Template talk:Philadelphia Union

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-Edited the template to correspond with the most likely colors of the team - the same as the flag of Philadelphia

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Rivalries

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These should point to articles on the rivalries (see articles such as North London derby, Superclasico, etc.) rather than to the article of the perceived rival of a club yet to play a game. Dancarney (talk) 11:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-12T11:20:00.000Z","author":"Dancarney","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dancarney-2009-05-12T11:20:00.000Z-Rivalries","replies":["c-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:22:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T11:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Maybe so, but the articles would be deleted as WP:CRYSTAL since the team doesn't play yet. Technically, there is no rivalry right now, though NY and DC (and probably Dallas) are obvious. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-12T11:22:00.000Z","author":"Killervogel5","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:22:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T11:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dancarney-2009-05-12T11:28:00.000Z-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"KV5"}}-->

I agree. I have previously removed these rivalry bits, but they were restored, so I thought I ought to put the matter up for discussion. Dancarney (talk) 11:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-12T11:28:00.000Z","author":"Dancarney","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dancarney-2009-05-12T11:28:00.000Z-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:43:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T11:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't think that, for the time being, I have a problem with the teams being listed in the navbox; I just don't want to see them become locked in there and have editors trying to create a rivalry that doesn't exist when the time comes. I mean, who knows? We might develop rivalries with Seattle and Toronto rather than Red Bull and United, though Toronto's probably just a pipe dream... I just want a reason to go there. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-12T11:43:00.000Z","author":"Killervogel5","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:43:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T11:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dancarney-2009-05-12T12:23:00.000Z-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"KV5"}}-->

Including anything at all in a "Rivalries" section is surely in contravention of WP:CRYSTAL? The team hasn't played a single game, so how can any rivalries have developed? Dancarney (talk) 12:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-12T12:23:00.000Z","author":"Dancarney","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dancarney-2009-05-12T12:23:00.000Z-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T11:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T15:35:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T12:23:00.000Z","c-Dancarney-2010-04-30T09:14:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T12:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Shrug*. I'm indifferent to that point. I'd say it's inevitable, but who knows. There is no deadline. It'll get done eventually. First kick is only 11 months away. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-12T15:35:00.000Z","author":"Killervogel5","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Killervogel5-2009-05-12T15:35:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T12:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"KV5"}}-->

I note that after a single meeting between Philadelphia and New York a rivalries section has been readded, which just links to the NY team's article. Dancarney (talk) 09:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-30T09:14:00.000Z","author":"Dancarney","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Dancarney-2010-04-30T09:14:00.000Z-Dancarney-2009-05-12T12:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Killervogel5-2010-04-30T11:38:00.000Z-Dancarney-2010-04-30T09:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

I saw that, but there are now sources to support it. The Daily News and The Post both published articles about it, and the official MLS website says that "this could potentially shape up to be the biggest rivalry for both teams". KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:38, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-30T11:38:00.000Z","author":"Killervogel5","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Killervogel5-2010-04-30T11:38:00.000Z-Dancarney-2010-04-30T09:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dancarney-2010-04-30T11:50:00.000Z-Killervogel5-2010-04-30T11:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"KV5"}}-->

Well, those are fairly decent RS links. I guess that a rivalry in US sport can be something instantaneous, it just seems really wrong and sort-of fabricated, from a British perspective. Dancarney (talk) 11:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-30T11:50:00.000Z","author":"Dancarney","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Dancarney-2010-04-30T11:50:00.000Z-Killervogel5-2010-04-30T11:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Killervogel5-2010-04-30T11:52:00.000Z-Dancarney-2010-04-30T11:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Trust me, I fully agree with you. I would have deleted it again if I hadn't found those articles. I think that, in this case, it stems more from the rivalry between the cities than it does from the rivalry between the teams. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-30T11:52:00.000Z","author":"Killervogel5","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Killervogel5-2010-04-30T11:52:00.000Z-Dancarney-2010-04-30T11:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"KV5"}}-->