Template talk:Ancient Egypt topics

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Ancient Egypt This template is within the scope of WikiProject Ancient Egypt, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Egyptological subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list: edit history watch purge Needed articles. We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have. Cleanup. To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates? Standardize the Chronology. A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563) Stub sorting Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . . Data sorting. This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library. Africa: Ancient Egypt This template is within the scope of WikiProject Africa, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Africa on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. This template is supported by WikiProject Ancient Egypt.

Box size

This template is getting pretty big. Is there anything we can edit away to keep it down? Personally, I think we could loose the "Egyptologists" line; it's not really that critical to include. Noel (talk) 03:00, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's so difficult to decide what should be in and what should be out. It's probably far too radical a proposal, but I'd prefer something like:

	Ancient Egypt: Directory of Topics

with a link to a cracking good, well organised, and complete list of related topics.

Why not? Clean and simple. If too simple, how about links to only the major articles (Pharaohs etc.) and the Portal. iggle 01:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Failing that, yes, let's lose the Egyptologists: there's not one of those articles that does its subject justice, anyway. –Hajor 04:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

With my settings this template is almost impossible to read. Fornadan (t) 08:05, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The gods bit is going to get out of control if it was filled in fully. ~~~~ 17:59, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reordering and Renaming of Deities

I just went through the deities in the template and changed a bunch of things.

• First of all, a lot of the spellings of the name were not standard: Anupu, Ausare, Aset and so on are some of the possibilities, but they are certainly not universally accepted, and many of them are long obsolete. I've kept the most often used names for most of them, using Wilkonson's Complete Gods and Goddesses as a guideline
• The group of Gods associated with the Ogdoad was puzzling. First of all, there were many Ogdoads in Egyptian history; and the heliopolis Ogdoad had, as the name suggests, eight deities, four pairs of male/female counterparts. I've kept thouse eight in there and removed the others like Shu and Geb and so on, which were not actually in the Ogdoad. Virtually any Egyptian God was associated with it.
• I can't say I agree with the War Gods, and especially Deified Concepts sections, but I'll leave them be for now. What's the source for all that? Why are, say, Min and Hapy considered deified concepts, and Amun and Geb and Nut are not? Seems like superficial grouping of some fringe modern author, without any concrete basis in actual Egyptian mythology. Flyboy Will 17:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Categories?

Why not get rid of this rather useless list (too long and biased towards religion) and just use (at most) links to various categories, for example Egyptian deities, Egyptologists, Egyptian mythology, etc.?

The template is out of control

This template is again getting out of hand: as I have my browser configured, it consumes almost the entire window! On one hand, 6 of the 12 categories concern Egyptian Gods -- can't this be trimmed down & duplicate names (like Set (mythology) pruned? On the other, there are no people included in this template -- nor any links to lead to a list of Ancient Egyptian persons, either Egyptologists or historical figures. If no one else steps up, I'll happily whittle this beast down. -- llywrch 03:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree – the above idea seems a great one, have a page that has all of the data seperated, and perhaps links to the portal and project pages, and that is it. This list also means that hundreds of pages all link to hundreds of other pages, very confusing when trying to correct names, etc. Markh 13:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone object if I just do this, nobody seems to have objected here. I will take the latest subject in the "big template" and put them into Directory of Ancient Egypt Topics, unless anyone really objects! Markh 14:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the template so that it can be hidden, so I guess the list can get as big as it likes now Markh 22:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is mad. One template cannot possibly contain every article about Ancient Egypt! It needs to be slimmed down radically - just taking the headings, perhaps: History, Geography, Sites, Architecture, Art, Mythology, Dynasties, Pharaohs, People, Language, Writing, Medicine, Egyptology, Chronology, Unsolved problems?

I know some of these articles do not exist, but they should all, as sub-pages of Ancient Egypt. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rulers of Egypt - is this a history template or a history subtemplate?

I was considering adding a "Rulers of Egypt" line to this template, but then I realised that the template is titled Ancient Egypt. So why does it have links to more recent history, including one to Modern Egypt? If anyone is interested in listing the Rulers of Egypt, see the discussion here. Carcharoth 14:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What is the point?

Could someone kindly explain to me the point of this "template"?? Is it supposed to be the Index of All the Egyptian Gods Ever Worshipped in Ancient Egypt plus some other stuff that we'll tack on for good measure anyhow but really don't care about ourselves because we're into Egyptian mythology template? Why not add the name of every king and every dynasty and period as well? "Cats in Ancient Egypt" apparently is so important a topic that it must be included but "Old Kingdom" is not. There isn't even a link to Egyptian language, only articles on writing! This is not at all useful and is frankly an eye sore, not to mention a waste of space and a reader's time. I realize it can be hidden, but why bother with it at all? It is useless, unless of course you really do need a link to the very obscure god Maahes on every single page about ancient Egypt. Just my opinion, naturally. —Flembles 08:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Revert it if you want, but I was bold... —Flembles 09:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate

I found this on a page:

Topics about Ancient Egypt edit

Places: Nile | Upper and Lower Egypt | Abu Simbel | Abydos/Abdju | Alexandria | Al Fayyum/Atef-Pehu | Amarna/Akhetaten | Dahshur | Edfu | Elephantine/Abu/Yebu | Giza | Heliopolis/Annu/Iunu | Karnak | Luxor | Memphis/Ineb Hedj | Philae/Pilak | Qift/Coptos | Rosetta | Saqqara | Tanis/Djanet | Thebes/Niwt/Waset | Valley of the Kings | Valley of the Queens
Great Ennead of Heliopolis: Atum | Shu | Tefnut| Geb | Nut (Nuit) | Osiris | Isis | Set | Nephthys
Other Major Deities: Amun | Anubis | Apep | Apis | Aten | Bast | Djehuty | Hathor | Horus | Khepri | Chons | Ma'at | Min | Neith | Ptah | Ra | Sekhmet | Sobek | Wepwawet | Heryshaf
Ogdoad of Heliopolis: Amun/Amunet | Huh/Hauhet | Kuk/Kauket | Nun/Naunet
War Deities: Anhur | Bast | Maahes | Pakhet | Sekhmet
Deified Concepts: Chons | Hapy | Ma'at | Min | Renenutet | Shai | Hu | Saa
Other Deities: Bes | Chnum | Seker | Seshat | Tawaret
Death: Mummy | Four sons of Horus | Canopic jars | Ankh | Book of the Dead | KV | Mortuary temple | Ushabti
Buildings: Pyramids | Karnak Temple | Sphinx | Great Lighthouse | Great Library | Deir el-Bahri | Colossi of Memnon | Ramesseum | Abu Simbel
Writing: Egyptian hieroglyphs | Egyptian numerals | Transliteration of ancient Egyptian | Demotic | Hieratic
Chronology: Ancient Egypt | Ptolemaic Egypt | Roman Egypt
Lists: List of Egyptian Dynasties | List of Pharaohs
Science and Culture: Medicine | Architecture | Cats in Ancient Egypt

Another possible list. -- Secisek (talk) 20:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• While I prefer the more concise template we have now, I changed the color of the current template to this color, as it looks more like the color of sand than the yellow color we had previously. I mean, when you think of Ancient Egypt, don't you think of the color of sand? A. Parrot (talk) 23:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Selection of possible color choices for the template. The original, F1F1DE, is at upper left

• I like the current compact size of the template, but I think the new color is too yellow. Of the two, I prefer F1F1DE. Whatever color is chosen, it should be applied consistently throughout the ancient Egypt wikiproject, on the Portal and various infoboxes. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 02:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The color in the center (third column, second row) looks best to me, but I don't know the code for it. If that's too dark, the one to the left of it would be my second choice. A. Parrot (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The lighter swatch is e9ddaf and the darker one is decd87. In addition to the topics template, there are I think two or three other templates that should use the same color, such as the Pharaoh Infobox and the Dynasty lists. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 22:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]