Template talk:Drum kit components

Ride or crash cymbal

The cymbal labeled as a crash could be a crash, but the average crash is smaller, and located closer to the centre of the kit. The position and size of this cymbal are much more typical of a ride cymbal. I think this should be changed. I will try to do this soon, unless objections are raised. --Tom dl (talk) 15:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Changed it to be consistent with the descriptions in Ride cymbal and Crash cymbal, as well as per comments on Talk:Drum kit. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 14:24, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image map

Just made the image into an image map. If you click on any of the drum kit components you go directly to its page and if you click outside of them you go to the image file as before. Also means you see the name of the component when you hover the mouse over it. Not changed anything else. Robert Walker (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Excellent work! If we change the image (see below) it will need to be to a new image map. Andrewa (talk) 07:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image

I'd like to change the image to File:Drums.jpg ( shown at right, top -> ), which may seem really cheeky as the one in use, File:Drum set.svg ( shown at right, below ), is a featured image. But...

The existing image doesn't show a splash cymbal or a china type, or even separate crash and ride cymbals. As the template is used or should be used on articles covering all of these, splash cymbal for example, this is a shame.

In fact, it's a pretty strange and atypical drum kit that is shown in the lower picture. Very few drummers would have three toms and only one suspended cymbal, so the image we're using, as well as being less informative than I'd like, is actually misleading. The floor tom is also a bit strange, having only four lugs (and tuning keys) and appearing to have less depth than diameter. The most common floor tom sizes are of course 16x16 and 14x14; Most good ones have eight lugs, cheaper ones six. And the rack tom angles are pure 1970s garage band, I do remember and even played such configurations back in the days before we learned about back strain, but it's now forty years or more since any well-trained drummer set them up like that. The ride cymbal position is even worse.

Comments? Andrewa (talk) 23:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... the new image I'm proposing is actually a version of an image that was used previously. It was changed [1] apparently without discussion and with the edit summary new image, from an accurate image to a showy but inaccurate one.

The contributor who made this change is the creator of the (inaccurate) image File:Drum set.svg that they then put into the template. And it's a featured image. The mind boggles. Are we a pop-art gallery, or an encyclopedia?

I guess I should post them a heads-up. Andrewa (talk) 02:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done [2]. Andrewa (talk) 02:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Status of the current picture

Interestingly, the picture I'm proposing to replace is a featured picture at Wikimedia Commmons, but not on English Wikipedia. I didn't realise there were two different processes, but there are.

Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria lists as criterion 5 in part Adds value to an article and helps readers to understand an article... and later A picture's encyclopedic value is given priority over its artistic value. On those grounds, I don't think this would qualify. It is simply misleading. Andrewa (talk) 03:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ImageMap

Here's how it would work:

ie hover over and/or click on the image to see how the imagemap works Andrewa (talk) 01:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

with some mods also in the text of the template to match the new numbering.

I'll leave this proposal here a while and seek comments elsewhere, I've already put a heads up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Instruments#Drum kit components template image. Andrewa (talk) 23:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New text would be:

Not shown

See also

Drum hardware | Drum stick | Traps case

...all inserted into the proper formatting of course. Andrewa (talk) 00:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done

In that nobody speaks, I've done it.

A more colourful image would be even better. But please:

It must be accurate. Eight lugs on the floor tom. Playable angles for the rack toms. At least two cymbals. Look at some of the real kits as played by real players in commons.

It must be complete. At least ride and crash cymbals, preferably a splash. And why not a china?

Even the most basic beginners' cymbal packs have hats, ride and crash. Not having a separate crash is ridiculous. (OK, there are a few beginners' sets that offer a crash/ride and a set of hats, but they'd never be added to a set of three toms! And a crash/ride cymbal is rare enough we don't yet have an article on it, the ride/crash cymbal even rarer.)

We didn't but I've now fixed that. Note that these cymbals are relatively rare, and kits that use one as the only cymbal rarer still but not unknown. Andrewa (talk) 23:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And all major manufacturers offer extension kits of a splash and a china to complement their beginners' packs.

And of course, imagemapped to link to all relevant articles. Andrewa (talk) 17:31, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Drumkit.jpg would be barely acceptable if it had separate numbers for the crash and ride cymbals; As it is I'd say no. But having the splash and china is a plus, they are standard parts of most kits these days.

See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Drum-kits for some other good examples of drum kit setups, but be warned there are come duds there too. To see some real setups (big and small), try

and even