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Hey, I love this template and thanks for adding it! But surely the subway-surface lines belong on here as well? I'd add them, but I'm not sure what "division" they're in. --Jfruh13:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-23T13:05:00.000Z","author":"Jfruh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jfruh-2005-08-23T13:05:00.000Z-Subway-surface_lines","replies":["c-Boothy443-2005-08-23T18:06:00.000Z-Jfruh-2005-08-23T13:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
I knew i forgot something. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ18:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-23T18:06:00.000Z","author":"Boothy443","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Boothy443-2005-08-23T18:06:00.000Z-Jfruh-2005-08-23T13:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
This template deals with the SEPTA Regional Rail lines in their present form. The R4 line was proposed as a local service from Bryn Mawr but never implemented. That's why the R4 should not be in the template. Pilatus13:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-10-24T13:46:00.000Z","author":"Pilatus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pilatus-2005-10-24T13:46:00.000Z-SEPTA_R4","replies":["c-SPUI-2005-10-26T07:55:00.000Z-Pilatus-2005-10-24T13:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
Actually the history is much more complicated - SEPTA Regional Rail describes it in detail. There's no reason to restrict the template to the present form. --SPUI (talk) 07:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-10-26T07:55:00.000Z","author":"SPUI","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SPUI-2005-10-26T07:55:00.000Z-Pilatus-2005-10-24T13:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Pilatus-2005-10-27T00:42:00.000Z-SPUI-2005-10-26T07:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
We don't have defunct lines (such as the trackless trolleys) in the template, so there is no reason to have lines that never existed in the template. Pilatus00:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-10-27T00:42:00.000Z","author":"Pilatus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pilatus-2005-10-27T00:42:00.000Z-SPUI-2005-10-26T07:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-SPUI-2005-11-02T06:09:00.000Z-Pilatus-2005-10-27T00:42:00.000Z"]}}-->
If someone writes an article on the trackless trolley routes, they shoudl be added to the template. --SPUI (talk) 06:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-02T06:09:00.000Z","author":"SPUI","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SPUI-2005-11-02T06:09:00.000Z-Pilatus-2005-10-27T00:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Pilatus-2005-11-04T23:58:00.000Z-SPUI-2005-11-02T06:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
If someone gets around to write about the R4 the link can go back in. Pilatus23:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-04T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Pilatus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Pilatus-2005-11-04T23:58:00.000Z-SPUI-2005-11-02T06:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Izzycat-2006-02-07T22:08:00.000Z-Pilatus-2005-11-04T23:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
Removed the R4 link. If someone writes about the proposed R4 service (if I remember correctly, it was a Bryn Mawr-Fox Chase local) then the link should be added back. Izzycat22:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-02-07T22:08:00.000Z","author":"Izzycat","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Izzycat-2006-02-07T22:08:00.000Z-Pilatus-2005-11-04T23:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Should the Girard_Street_line be on this template? --Jfruh06:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-08T06:29:00.000Z","author":"Jfruh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jfruh-2005-12-08T06:29:00.000Z-Girard_St.?","replies":["c-Boothy443-2005-12-08T07:24:00.000Z-Jfruh-2005-12-08T06:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
Probley, have to figure out how i am going to work it in. --Boothy443 | trácht ar07:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-08T07:24:00.000Z","author":"Boothy443","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Boothy443-2005-12-08T07:24:00.000Z-Jfruh-2005-12-08T06:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-DanTD-2009-05-19T16:17:00.000Z-Boothy443-2005-12-08T07:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
I can't wait to see what you guys are going to do with Routes 23 and 56 are revived as trolley lines. ----DanTD (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-19T16:17:00.000Z","author":"DanTD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-DanTD-2009-05-19T16:17:00.000Z-Boothy443-2005-12-08T07:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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So why isn't Fern Rock Transportation Center included in this template? And about the R4, I found a message board containing some useful info in case any body's interested. ----DanTD (talk) 03:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-20T03:07:00.000Z","author":"DanTD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DanTD-2008-08-20T03:07:00.000Z-Fern_Rock,_anyone?","replies":[]}}-->
I've been unable to find any other templates that use the same format as this one, where active lines & route are completely separated from the inactive ones, rather than in appropriate subsections. Also, there's quite a number of relevant links that were omitted. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 21:04, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-25T21:04:00.000Z","author":"AlgaeGraphix","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AlgaeGraphix-2019-12-25T21:04:00.000Z-Revising_&_updating","replies":["c-Mackensen-2019-12-25T22:35:00.000Z-AlgaeGraphix-2019-12-25T21:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
Well, {{Amtrak routes}} puts all the former services in one place, regardless of geography (the relevant factor when dividing up those services). It's true that {{Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority}} groups current and former services together (within modal type). Mackensen(talk)22:35, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-25T22:35:00.000Z","author":"Mackensen","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mackensen-2019-12-25T22:35:00.000Z-AlgaeGraphix-2019-12-25T21:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Distinction between City Bus Routes and Former Trolley Routes
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Just so theres a marker between the two, I would like to suggest that any cuts past 1970 be put in 'Former Trolley' and anything before, including the 1955 cuts, be put in 'City Bus'
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