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Is this box about Tokyo-to or Greater Tokyo Area? Why Chiba Monorail is in but the New Shuttle is out? Soredewa 09:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-09T09:47:00.000Z","author":"Soredewa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soredewa-2007-02-09T09:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fg2-2007-02-09T10:37:00.000Z-Soredewa-2007-02-09T09:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Its name doesn't say, but clearly, it's not limited to Tokyo. The line "Chiba Monorail • Enoden • Hokusō • Saitama • Shin-Keisei • Shōnan Monorail • Sōtetsu • Tama Monorail • Tōyō Rapid • Yokohama MM • Yokohama Subway" is almost entirely outside Tokyo. (The Tama Monorail is entirely inside Tokyo, though.) Fg2 10:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-09T10:37:00.000Z","author":"Fg2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fg2-2007-02-09T10:37:00.000Z-Soredewa-2007-02-09T09:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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reorganisation needed

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I would like to re-arrange things on this page like the sample below (other than internal order of items) - does anyone have any objections or other suggestions ?

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Mass transit in the Greater Tokyo area

Metro lines ●Chiyoda - ●Fukutoshin - ●Ginza - ●Hanzōmon - ●Hibiya - ●Marunouchi - ●Namboku - ●Tōzai - ●Yūrakuchō

Toei lines Subway: ●Asakusa - ●Mita - ●Ōedo - ●Shinjuku - Streetcar: Arakawa

JR lines ●Yamanote - ●Chūō - ●Chūō-Sōbu - ●Jōban - ●Keihin-Tōhoku -　●Yokohama - ●Keiyō - ●Saikyō - ●Shōnan-Shinjuku - ●Sōbu - ●Tōkaidō - ●Yokosuka

Major Private Companies Keikyū - Keiō - Keisei - Odakyū - Seibu - Tōbu - Tōkyū

Other rail services Enoden - Hokusō - Shin-Keisei - Sōtetsu - SR - Tōyō Rapid - Yokohama Rapid - Yokohama Subway - TWR - TX - Sôbu Nagareyama

Monorails & Guidways Tokyo Monorail - Tama Monorail - Nippori-Toneri - Tokyo Chiba Monorail - New Shuttle - Seaside Line - Shōnan Monorail - Yurikamome - Yukarigaoka - Leo-liner

Terminals Akihabara - Asakusa - Ikebukuro - Kita-Senju - Oshiage - Shibuya - Shinagawa - Shinjuku - Tōkyō - Ueno

Miscellaneous PASMO - Passnet - Suica - Transportation in Greater Tokyo

Looks more or less fine to me, however;

• JR Yokohama Line should be placed between Tokaido and Yokosuka (which I already edited so).
• Other rails and Monorails/Guideways can be sorted alphabetically as well.
• I guess "AGT" is more suitable expression than "Guideways".
• Chiba Monorail, not Tokyo Chiba Monorail.
• If we are completist to include Nagareyama Line and Yukarigaoka Line, then we can possibly include Disney Resort, Shibayama Railway, Ueno Monorail, and a few more JR Lines as well. I personally wouldn't include those (for the fear of the list getting too large), but I won't oppose others try to do so. Kzaral 23:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-14T23:53:00.000Z","author":"Kzaral","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kzaral-2007-07-14T23:53:00.000Z-reorganisation_needed","replies":["c-Kzaral-2007-07-15T02:38:00.000Z-Kzaral-2007-07-14T23:53:00.000Z","c-Fg2-2007-07-15T04:16:00.000Z-Kzaral-2007-07-14T23:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oops, you already said about internal order of items. Sorry. Kzaral 02:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-15T02:38:00.000Z","author":"Kzaral","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kzaral-2007-07-15T02:38:00.000Z-Kzaral-2007-07-14T23:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'd suggest removing everything that doesn't operate inside Tokyo. If you want to add a new template for transit in Greater Tokyo, that would be a good place to put all the lines that do not operate within Tokyo. Also, the open circles for the subway lines are barely visible, and the color is completely imperceptible. I'd suggest using filled-in circles for the subway lines, or squares or something else that makes the colors easy to see. The circles on the Talk page are easy to see (but not in color). Fg2 04:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-15T04:16:00.000Z","author":"Fg2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fg2-2007-07-15T04:16:00.000Z-Kzaral-2007-07-14T23:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kzaral-2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-07-15T04:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm rather negative (though not strongly) toward splitting the template to Tokyo proper and Greater Tokyo. Most commuter lines go across prefecture boundaries, so listing those on the "Tokyo only" template look a little odd to me. If you exclude them, then it's more like having a Tokyo Subway template (which itself is not a bad idea, though). Also, if we are to split the template, would the Greater Tokyo template include lines inside Tokyo proper? Excluding them makes the template inconvenient ("template for lines in Greater Tokyo but not in Tokyo proper" doesn't make much sense), while including them makes repetitive for those lines. Kzaral 18:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z","author":"Kzaral","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kzaral-2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z-Fg2-2007-07-15T04:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fg2-2008-07-03T09:59:00.000Z-Kzaral-2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Returning to this topic of a year ago, I'm not sure I made my proposal clear. What I proposed is to make "Tokyo Transit" cover all lines that operate wholly or partly within the boundaries of Tokyo. I think this would include all the lines that are in the JR, Tokyo Metro, and Toei sections of the template. In Major/semi-major, it would exclude Shin-Keisei and Sotetsu. In the Suburban/JR section, Kawagoe, Mito, Negishi, Ryomo, Sagami, Takasaki, Togane, Tsurumi, and Uchibo. Suburban, Non-JR: exclude all. Terminals: Keep those in Tokyo; exclude Chiba, Kawasaki, Omiya, Yokohama. (Incidentally, is Otemachi a major terminal? It's certainly a major junction... .) I've probably made mistakes, and so this list is not the final proposal.

So, addressing Kzaral's concern that most commuter lines go across prefectural boundaries, this proposal would keep lines that cross the prefectural boundaries of Tokyo. It would exclude lines that do not operate in Tokyo. This seems reasonable for a template named "Tokyo transit." It also provides a clear inclusion criterion. (Itsukaichi Line is in, Nikko Line is out). Incidentally, I would include or exclude on the basis of line, not service. (This is a bit of a change from last year's proposal.) More specifically, even though through service from X via some other line to Tokyo might be available, if the X line itself doesn't have some track or station in Tokyo, it's excluded. Fg2 (talk) 09:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-03T09:59:00.000Z","author":"Fg2","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fg2-2008-07-03T09:59:00.000Z-Kzaral-2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

In Talk:Automated guideway transit, there is an unsettled argument whether human-operated guideway transit like New Shuttle is an AGT or not. I think it is safer to use Guideway. Soredewa 08:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-15T08:05:00.000Z","author":"Soredewa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soredewa-2007-07-15T08:05:00.000Z-reorganisation_needed","replies":["c-Kzaral-2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z-Soredewa-2007-07-15T08:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

I see. Thanks for the info. Kzaral 18:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z","author":"Kzaral","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kzaral-2007-07-22T18:45:00.000Z-Soredewa-2007-07-15T08:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Can somebody tell me the difference between the JR and Suburban categories? Also, shouldn't the Itsukaichi and Nikko Lines be included? 210.154.111.178 (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-01T17:09:00.000Z","author":"210.154.111.178","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-210.154.111.178-2008-07-01T17:09:00.000Z-reorganisation_needed","replies":["c-Kzaral-2008-07-03T09:12:00.000Z-210.154.111.178-2008-07-01T17:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

"JR" runs in Tokyo proper (at least partially), while "suburban" does not. The wording isn't most appropriate, but you had to make the template as compact as possible. As for Nikko Line, I imagine it was not included because it's not the part of Tokyo Suburban Area network designated by JR East. Then again, it means Itsukaichi Line could be included here. Kzaral (talk) 09:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-03T09:12:00.000Z","author":"Kzaral","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kzaral-2008-07-03T09:12:00.000Z-210.154.111.178-2008-07-01T17:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I reorganized the template, merging the lines in Tokyo Metropolis and other areas. Hopefully this is less confusing, but perhaps JR have too many lines now. Kzaral (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-03T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Kzaral","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kzaral-2008-07-03T10:08:00.000Z-reorganisation_needed","replies":[]}}-->

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Terminal Station

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"Terminals Akihabara - Asakusa - Ikebukuro - Kita-Senju - Oshiage - Shibuya - Shinagawa - Shinjuku - Tōkyō - Ueno"

I don't know what the precise definition of "Terminal" is, but I can think of many stations that belong on this list far before Oshiage and Asakusa. What happened to Ootemachi? Shinbashi? Takadanobaba?

And if Tokyo transit refers to the Tokyo area, you'd have Yokohama, Omiya, Kawasaki... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.102.40.224 (talk) 15:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-09-06T15:40:00.000Z","author":"124.102.40.224","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-124.102.40.224-2007-09-06T15:40:00.000Z-Terminal_Station","replies":["c-Kzaral-2007-10-18T20:59:00.000Z-124.102.40.224-2007-09-06T15:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Points taken. :-) Kzaral 20:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-10-18T20:59:00.000Z","author":"Kzaral","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kzaral-2007-10-18T20:59:00.000Z-124.102.40.224-2007-09-06T15:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

What is the difference between a terminal station and a non-terminal? Kawasaki? Just because the city has a large population does not mean the "main" station is a terminal. Kawasaki has the Tokaido/Keihin-Tohoku Lines and... the Nambu Line? I think it is a mistake for Kawasaki Station to be included in the same group as stations such as Shinjuku and Tokyo, or Kita-Senju even. 210.232.38.107 (talk) 19:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T19:11:00.000Z","author":"210.232.38.107","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-210.232.38.107-2008-08-27T19:11:00.000Z-Terminal_Station","replies":[]}}-->

Also, according to the JR East homepage (http://www.jreast.co.jp/passenger/index.html) Kawasaki, which only has JR lines, has fewer passengers daily than other stations not mentioned in this section such as Shimbashi and Takadanobaba (which I doubt are "terminals" anyway). 210.232.38.107 (talk) 19:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T19:19:00.000Z","author":"210.232.38.107","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-210.232.38.107-2008-08-27T19:19:00.000Z-Terminal_Station","replies":["c-Fg2-2008-08-27T21:27:00.000Z-210.232.38.107-2008-08-27T19:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

A terminal station is the end of a line. As you noted, Kawasaki is the end of the Nambu Line; it is, in fact, a terminal station. But the template doesn't say "terminal"; it says "Major Terminals." "Major" is nebulous; we could discuss classifying by ridership, or by the class of train that terminates there (long-haul train lines end at Ueno, Tokyo, Shinjuku etc.) or other criteria. Fg2 (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T21:27:00.000Z","author":"Fg2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fg2-2008-08-27T21:27:00.000Z-210.232.38.107-2008-08-27T19:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Private lines

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"Major / semi-major lines" is really awkward and meaningless. Why not "Private rail networks"? Jpatokal (talk) 10:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-22T10:25:00.000Z","author":"Jpatokal","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jpatokal-2008-03-22T10:25:00.000Z-Private_lines","replies":[]}}-->

Odakyu Company error

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On the template, it shows The Odakyu company as having 5 lines, when in reality, there's officially only 3. Is this a typo or not? Mattokunhayashi 23:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattokunhayashi (talk • contribs)

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Sotetsu should be grouped in to "other lines"

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It has one line and one extension line. It should not deserved to be a standalone item.Jmouritz127 (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-08T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Jmouritz127","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jmouritz127-2018-05-08T22:44:00.000Z-Sotetsu_should_be_grouped_in_to_\"other_lines\"","replies":["c-Eggishorn-2018-05-09T20:56:00.000Z-Jmouritz127-2018-05-08T22:44:00.000Z","c-2A0A:A543:F97:0:D006:7858:2229:7378-2018-06-10T12:21:00.000Z-Jmouritz127-2018-05-08T22:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-09T20:56:00.000Z","author":"Eggishorn","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Eggishorn-2018-05-09T20:56:00.000Z-Jmouritz127-2018-05-08T22:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The evidence is in the article itself. Sotetsu has only one line and one extension line. Why is it a standalone item why Kanto Railway with 3 lines is grouped under others?2A0A:A543:F97:0:D006:7858:2229:7378 (talk) 12:21, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-06-10T12:21:00.000Z","author":"2A0A:A543:F97:0:D006:7858:2229:7378","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-2A0A:A543:F97:0:D006:7858:2229:7378-2018-06-10T12:21:00.000Z-Jmouritz127-2018-05-08T22:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-ElHef-2018-06-22T19:50:00.000Z-2A0A:A543:F97:0:D006:7858:2229:7378-2018-06-10T12:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Not done: I see no consistent standard within this template that leads me to change what's already there. If you still feel this needs to be changed, you may want to seek out editors with some more expertise by starting a discussion at WikiProject Trains in Japan (or possibly WikiProject Trains or WikiProject Japan, they're a bit more active). ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-06-22T19:50:00.000Z","author":"ElHef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ElHef-2018-06-22T19:50:00.000Z-2A0A:A543:F97:0:D006:7858:2229:7378-2018-06-10T12:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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adding Yokohama Air Cabin to Funiculars and aerial lifts section its opended in April 22, 2021 Alirealasad (talk) 08:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T08:34:00.000Z","author":"Alirealasad","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alirealasad-2021-07-30T08:34:00.000Z-Adding_Yokohama_Air_Cabin_to_Funiculars_and_aerial_lifts_section","replies":["c-Cards84664-2021-07-30T14:48:00.000Z-Alirealasad-2021-07-30T08:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Alirealasad:  Done Cards84664 14:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-30T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Cards84664","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cards84664-2021-07-30T14:48:00.000Z-Alirealasad-2021-07-30T08:34:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Cards"}}-->

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Hakone

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Is there a reason why the Hakone Tozan Railway, the Hakone Tozan Cable Car, the Hakone Ropeway and the Hakone Komagatake Ropeway aren't in here? All of those are in Kanagawa Prefecture and thus in the Greater Tokyo Area.

Meanwhile, the Izu Kyūkō Line is outside, and so is the Aizu Railway, even if there is through running onto them from Tokyo. Rontombontom (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240421180900","author":"Rontombontom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rontombontom-20240421180900-Hakone","replies":["c-Cards84664-20240421214100-Rontombontom-20240421180900"]}}-->

@Rontombontom: Hakone is grouped here with other Mt. Fuji area services. I will go ahead and re-sort the others you mentioned. Cards84664 21:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240421214100","author":"Cards84664","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cards84664-20240421214100-Rontombontom-20240421180900","replies":["c-Rontombontom-20240422092500-Cards84664-20240421214100"],"displayName":"Cards"}}-->

Looking at it, I don't think Hakone-Fuji-Izu Transit and Greater Tokyo Area transit should be exclusionary. The two regions intersect.

Regarding the others I mentioned, after further consideration, here is an alternative suggestion: why not create a separate line for lines with infrastructure completely outside the Greater Tokyo Area but with through services? (We have to be mindful of the East Asian usage of "line" for both infrastructure and services.) In addition to the Izu Kyūkō Line and the Aizu Railway, at least two more belong into this category: the JR East Shinonoi & Itō lines. Rontombontom (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240422092500","author":"Rontombontom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rontombontom-20240422092500-Cards84664-20240421214100","replies":[]}}-->