Template:Suicide2. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:59, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
– I suggest we rename {{Suicide}} to {{Suicide sidebar}} per other sidebar templates, such as {{Economics sidebar}}, {{Philosophy sidebar}}, and {{Discrimination sidebar}}. After doing so, we can move the navbox {{Suicide2}} to {{Suicide}}. Cheers, Manifestation 18:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As usual, the move request draws little attention. Note to whoever closes this: I would be fine with it if the templates are moved to the 'navbox' and 'sidebar' names, as the anon and User:Vanisaac above also suggested. - Manifestation 19:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
...I was not pleased with the above 'discussion' which resulted in {{Suicide}} being renamed to {{Suicide sidebar}}, but {{Suicide2}} being left unaltered. Why would you have a template named "Suicide2", especially if you don't have a "Suicide" or "Suicide1"? The closing admin claimed that there was no consensus to move Suicide2, which is not entirely correct.
So I decided to move {{Suicide2}} to {{Suicide navbox}} myself. I also removed all transclusions of Suicide2, changing them to Suicide navbox. I did the same with a few remaining instances of Suicide, now changed to Suicide sidebar. On this moment, both redirects are not transcluded on any page (Suicide, Suicide2).
Sorry if this is considered gaming the system. I truly believe this to be the best solution. Because the redirects are unused now, the situation is easily changed again, if there's a consensus to do so. I don't see that happening any time soon though, considering the very low amount of input from others. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Please, I only want to edit the Socrates image in the Template, It's should be changed by another picture, because it could suggest a romanticized portrait of the phenomenon. Please, let me change it, by a symbol or and ideograph, it's for practical reasons.
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change by this: http://afsp.donordrive.com/clients/AFSP/img/fbLogo.jpg?v=42243.2736806
Please, don't let my request unanswered.
Thank you very much. Waiting for your answer.
Usuariocontribuyente (talk) 13:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The former picture was not really representative of the whole concept of suicide, since it required knowledge of the rest of the paining as well as its context. It can also be debated of Socrates committed suicide or simply accepted his death sentence. The painting itself likely suggests the latter. The painitng of Sappho, however, is more like it. It requires no foreknowledge to understand that it depicts a jumper; the open sea to the left showing the infinity of death, and her pose and facial expression on the right displaying the fear and misery of being suicidal. The doubts whether Sappho did die by suicide is irrelevant to the painting, and reflected upon by the image desc. I know that there was previous talk about the image, but decided to do a bold edit to quickly solve this. Feel free to revert and talk or just talk if you disagree :)Gaioa (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please change the spelling error "paining" to "painting" in the sidebar painting of Sappho & possibly add "Sappho a Greek poet shortly before her rumoured suicide" as a descriptor. Brain Salt (talk) 16:24, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The templates {{Discrimination}} and {{Discrimination sidebar}} have the same content, but the former is horizontal and the latter is vertical. Each of them includes a message that says that any edits made to one of them should also be made to the other; for example, the message on {{Discrimination sidebar}} says:
Should the content of {{Suicide sidebar}} and {{Suicide navbox}} be the same, and should there be a similar message on each template? (I ask because I made some changes to one of them but not to the other.) Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
See also the related deletion discussion at: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 December 13 § Template:Suicide by country. Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 18:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]