The reference to China links towards a legitimate penal system. Even in The Netherlands we are familiar with work-for-punishment. Maybe it's a terribly huge amount of work but unfairness does not make slavery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.87.143.161 (talk) 15:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I dont think this box is in the right place. Article of Baibars speaks about Baibars and his achievments. Samsam22 00:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How would people feel if we made the border some other color? The red is really glaring and incompatible with the general color scheme of Wikipedia. – Scartol · Talk 02:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why does this template not include the article Slavery in the United States. I hope that is there is a reason other than bias?
Because nobody who knew about this article has added it.--SasiSasi (talk) 01:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Have tried to improve the look of the template, and the categorisation. Still needs work and addition.--SasiSasi (talk) 01:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The removed article is off-topic for this category. The current disambiguation page also distinguishes this Marxist analogy from the actual practice of slavery. StephenMacmanus (talk) 01:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a marxist analogy.Harrypotter (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What is this Underware Railroad in the template? I assume it's supposed to be Underground Railroad. JBH23 (talk) 00:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the placement of unfree labour under the heading of slavery is dubious because it tends to imply that unfree labour is a form of slavery. Whereas, in fact, unfree labour is a broader and more generic term that includes slavery, along with less well known practices. Hence I have changed the heading of the template. Grant | Talk 05:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't seem right to include "unfree labor" in the title of the template. The title should be common & concise, following rules similar to WP:TITLE. Instead, a link to the article Unfree labor could be in the body of the template, in a new section such as "associated topics" or "related topics". But it just looks odd in the title. Thoughts? --Noleander (talk) 13:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way to collapse this? It's longer than some articles. Mannanan51 (talk) 06:05, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the editor above - the slavery sidebar has gotten huge recently with a dump of parochial US history topics onto the global sidebar by one editor. This is an international sidebar. You wouldn't know it at the moment, with little headings saying "Jefferson" and "Adams".
This template is so disgusting right now. This is how wikipedia used to look like 10 years ago. Make a "Slavery in the US" sidebar for the American topics.
One link for slavery in India (as it should be) - about millions of slaves in debt bondage at present - vs around 20 articles in the template about the pre-1865 US experience, including:
It's time for a US slavery sidebar, so these US topics can have a home off of the international sidebar. Thank you. Takomosh (talk) 09:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm not sure I agree regarding the size of the template in number of links or whether the scope in certain sections has drifted from the ideal, I did agree that it is too long. I've implemented Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists as a result. --Izno (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks Izno for the collapsing. Any advice on how to edit the template now? When I hit the 'E' that I usually use it takes me instead to the source code for "Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists", rather than the code to edit the template itself. Thank you in advance. AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unsure of the utility and value of the "contemporary" part of the sidebar and would suggest it be removed. Some of the entries are better as 'Types' of Contemporary slavery (i.e. the second 'India' entry), some are referring to human trafficking which is often slavery-related but not in all instances, and others (i.e. Mali) direct to articles which combine historical and contemporary. Any thoughts on redistributing and removing some entries so as to remove the 'Contemporary' part of the sidebar. AbstractIllusions (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From the above two discussions, and the time frames of responses, it is possible (I'm not saying it is, but that it's possible) that my viewpoint is being ignored, that the template was fine as is, so I'll explain further if you'd indulge me (I may have not fully explained enough in my last answers). The reason I say this is not only from a personal point of view, but from the numbers. The Wikipedia stats which have an amazing feature to record page views. I love that feature. Anyway, both during my slavery edit run and a bit after I kept track of the page view numbers (I spent well over a month, don't know how long, have never made a list of any kind). I probably closed in on 2,000 edits on the slavery pages in that edit-run. The vast majority of those, although I did some good writing and article expansion as well, were used to connect as many of the slavery pages as I could find through expanding and distributing templates. This template under discussion on most the pages, the others ('Slave narrative' and 'Underground Railroad', which are mostly if not totally specific to the United States and Canada, and those are the pages I put them on) on many pages. Quite a few "See also" connections were also worked on, I don't know how many edits for each. As I did this - and this is the important thing - each day I watched the page hits on many specific slavery related pages. They kept going up, on the main articles as much as 30 percent, and on some other pages, hundreds of percent (as much as 300-500 percent). Please check some pages for the page views in that period, and I don't know the dates I did this slavery run (which I started after seeing the film 12 Years a Slave. I made a of edits on the film page, got caught up in the timeline and article flow, finally began to focus on the Slavery template and how much it was both missing - although it was a great job, a very good job, extremely nice work - and the quality and number of pages which were missing both on the template and the presence on their pages of the template. So I connected them. In a full and exposed template. Please check the view numbers from a comparable period a year ago if you would. So maybe please don't remove any more pages from the template for the next week and a half or so, let's let it rest this way - all compacted and scrunched - and see if the page views compare with not only a year ago, but this week compared to next week. And school is starting, so lots of these pages should take a lot of views. We provide, with a template, a map for students and others, that's how I see a template, and the numbers say that you guys are maybe talking of tampering with a very successful template, putting personal points-of-view into it which the numbers seem to disprove. Please check them if it seems exaggerated. The simplest way is probably to look a year ago at say, July, compared with this July. I haven't done this, so I don't know what they'd look like. I just know the increase which occurred while working on my edit-run - without, if I may say, one complaint from anyone, something like 2,000 edits and what some editors could have called template-spam and never did, and I think we've all been proven correct, at least from one point of view. Forgive this block of print, but this is all pretty equal data and I just went Kerouac on it. So let's give it a week, the template as is, and check the numbers of just the template collapse alone? Sounds fair to me, which is why I'm throwing it out there, so thanks for wading through this block of print. And thanks for letting me talk about this stuff, which I seldom do. In summary I guess I'm saying that lots of people and readers haven't minded the template at all so far, and have actually had the curiosity and intelligence to not get bogged down in it, which I count as a nice report concerning the meme that the present generation has been dumbed down. I thought the template was doing just fine, and the topics were separated into their own sections and all. Is there a problem with timeline flow? Thanks. Randy Kryn 18:48 29 August, 2014 (UTC)
@Jarble:@Randy Kryn: - So, we need to get some first principles agreed for the organization of the template. Namely: where does a topic belong? The recent additions by Jarble duplicate topics that are already on the template in other places (Blackbirding is under Historical and Contemporary Africa is under Regions already). I actually like the new placement by Jarble, but think it is worthy of discussion. A proposed system for deciding where to place an article (please criticize/fix): 1. If the article is about a specific 'form of slavery'--it goes under Contemporary or Historic. 2. If the article is about slavery in a specific region, whether historical (Greece) or contemporary (Africa now) then it goes into the Regions section. 3. Opposition, Related, seem straight forward. This would mean that a lot of articles in the Historic section get moved to the Regions section. (I guess an alternative is don't sweat duplication and put articles on the template wherever they fit). Fixes? AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Conscription article, defining the conscription as slavery seems to be just the viewpoint of libertarians, anarchists and radicals, not an universal viewpoint. Certainly it is not shared by the Supreme Court; and none of the international treaties against slavery seem to have ever been concerned about the countries with conscription (which, if it was slavery, would be a state-sponsored slavery, not a crime of outlaw individuals). It is listed under Contemporary slavery, but that article does not mention conscription, and in fact it doesn't seem to fit with the description of modern slavery described there.
I removed the article from the template for that reason. It was restored, claiming that "The article mentions slavery in two headings--that qualifies it in the template", but that rationale seems to ignore how is it being mentioned. Including the conscription in the article would promote the minority viewpoint of small groups. --Cambalachero (talk) 16:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a good stub template for slavery-related articles? I guess I'm just going to use US-hist-stub, but it seems sort of generic and I thought folks following this template might have a better idea. Thanks! —Luis (talk) 22:53, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Under Opposition and Resistance, I added
These were immediately removed as "a bit tangential". But the colonization movement (sending former slaves to Africa, or sometimes some other place) was a really big movement. It wasn't as big as the Abolitionist movement, but it was far from tiny. It had distinguished supporters: Presidents Jefferson, Monroe, and Madison, among others. Madison was the Society's president at one time. It gave birth to two countries, though we tend to ignore Sierra Leone in the U.S. Do others share my view that this is not tangential? deisenbe (talk) 14:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I really think we need one. Opinions? deisenbe (talk) 17:49, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why conscription and wage slavery are considered legit forms of slavery but not the GULag system or the Nazi concentration camps. --Shad Veyosiv (talk) 11:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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115.178.193.95 (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There are currently two sections covering history of slavery: "Historical" and "By country or region". Most of the examples in "By country or region" are historical examples, like Field slaves in the United States, Slavery in the Carribean, Booi Aha, etc. I think instead of having these two sections, we should organize by region and historical era.VR talk 03:05, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the move request was: moved to Template: Forced labour. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 15:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Slavery → Template:Unfree labor – (Or Template:Unfree labour; don't care which, and both should work.) This template's scope has grown to encompass unfree labo[u]r that is not (except by fringe writers) classified as slavery, such as corvée (and it could also be applied sensibly at indentured servitude, impressment, and some others). So, both the name of the template and its heading should change to "Unfree labor" (and have a template parameter to switch it to "labour", or vice versa). An alternative, with regard to the heading, would be to change it to something like "Slavery and other unfree labor" (or "..labour"). Or, use "forced" instead of "unfree"; I don't really care about the exact terminology, so much as the scope being accurate. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I processed the above RM, but noticed that Template: Unfree labour directs to a footer nav template, while Template: Unfree Labor (uppercase L) leads to a side nav template. I was trying to make sure the various American/British spellings were covered in the redirects but now I'm not sure how to proceed.. ASUKITE 15:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]