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To any talk page stalkers that are around, I (as a long-absent talk page stalker) only just noticed this non-free image deletion(of a stamp depicting the subject of the article), and am wondering whether it is worth contesting it? As far as I can tell from viewing the deleted version, the rationale was sound (not quite sure why it was nominated). Where is the best place to start here? The image was used in the Hope (Watts) featured article where it was commented out here. Maybe someone can also explain the removal of this image from the same article? As far as I can tell, what would be needed there is a separate non-free use rationale added to File:Old guitarist chicago.jpg? But whether that would be accepted is another matter (the differing viewpoints are whether a reader should be expected to click through to the article to see the image, or whether it is better for the reader to see the Picasso image within the article they are reading). Carcharoth (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114141000","author":"Carcharoth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Carcharoth-20241114141000-Vanjagenije-20240314235700","replies":["c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241114153800-Carcharoth-20241114141000"]}}-->
I don't have admin goggles, so I can't see the image or fair-use rationale in question, but from looking at the article WP:NFCCP#8 looks like the obvious issue – Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Given the very brief mention of the stamp, it's difficult to argue that illustrating it "significantly" increases readers' understanding of the topic. (The same argument would also apply to including an image of The Old Guitarist, if WP:NFC#UUI#6 didn't explicitly forbid this kind of use anyway.) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114153800","author":"Caeciliusinhorto-public","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241114153800-Carcharoth-20241114141000","replies":["c-Carcharoth-20241114170000-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241114153800"]}}-->
I can copy out the rationales for the stamp (image here) ("Author: original author unknown and not easily identified, copyright on textual elements will be held by Jordan Post. The central image is Hope by G. F. Watts (died 1904) and already in the public domain"; "Purpose of use: To illustrate that the image was still in popular circulation 70 years after the author's death; its use on Jordanian stamps is specifically discussed in the article" and "Replaceability: No, as it likely to be a copyrighted image and the purpose is to illustrate the image's use in the 1970s. As the graphic elements are already in the public domain, it is possible that the textual elements are below the threshold of originality."), but you are right that for the Picasso one, UUUI #6 does apply - for the record, I have always disagreed with that as articles should be self-contained (e.g. for readers who are reading an article off-line or a printed version). But I do get that some elements of NFC apply to the encyclopedia as a whole, and thus being able to refer to another part of the encyclopedia that contains the image is the line in the sand. Thank you for the advice. What do you think of the stamp rationale? Carcharoth (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114170000","author":"Carcharoth","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Carcharoth-20241114170000-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241114153800","replies":["c-Caeciliusinhorto-20241114225200-Carcharoth-20241114170000"]}}-->
Like you, I'm not entirely sure that I agree that our policy needs to be as strict as it currently is. That being said, on the question of what policy is and how it's currently applied, I think that the deletion is reasonable. Possibly a case could have been made for keeping the image, but suspect if would have been deleted regardless. The two main points I would expect to be made against any such case are: (1) "its use on Jordanian stamps is specifically discussed in the article" is overstating the situation rather. Its use on Jordanian stamps is briefly mentioned in the article; the hardline free content purist would ask what the illustration actually adds to a reader's understanding here. (2) "To illustrate that the image was still in popular circulation 70 years after the author's death": is it definitely the case that there are no possible free images which could illustrate the long-term influence of the painting? The majority of the section on §Later influence discusses its influence on Barack Obama, via Jeremiah Wright: there is certainly a free image of Obama delivering his 2004 speech on "The Audacity of Hope". Sure, it's a rubbish image, but a rubbish free image is by policy preferred to a good non-free one. The remaining alternatives are, for my money: (1) add more sourced commentary about this stamp and write a Fair Use Rationale why makes a clearer case for the importance of illustrating that stamp specifically, (2) know enough about Jordanian copyright law to determine whether or not the stamp design is likely to still be in copyright, and if it's not upload it to commons (3) choose a different image for that section. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114225200","author":"Caeciliusinhorto","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Caeciliusinhorto-20241114225200-Carcharoth-20241114170000","replies":["c-Carcharoth-20241115015800-Caeciliusinhorto-20241114225200"]}}-->
Impeccable logic. :-) May do number 3 at some point. Carcharoth (talk) 01:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115015800","author":"Carcharoth","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Carcharoth-20241115015800-Caeciliusinhorto-20241114225200","replies":["c-Iridescent-20241231031600-Carcharoth-20241115015800"]}}-->
I'll concur in not contesting the deletion. I think it was a legitimate fair use, in that it demonstrates that "Hope" remains a part of popular culture even in cultures with minimal relationship to 19th-century England. However, since it's so marginal—and since Obama provides a much more obvious and better-known example of the work continuing to be relevant—it's not worth contesting (and I will happily put my hands up to having no idea what the copyright status of a Jordainan stamp is). ‑ Iridescent03:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231031600","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Iridescent-20241231031600-Carcharoth-20241115015800","replies":[]}}-->
Thank you today for After the Deluge (painting), introduced (in 2016): ""Bright rising sun illuminating the clouds over a featureless horizon" has become such a staple image since the advent of modern photography, it's easy to forget that it had to begin somewhere. Likewise, if George Frederic Watts is remembered at all nowadays it's as the painter of formal portraits of dignitaries and of earnestly portentious paintings with titles like Love and Death and The Slumber of the Ages, not as the painter of dramatic landscapes. After the Deluge is an explicitly religious painting, yet contains no religious imagery of any kind, and is an interesting snapshot of the transition between 19th-century symbolism and 20th-century abstraction. Because this has spent the last century in the backwater of Compton rather than in a high-profile institution like the Tate Gallery or the Yale Center for British Art, there hasn't been all that much written about this particular piece so the article is shorter than usual, but I believe this collates together everything significant that there is to say about it. And yes, I know it looks like I've accidentally cut-and-pasted a chunk of body text into the wikilink but Light and Colour (Goethe's Theory)—The Morning after the Deluge—Moses Writing the Book of Genesis genuinely is the name of Turner's painting of the same subject." - We miss you. Best wishes for whatever you do! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240427072700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240427072700-TFA","replies":["c-Iridescent-20241231031800-Gerda_Arendt-20240427072700"]}}-->
Thanks. I know After The Deluge isn't the most interesting topic—and this style of painting it totally out of fashion—but I do like it, and I'm glad to have seen it have its moment in the sun. ‑ Iridescent03:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231031800","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iridescent-20241231031800-Gerda_Arendt-20240427072700","replies":[]}}-->
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Today I had reason to look at 10 years ago, and saw a great pictured comment by you. Thank you for clarification in that matter and many others. We'd need more of it, but best wishes for what you do instead! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018073800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241018073800-pictured","replies":[]}}-->
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End of an era? I dream of horses(Hoofprints)(Neigh at me)00:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201004000","author":"I dream of horses","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201004000-JJMC89_bot-20241201002600","replies":["c-Clayoquot-20241201111700-I_dream_of_horses-20241201004000"]}}-->
I hope not. Hope you are well and that we will see you back soon, Iri. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 11:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201111700","author":"Clayoquot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Clayoquot-20241201111700-I_dream_of_horses-20241201004000","replies":["c-I_dream_of_horses-20241201162200-Clayoquot-20241201111700"]}}-->
Oh, bollocks. SerialNumber5412913:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201131700","author":"Serial Number 54129","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Serial_Number_54129-20241201131700-JJMC89_bot-20241201002600","replies":[]}}-->
Still hoping they may emerge in time. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201142300","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20241201142300-JJMC89_bot-20241201002600","replies":[]}}-->
Admin tools or not, I hope Iri will be back around. Much missed. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201201600","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241201201600-JJMC89_bot-20241201002600","replies":[]}}-->
Fun though an Iridescent re-RfA would be, it would be a massive hassle for Iri, so I don't want us getting any closer to that. Also concerned; hope they don't have you in a sealed bunker somewhere or something. Please return soon, if only to tell us how we're all messing up :-( Yngvadottir (talk) 16:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203164700","author":"Yngvadottir","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yngvadottir-20241203164700-JJMC89_bot-20241201002600","replies":["c-Iridescent-20241231033100-Yngvadottir-20241203164700"]}}-->
I'm not dead, just busy. If they do want to desysop me I won't argue. I think we dinosaurs still have benefit as "admins of last resort"—our history means we can close contentious RFCs, take action against pages/editors with large fan-clubs, etc, without being bullied/intimidated by one side or the other, and I have enough of a history that "do you know who I am" is unlikely to work on me. ‑ Iridescent03:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231033100","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Iridescent-20241231033100-Yngvadottir-20241203164700","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241231202700-Iridescent-20241231033100","c-Martinevans123-20241231212000-Iridescent-20241231033100"]}}-->
Well, it's good to hear from you! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231202700","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241231202700-Iridescent-20241231033100","replies":[]}}-->
(probably very brief) Welcome back, Admino-suarus Rex. Glad you're just busy, yay!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231212000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241231212000-Iridescent-20241231033100","replies":[]}}-->
Hey, if it would simplify matters, just go ahead and block me for a while. No skin off my teeth. EEng20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231205400","author":"EEng","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-EEng-20241231205400-JJMC89_bot-20241201002600","replies":[],"displayName":"E"}}-->
You came back!! Yay! Yngvadottir (talk) 05:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101050100","author":"Yngvadottir","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yngvadottir-20250101050100-Pending_suspension_of_administrative_permissions_due_to_inactivity","replies":["c-Iridescent-20250101070800-Yngvadottir-20250101050100","c-Iridescent-20250101070800-Yngvadottir-20250101050100-1"]}}-->
I'm unlikely to be back in any very active sense for a while yet. While I'll try to check my talkpage every so often, any activity is likely to be at the "looking at things if people ask me to" rather than the "going looking for trouble" level. ‑ Iridescent07:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101070800","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iridescent-20250101070800-Yngvadottir-20250101050100","replies":[]}}--> P.S., good to see you back Martinevans123—last I saw, you'd been kicked off for reasons that look way to complicated to investigate. ‑ Iridescent07:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101070800","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iridescent-20250101070800-Yngvadottir-20250101050100-1","replies":["c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-20250101092200-Iridescent-20250101070800"]}}-->
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@Barkeep49 Iri is, at best, on a long-term Wikibreak. I dream of horses(Hoofprints)(Neigh at me)09:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203091000","author":"I dream of horses","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-I_dream_of_horses-20241203091000-Barkeep49-20241202155800","replies":["c-Iridescent-20241231033600-I_dream_of_horses-20241203091000"]}}-->
Because of my recent inactivity it's probably not appropriate for me to comment on anyone else's recent activity. (I will say that I think this kind of feedback process is a good idea. Because 99% of the routine 'feedback' one gets as an admin—or even as a general editor—is cranks and weirdos complaining, we've all been guilty of ignoring or dismissing legitimate complaints, praise, and good advice.) ‑ Iridescent03:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231033600","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Iridescent-20241231033600-I_dream_of_horses-20241203091000","replies":[]}}-->
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217151400","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-20241217151400-Io_Saturnalia!","replies":[]}}-->
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Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217173600","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-20241217173600-Season's_Greetings","replies":[]}}-->
Merry Christmas!
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Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!
Cheers
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Thanks to all three of you (Since we're still within the Twelve Days, Hanukkah and Twixmas, I can just about avoid making it "belated thanks") ‑ Iridescent03:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231035600","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iridescent-20241231035600-SchroCat-20241221083000","replies":[]}}-->
And delighted to see you back again after such a long break! - SchroCat (talk) 14:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102140400","author":"SchroCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SchroCat-20250102140400-SchroCat-20241221083000","replies":[]}}-->
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Commented up there. If they want to desysop me I won't contest it, but I'm not actively supporting it either since I think I'm still of more use as an admin. (I'll nip on over to the backlog now and do some adminny stuff, so I have logged admin actions in 2024 and the bean-counters can be happy.) ‑ Iridescent03:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231034000","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iridescent-20241231034000-JJMC89_bot-20241223001200","replies":[]}}-->
Hi, Iri. Great to see you around again. It looks like I deleted User:Arielvilla07/sandbox just as you were declining the CSD, a race condition based on when I loaded the page. As far as I know, it's common practice to apply G3's hoax subcriterion to sandboxes, if they're formatted like an encyclopedia article and obviously fictitious. WP:FAKEARTICLE says Actual fake articles should be deleted as incompatible with the purpose of the project. Pages that egregiously present false information may be tagged with {{db-hoax}}. and makes no exception for sandboxes. As a result, I'm hesitant to self-revert here, but at the same time, I don't want to step on your feet. I'm about to go to bed, so if you want to restore the sandbox, I don't object, although I'd be inclined to blank and/or MfD it if it's restored. Either way, I leave this in your capable hands. All the best. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 08:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101081900","author":"Tamzin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tamzin-20250101081900-Race_condition","replies":["c-Iridescent-20250101143800-Tamzin-20250101081900"]}}-->
I've no problem at all with the deletion. My general feeling is to allow pretty much anything in sandboxes regardless of whether it's true or not—it's certainly not unusual for someone who wants to write about (e.g.) a boxer to copy-paste the formatting of an existing boxing biography and play around to get the feel of editing, how templates work, etc. As such, I generally extend maximum AGF to sandboxes, even if what's going on in them would normally be considered vandalism. In this case, looking at Special:Contributions/Arielvilla07 it's fair to say that AGF is well past any reasonable limit. ‑ Iridescent14:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101143800","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iridescent-20250101143800-Tamzin-20250101081900","replies":["c-Tamzin-20250101235600-Iridescent-20250101143800"]}}-->
Yes, I always try to tackle sandboxes first when I look at CAT:CSD, because they have some of the worst mis-taggings. Entirely valid drafts tagged as U5, unfinished bits and bobs tagged as U5 or G3 (or G1 or G2, which don't even apply in userspace), you name it. Sometimes I wonder what some CSD taggers think sandboxes are supposed to be used for, because it's apparently neither testing nor drafting. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 23:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101235600","author":"Tamzin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tamzin-20250101235600-Iridescent-20250101143800","replies":[]}}-->
I've been completely incommunicado myself (but lurked a bit), so I'm gingerly picking up the threads. Mainly cleaning up the junk that's got into some of my favourite articles and trying to avoid the politics because if anything, the place has simply got even more toxic and chaotic than when I left it almost exactly 2 years ago.
Anyway, I'm so relieved to know you're alive and kicking. Happy New Year! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102115200","author":"Kudpung","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kudpung-20250102115200-Welcome_back!","replies":[],"displayName":"Kudpung \u0e01\u0e38\u0e14\u0e1c\u0e36\u0e49\u0e07"}}-->
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