Talk:Precious One
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Merger
This single has no independent notability, so any relevant facts should be merged into the Minori Chihara article. --Bejnar (talk) 06:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
This single's page is more or less exactly the same as the page for singles from the same artist such as Tomorrow's chance and Paradise Lost, so I respectfully disagree with the motion to merge these articles. Arrnea (talk) 15:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Just because other articles need merging, doesn't mean this one doesn't. What is the independent notability of this single? --Bejnar (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- From the Notability page "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia". Minori Chihara is considered notable, due to her popularity in Japan (and the worldwide anime fandom, due to her roles in several high-profile Japanese animation productions) and Oricon (Japanese music chart) performance. Arrnea (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- What is the difference between a single and an album? --Bejnar (talk) 21:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Nothing, when the paragraph immediately preceding the one I quoted reads "All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and there is no criteria for notability defined for singles specifically. The only difference between the two is the number of tracks. Arrnea (talk) 04:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- You are correct, there is no specific guideline for singles. And the general guideline that you quoted provides that notability requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. So my question remains, what is the independent notability of this single? --Bejnar (talk) 05:29, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- How about the fact that it reached #5 on the Oricon (Japanese music) charts? I'd say that makes it 'independently' notable. Arrnea (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Only if that place on the charts was not based substantially on the fame of the artist. Where are the reliable sources not just mentioning that it has place #5 on the Orion chart, but dealing with the single itself, its artistic merit, its place in the cultural development of J-pop? This is an encyclopedia, not a bulletin board (Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not) like the Orion chart. Things here have to merit encyclopedic treatment, which is why we have notability guidelines. So far, the singles of Minori Chihara have nothing in them that wouldn't appropriately go in a table within her article. Think about it. --Bejnar (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- How about the fact that it reached #5 on the Oricon (Japanese music) charts? I'd say that makes it 'independently' notable. Arrnea (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- You are correct, there is no specific guideline for singles. And the general guideline that you quoted provides that notability requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. So my question remains, what is the independent notability of this single? --Bejnar (talk) 05:29, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Nothing, when the paragraph immediately preceding the one I quoted reads "All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and there is no criteria for notability defined for singles specifically. The only difference between the two is the number of tracks. Arrnea (talk) 04:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- What is the difference between a single and an album? --Bejnar (talk) 21:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- From the Notability page "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia". Minori Chihara is considered notable, due to her popularity in Japan (and the worldwide anime fandom, due to her roles in several high-profile Japanese animation productions) and Oricon (Japanese music chart) performance. Arrnea (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Cover Art
Could someone with autoconfirmed status add the cover art to the page (since I don't have that status and thus cannot upload images)? The cover art can be found at the Lantis record label's page for the single. Arrnea (talk) 16:02, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Update: Nevermind, I hit ten edits and can do it now. Arrnea (talk) 16:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Requested Move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 12:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Precious One → PRECIOUS ONE —
The official title of the single is rendered in all caps, both on the cover art and on the official Lantis website promoting the release. As such, this page should remain with its title in all-caps (PRECIOUS ONE), not as Precious One. - Arrnea (talk) 07:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters) is clear cut on this. We don't use all-caps unless the title is an acronym, which is not the case here. --DAJF (talk) 07:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Question: ILOVEYOU isn't an acronym, how do you justify that, then? mnmazur voicemail
- See WP:OTHERSTUFF. --DAJF (talk) 12:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- Question: ILOVEYOU isn't an acronym, how do you justify that, then? mnmazur voicemail
- Oppose per DAJF, WP:MOS, and previous discussions. See below for an example. --Bejnar (talk) 17:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- The bands' promoters, album designers, fans, etc all agree that their names should be ALL CAPS. This probably has something to do with a belief about the upper/lowercase distinction that is unique to Japan (namely, that it's analogous to the katakana/hiragana distinction) or anyway not held in the anglosphere (other than by anglophone fans of the bands and a few others). No style guide for English that I know of would countenance such silliness, which, whatever the motivation, comes off as vanity, gimmickry, or both. -- Hoary (talk) 14:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with DAJF. As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters).--Labattblueboy (talk) 21:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per MOS, it doesn't really matter how the band wants it. This whole thing Japanese musicians and wrestlers have with wanting their name in English to be all capitalized is frustrating as an editor, especially looking at a Dance Dance Revolution article and seeing 50 Japanese musicians names all in capitals. TJ Spyke 23:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per MOS:TM 76.66.197.17 (talk) 06:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose According to MOS:TM it should not be in all caps. Jameswa21 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
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