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My deletions

Hi, i have deleted these 6 names

I did that because they are all CHRISTIAN figures, not islamic ones. User Imadjafar has a long history of falsely associating associating Biblical figures with Quranic ones. Im trying to curb this. Someone65 (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jochebed was Moses' mother. Mentioned in the Quran. Significant to Islam, Judaism and Christianity.

Zipporah was Moses' wife. Mentioned in the Quran. Significant to Islam, Judaism and Christianity.

Rachel was Jacob's wife, Joseph and Benjamin's mother. Mentioned in the Quran. Significant to Islam, Judaism and Christianity.

Rebecca was Isaac's wife, mother of Jacob and Esau. Mentioned in the Quran. Significant to Islam, Judaism and Christianity.

Elizabeth was John the Baptist's mother. Zacchariah's wife. Mentioned in the Quran. Significant to Islam and Christianity.

Which means that you are incorrect on every count, and Imadjafar is correct. Further, there is not a single one of these names that belongs solely to Christianity.

Aquib (talk) 02:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Islam rejects the bible so just because the bible claims x is the mother of x does not mean islam believes x is the mother of x. If you disagree bring a reliable source proving me wrong please. Someone65 (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I find your remarks an insulting, insensitive oversimplification of my religion. If you are going to edit the Islamic articles, kindly take the time to familiarize yourself with Islam.

We went through this whole discussion in December, at which time you offered to resign your editing on this encyclopedia if I could bring you one solid citation as to the place any of the women listed above held in the religion of Islam. I provided several, and here you are a month later, fighting this same battle.

Here is a discussion of the story of Moses, including Jochebed, in the Bible and in Islam see page 27. Note the author identifies only minor differences between the accounts. Kindly stop your tendentious, disruptive editing. Your are establishing a repeated pattern of disruptive editing. I am reverting your recent changes.

Aquib (talk) 01:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Following WP:Verifiability policy, Instead of giving me a link to a book cover, can you give me a verifiable link please? Could you also please quote what the line actually says please. And also please give references for all six names. thanks Someone65 (talk) 03:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't know how to find page 27 in a Google version of a book, I'm not going to help you. And templates have no facility for providing references, I did so as a courtesy. It was obviously a waste of my time. Aquib (talk) 03:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

all right i will allow elizabeth to stay. But you need to find refeences for the other 5 names too. This time please give me links to the actual page or quote the exact lines of what the book says. Someone65 (talk) 03:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anne - a great woman

For Anne, read Quran 3:35-36. Abdullah Yusuf Ali says:

C375. "Now we begin the story of Jesus. As a prelude we have the birth of Mary and the parallel story of John the Baptist, Yahya the son of Zakariya. Yahya's mother Elisabeth was a cousin of Mary the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:36), and therefore John and Jesus were cousins by blood, and there was a spiritual cousinhood in their birth and career. Elisabeth was of the daughters of Aaron (Luke 1:5), of a priestly family which went back to Aaron the brother of Moses and son of Imran. Her husband Zakariya was actually a priest, and her cousin Mary was presumably also of a priestly family. By tradition Mary's mother was called Hannah (in Latin, Anna, and in English, Anne), and her father was called Imran. Hannah is therefore both a descendant of the priestly house of Imran and the wife of Imran,-"a woman of Imran" in a double sense".--Imadjafar (talk) 07:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also this family is usually called the family of 'Imran (Amram). We must not get confused with Mary's father Joachim. Zachariah was also part of this family but he was older than Joachim. Joachim, in our tradition, is also called 'Imran. But when one says "The House of Imran", it refers to the priestly descent of Amram, father of Moses and Aaron, through whom Elizabeth, Mary, Zachariah, Joachim, John , Jesus all came. That is why the part where it says Generation of Joachim should be made Descendants of Amram or Family of Amram.

As Luke 1:5 calls Elizabeth a Daughter of Aaron, Quran 66:12 calls Mary a Daughter of Amram, and Quran 19:27-28 calls Mary a Sister of Aaron. All these are reminders of who this households ancestors were. That is why, in the aforementioned verse, Anne is called a "Woman of Imran", in a double sense as she was a descndant of Amram (father of Moses and Aaron) and the wife of Joachim, who in our tradition is called Imran as well. --Imadjafar (talk) 07:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

^{[Quran 3:35–36]}

Yusuf Ali

Hannah (Bible)

Anna (Bible) Jewish prophetess who predicted Jesus' coming

Saint Anne article on Mary's mother. Hannah seems to be the most common Islamic name for Mary's mother, but this is reserved on Wikipedia for Samuel's mother. Mary's mother was probably named for Samuel's mother. This is a controversial subject with Biblical critics suggesting Samuel's story is confused, Quran critics suggesting Hannah's story is confused etc - see Gilchrist on Hannah for example - it's all over the web.

Main article: Islamic view of Anne has this article been deleted, or has it not yet been created?

Aquib (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic view of Anne was never created. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 21:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks CBW

Anne, or Hannah as she is know in Islam, is well documented in the literature and hew addition to the template Honoured women in Islam is not controversial. There is no evident dispute in the Islamic or western academic literature on this point. There is abundant literature to support this position. This position is well-sourced in the Islamic view section of the article on Saint Anne.^[1]see page 99 Anyone who wishes to contradict this position should bring credible sources in support. -Aquib (talk) 05:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]