Template talk:Alabama Crimson Tide football navbox

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So how do I get the relevant dates in the template to link to the 1950-1959 article? Vidor (talk) 20:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I've done it for you. I've just gone through to each link (i.e. this one) and added "#REDIRECT [[Alabama Crimson Tide football, 1950–1959#1951]]". Obviously, just adding the correct year at the end. –  LATICS  talk  18:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dreamland Bar-B-Que

Should it be added to the Culture & Tradition section? I'm not entirely certain one way or the other. Seems like many, many fans go there prior and after the games, but I don't know if it would belong in the template. –  LATICS  talk  18:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• No. It's a restaurant. Not specifically related to the Alabama football program. Vidor (talk) 02:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1919 SIAA Champions

Info about the old SIAA is hard to come by on the Internet, and Alabama's official media guides don't even mention this, but this biography of Xen C. Scott lists the 1919 Tide as champions of the SIAA and Alabama's first ever conference championship team. Vidor (talk) 21:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. Sources here and here indicate that SIAA championships were unofficial. Never mind. Guess that's what you get from gleaning info from a book on Amazon.com that you don't have full access to. Vidor (talk) 00:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since the title is unofficial and the school does not claim it, I removed it from the template. The article on the 1919 season does a very good job of explaining the situation. A small note should probably be added to the main UA football in the conference championship section mentioning the unofficial 1919 SIAA title. 15.170.158.209 (talk) 20:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Navbox edits

@Jweiss11: I get that culture & lore is combined in most sports team infoboxes, but they don't have to be (see the one for the Eagles, Bears, Lakers, Yankees). Alabama is on par with those teams in terms of name brand, and there is clearly enough of both culture and lore related to the team for them to be separated here. I think it's pretty helpful here, as lore is honestly just a way to group games + moments (i.e. Kick Six), whereas culture is obviously things Big Al or "Dixieland Delight".

For those reasons, I think you should reconsider your revert and I don't think we need to follow a strict standard of keeping Culture & Lore items in one group. Perhaps, if you strongly disagree we should pitch this sort of question to the WikiProject's talk page?

Also think that the SEC Championship games should stay in the infobox. I think having those games in a separate infobox like how Argentina matches exists would be too far, but having the games tucked into the team's infobox makes sense, similar to how the Chiefs' infobox lists Conference championships. Soulbust (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soulbust, thanks for the message here. This template is part of a set of several hundred college football program navboxes that have all been set up with a uniform format; see Category:American college football team navigational boxes. This format is certainly not set in stone for eternity, but we should consider this class a whole when making changes. Alabama is clearly one of the most storied college football program and thus has among the most standalone articles about it, particularly when it comes to "custom and lore" items and individual games. The likes of Template:Michigan Wolverines football navbox, Template:Notre Dame Fighting Irish football navbox, Template:USC Trojans football navbox are comparable. The pro sports navboxes have lots of a structural flaws, like redundant links, links to articles on which they are not transcluded, and easter-egg links like with the retired numbers. There's definitely an issue with the championship game articles and the navboxes. It was a bit random that only 1992 and 2009 were included. Alabama has played in 14 SEC title games. It might make more sense to expand the scope of the bowl navboxes like Template:Alabama Crimson Tide bowl game navbox to include conference championship games as well. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football is a good place to discuss this stuff. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. Yeah I do agree that the pro sports teams navboxes can be pretty flawed too. Not the biggest fan of the redundancy often present or the way retired numbers are linked in those sorts of navboxes, as you mentioned.

Do think it would perhaps make more sense to have the bowl-specific navbox expanded to include the games as well, though for that specifically, I would defer to other editors and what the consensus they would theoretically land on over at the WikiProject talk.

I think personally the reason why I believe separating culture & lore items can make a lot of sense, particularly when there are ample amount of links present (as with Alabama or Michigan, etc.), is that lore items can very easily be chronologically sorted, whereas culture links are a little murkier in that regard. When they're combined into one group on a navbox template, it seems the links can become rather unorganized in the way they're listed/presented. I think this might be especially true for smaller-name schools.

That being said, your point is taken on treating the college football navboxes as a whole because of the presently uniform format. I'll see if I can just make the organization of culture & lore groupings more logical/optimal in future edits. Soulbust (talk) 22:24, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]