User talk:Dirrival/存档03

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籍贯分类

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籍贯的古今分类原则其实在分类:各地中国人。城市下面的城区其实不用分类。至于后面加“县”，我也是参照分类:湖南人。可能是因为有很多县，如分类:涉县人，不加县的话，就讲不清楚了。市这种问题就小多了，所以不用加“市”。--Berthe (留言) 2010年3月10日 (三) 12:35 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-10T12:35:00.000Z","author":"Berthe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Berthe-2010-03-10T12:35:00.000Z-\u7c4d\u8d2f\u5206\u7c7b","replies":[]}}-->

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優良條目

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您好，在下所翻譯的納粹德國禁煙運動正參選優良條目候選，希望閣下給予支持；此外，兩伊戰爭條目素質頗為不錯，下面提出的問題也不大，希望閣下同樣能支持，今天也是參選最後一天了。—Ai6z83xl3g (留言) 2010年3月11日 (四) 12:13 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-11T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Ai6z83xl3g","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ai6z83xl3g-2010-03-11T12:13:00.000Z-\u512a\u826f\u689d\u76ee","replies":[]}}-->

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弘治十八年（1505年）乙丑科殿試金榜

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弘治十八年乙丑科殿試金榜我也想看看原文，董(王巳)的名字真的這樣寫?—lauyulam (留言) 2010年4月2日 (五) 07:51 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-02T07:51:00.000Z","author":"Lauyulam","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lauyulam-2010-04-02T07:51:00.000Z-\u5f18\u6cbb\u5341\u516b\u5e74\uff081505\u5e74\uff09\u4e59\u4e11\u79d1\u6bbf\u8a66\u91d1\u699c","replies":[]}}-->

原來如此，有需要查二字是否相通。—lauyulam (留言) 2010年4月2日 (五) 08:12 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-02T08:12:00.000Z","author":"Lauyulam","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lauyulam-2010-04-02T08:12:00.000Z-\u5f18\u6cbb\u5341\u516b\u5e74\uff081505\u5e74\uff09\u4e59\u4e11\u79d1\u6bbf\u8a66\u91d1\u699c","replies":[]}}-->

小的不正常??我看上去正常啊 —lauyulam (留言) 2010年4月2日 (五) 17:11 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-02T17:11:00.000Z","author":"Lauyulam","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lauyulam-2010-04-02T17:11:00.000Z-\u5f18\u6cbb\u5341\u516b\u5e74\uff081505\u5e74\uff09\u4e59\u4e11\u79d1\u6bbf\u8a66\u91d1\u699c","replies":[]}}-->

改小前，這些僻字的字體比正常大。—lauyulam (留言) 2010年4月3日 (六) 03:08 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-03T03:08:00.000Z","author":"Lauyulam","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lauyulam-2010-04-03T03:08:00.000Z-\u5f18\u6cbb\u5341\u516b\u5e74\uff081505\u5e74\uff09\u4e59\u4e11\u79d1\u6bbf\u8a66\u91d1\u699c","replies":["c-Aaa8841-2010-04-03T04:59:00.000Z-Lauyulam-2010-04-03T03:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

給二位參考..異體字字典--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年4月3日 (六) 04:59 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-03T04:59:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-04-03T04:59:00.000Z-Lauyulam-2010-04-03T03:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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邀请投票

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余兮兄你好，在下第一次参选奖项，正在进行拓荒专家奖候选[1]，由于一些莫名其妙的票目前支持票可能还差一些且完结期已近，现邀请您投票，但无论您投的是什么票，如有不明欢迎给我留言，谢谢。－－義 [ ☎ ] 2010年4月2日 (五) 17:35 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-02T17:35:00.000Z","author":"Sinai","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sinai-2010-04-02T17:35:00.000Z-\u9080\u8bf7\u6295\u7968","replies":[],"displayName":"\u7fa9"}}-->

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Re 存疑處

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谢谢余兄，那个信息我的确想读一下。《明清進士錄》那本书我已经发现好几处错误了，权当是一处索引好了。愚弟的计划还是按照明史往后推，现在基本上与洪武四年进士有交集，但是此后还有一段路。翻译不难，不过内容过多，效率不济；但我还是觉得这样比单独写进士更能有力气（查阅方志的确非我所长）。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年4月6日 (二) 21:20 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z-Re_\u5b58\u7591\u8655","replies":["c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T23:47:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z","c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T21:57:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z","c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T22:32:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

信已收到谢谢，我也粗略看了一下。的确比我想象得还要复杂，事已至此，我相信清、民国两代可能都有人在希望完成该榜，但历史远去，问题可能更无从解答。对我们而言，既然并非该专业专家，只能做点基础的、力所能及的事情了。建小组或主题的事情我还建议从缓，毕竟现在从事者少，以后即使有人参与，多也只是签个名字而已。对己反而费时伤神。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年4月6日 (二) 23:47 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-06T23:47:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T23:47:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
朱善應該談不上“狀元”吧？（不知道誰做得那些模板，但是明史并沒有支持其為狀元，且那年沒有科舉。）—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年4月9日 (五) 21:57 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-09T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T21:57:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
那麼還是把那兩個模板修改一下吧，我覺得的確不合適。然後在作者的留言中寫句話就好了。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年4月9日 (五) 22:32 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-09T22:32:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T22:32:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-06T21:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T22:44:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T22:32:00.000Z"]}}-->
- 谢谢帮忙，我也在他留言处解释了，总是他有所贡献，提醒一下以免到时候有误会。我在过明史，许多内容相信会慢慢理清楚。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年4月9日 (五) 22:44 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-09T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T22:44:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-04-09T22:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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覃健

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请问让它自己计算得出岁数不好吗？为何[2]。－－義 [ ☎ ] 2010年4月9日 (五) 19:07 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-09T19:07:00.000Z","author":"Sinai","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sinai-2010-04-09T19:07:00.000Z-\u8983\u5065","replies":["c-Sinai-2010-04-09T19:56:00.000Z-Sinai-2010-04-09T19:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u7fa9"}}-->

您好，已阅。1.“改變分類”是指什么？2.有没有方法（或中文维基的那个）能像那样自动计算写出年龄？－－義 [ ☎ ] 2010年4月9日 (五) 19:56 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-09T19:56:00.000Z","author":"Sinai","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sinai-2010-04-09T19:56:00.000Z-Sinai-2010-04-09T19:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u7fa9"}}-->

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關於籍貫分類

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稟余兄，近來發現省級籍貫分類Category:湖南人異於他省，且甚感不便，因有關人物條目編輯，是否余兄也對此有看法？Category_talk:湖南人物分類。--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年4月19日 (一) 16:30 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-19T16:30:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-04-19T16:30:00.000Z-\u95dc\u65bc\u7c4d\u8cab\u5206\u985e","replies":["c-Aaa8841-2010-04-19T19:47:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-19T16:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

原來如此，無可奈何了。另外話說台灣近來行政區劃更動，台北縣市、台中縣市、台南縣市、高雄縣市都將合併為直轄市，分類應會隨之改變。--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年4月19日 (一) 19:47 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-19T19:47:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-04-19T19:47:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-19T16:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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大家應該關注Shizho罷免投票

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這次投票進入最後階段，討論時引發不少的爭議，雙方提出的問題漸漸浮現出來，其討論已足夠使大部份維基人判斷投票的立場。現在支持及反對者各佔一半。無論是支持還是反對也好，希望你能夠出來表態。不要做沉默的一群吧。—Flame 歡迎泡茶 2010年4月21日 (三) 00:42 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-21T00:42:00.000Z","author":"Flamelai","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flamelai-2010-04-21T00:42:00.000Z-\u5927\u5bb6\u61c9\u8a72\u95dc\u6ce8Shizho\u7f77\u514d\u6295\u7968","replies":[],"displayName":"Flame"}}-->

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未殿試

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買了中華書局《清朝進士題名錄》實體書，發現多榜進士下載有未殿試名單，是否也為之建立模板？見有些人在《清史列傳》有傳，又因有些人參加後屆殿試，故不宜併入現有殿試金榜。。。而一直忘記向余兄報告，武進西營劉氏進士23名條目已經到齊，內容往後還會再加入方志補充。因想統計族裡其他可為條目的人數，順帶請教，官員條目的門檻好像是知縣（？），但是否包括從七品？武職？又如知縣同品級有一大堆職官，是否都算數？--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年4月23日 (五) 15:37 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-23T15:37:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-04-23T15:37:00.000Z-\u672a\u6bbf\u8a66","replies":["c-Aaa8841-2010-04-24T17:27:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-23T15:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

因為在清史列傳看到一個讓我困惑的例子，才有此問。但後來又找不到在哪看到的了（暈），反正還是先處理真進士的條目，未來再次見到再說好了。
深有同感，有很多條目內容根本就是狗□倒灶...。--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年4月24日 (六) 17:27 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-24T17:27:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-04-24T17:27:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-23T15:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aaa8841-2010-05-06T04:59:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-24T17:27:00.000Z","c-Aaa8841-2010-05-06T15:01:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-24T17:27:00.000Z"]}}-->
- 想請問一下沈業富條目有什麼狀況，須改寫？--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年5月6日 (四) 04:59 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-06T04:59:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-05-06T04:59:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-24T17:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
- 喔...（一頭霧水）...--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年5月6日 (四) 15:01 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-06T15:01:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-05-06T15:01:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-04-24T17:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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金榜模板

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與其做金榜模板，何不改為條目，增加條目數？--百楽兎 2010年4月25日 (日) 23:54 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-25T23:54:00.000Z","author":"\u03a0rate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u03a0rate-2010-04-25T23:54:00.000Z-\u91d1\u699c\u6a21\u677f","replies":["c-\u03a0rate-2010-04-27T01:10:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-04-25T23:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u767e\u697d\u514e"}}-->

我認為以現在的內容就可以原原本本轉到條目空間。以後要擴充以後再說。--百楽兎 2010年4月27日 (二) 01:10 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-27T01:10:00.000Z","author":"\u03a0rate","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u03a0rate-2010-04-27T01:10:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-04-25T23:54:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u767e\u697d\u514e"}}-->

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中括號的意義

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請明確你加中括號的意義。--百楽兎 (留言) 2010年5月9日 (日) 02:46 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-09T02:46:00.000Z","author":"\u03a0rate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T02:46:00.000Z-\u4e2d\u62ec\u865f\u7684\u610f\u7fa9","replies":["c-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:38:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T02:46:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u767e\u697d\u514e"}}-->

我是指請在條目中註明括號字的意義。--百楽兎 2010年5月9日 (日) 09:38 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-09T09:38:00.000Z","author":"\u03a0rate","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:38:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T02:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:42:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u767e\u697d\u514e"}}-->

Thanks for your cooperation.百楽兎 (留言) 2010年5月9日 (日) 09:42 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-09T09:42:00.000Z","author":"\u03a0rate","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:42:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T13:21:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u767e\u697d\u514e"}}-->

例子？--百楽兎 2010年5月9日 (日) 13:21 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-09T13:21:00.000Z","author":"\u03a0rate","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T13:21:00.000Z-\u03a0rate-2010-05-09T09:42:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u767e\u697d\u514e"}}-->

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十分抱歉

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今天新去了一趟济南府学文庙，但建筑的修缮还是没有结束，所以依然没有被允许进入，拍了四张照片，也已经传上去了，可能棱星门、以及中规、中矩的合影构图稍好一些，希望能有所帮助。在下6月份后即离开济南，其后的两年半在南京度过，以后也不知道有没有机会回济南，所以当初提到的大成殿的照片也许真成为遗憾了。可能接下来的这两年半会比较忙，在维基的时间也会少很多，但仍希望在南京相关的条目中还可以帮上忙。—猫猫的日记本 (留言) 2010年5月14日 (五) 15:01 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-14T15:01:00.000Z","author":"\u732b\u732b\u7684\u65e5\u8bb0\u672c","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u732b\u732b\u7684\u65e5\u8bb0\u672c-2010-05-14T15:01:00.000Z-\u5341\u5206\u62b1\u6b49","replies":["c-\u732b\u732b\u7684\u65e5\u8bb0\u672c-2010-06-28T07:24:00.000Z-\u732b\u732b\u7684\u65e5\u8bb0\u672c-2010-05-14T15:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

国内共享资源的浏览还是没什么问题的，但上传时常常按上传键后出现“页面无法显示”，或者是因为关键词的单子太长，或者是因为教育网所限。听说到南京后不会再用教育网，也许会有一定改善，如果到时候还是如此的话，就只好给您添麻烦了。在下在家上网不太方便，更喜欢趁这段时间到处走走，所以这个夏天在维基的活动也不会太多，有新条目的话，图也先留个空吧，以后统一加上。—猫猫的日记本 (留言) 2010年6月28日 (一) 07:24 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-28T07:24:00.000Z","author":"\u732b\u732b\u7684\u65e5\u8bb0\u672c","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u732b\u732b\u7684\u65e5\u8bb0\u672c-2010-06-28T07:24:00.000Z-\u732b\u732b\u7684\u65e5\u8bb0\u672c-2010-05-14T15:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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邀請參加第八次動員令主題投票

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Dirrival/存档03您好：

第八次動員令現正進行主題投票，請踴躍參與。

是次投票將決定今次動員令的主題，故此邀請您參與這次的投票。此外同時歡迎您參與第八次動員令的相關討論。

邀請人：Ciked (留言) 第八次动员令筹备中 2010年5月23日 (日) 08:25 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-23T08:25:00.000Z","author":"Ciked","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ciked-2010-05-23T08:25:00.000Z-\u9080\u8acb\u53c3\u52a0\u7b2c\u516b\u6b21\u52d5\u54e1\u4ee4\u4e3b\u984c\u6295\u7968","replies":[]}}-->

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邀请参加第八次动员令

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第八次动员令邀请函

亲爱的维基百科用户Dirrival/存档03您好：

为了增加中文维基的条目数量，第八次动员令将在2010年7月1日开始，8月28日结束，期间欢迎阁下积极参与。

本次动员令分為大、中及小動員令，中動員令的4个主题分别是世界各地、自然与自然科学、最多语言待撰写条目和基础条目，小動員令的2个主题分别是战争及军事武器以及侵权待拯救条目。

关于本次动员令的详细规定请阁下参见：Wikipedia:动员令/第八次动员令

请收到此邀请函的维基人，利用{{subst:动员令/8}}，将此动员令贴到其他还未收到此动员令的维基人讨论页上，就算您由于各种原因不能响应本次动员令、积极建立新条目，也请帮忙散发动员令，因为能否将动员令传播出去，是历次动员令成败关键之一。大家一起合力才能提高维基的质量！

邀请人：痞子狒狒 (留言) 2010年6月2日 (三) 17:56 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-02T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Peter2006son","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter2006son-2010-06-02T17:56:00.000Z-\u9080\u8bf7\u53c2\u52a0\u7b2c\u516b\u6b21\u52a8\u5458\u4ee4","replies":[],"displayName":"\u75de\u5b50\u72d2\u72d2"}}-->

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有关模版:崇禎十三年庚辰科殿試金榜

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李令皙是崇祯十三年进士，但你编辑的模版中有李令哲却没有李令皙。想找你确认一下是不是写错了。--Berthe (留言) 2010年6月3日 (四) 18:35 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-03T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Berthe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Berthe-2010-06-03T18:35:00.000Z-\u6709\u5173\u6a21\u7248:\u5d07\u798e\u5341\u4e09\u5e74\u5e9a\u8fb0\u79d1\u6bbf\u8a66\u91d1\u699c","replies":[]}}-->

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re：理藩院尚书列表

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这等艰巨任务一个人完不成啊，兄弟帮把手？--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月6日 (日) 04:15 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-06T04:15:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-06T04:15:00.000Z-re\uff1a\u7406\u85e9\u9662\u5c1a\u4e66\u5217\u8868","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->

翻书手打，现在在打《清代职官年表》。哈，正在打清朝礼部尚书列表，不过估计今天完不成了。其他的资料还有《清季中外使领年表》《清代官员履历档案全编》《明督抚年表》《明实录（职官任免卷）》《唐尚书仆丞表》《唐刺史考》之类的。

PS：《清代科举家族》PDF版需要么？--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月7日 (一) 12:49 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z-re\uff1a\u7406\u85e9\u9662\u5c1a\u4e66\u5217\u8868","replies":["c-River1_chow-2010-06-07T13:45:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-08T04:38:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T11:15:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T11:21:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T11:44:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T12:01:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T12:11:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T23:18:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-10T10:39:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-10T10:45:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-10T14:24:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-13T01:22:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","c-River1_chow-2010-06-15T14:45:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->

- 旗籍那個。。八旗源流太難翻了。搞不定啊。你那邊能在新浪愛問上下載東西嗎？--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月7日 (一) 13:45 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-07T13:45:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-07T13:45:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-River1_chow-2010-06-07T14:28:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T13:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
  - 点击这里看能不能下载。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月7日 (一) 14:28 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-07T14:28:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-07T14:28:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T13:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
清季中外使领年表\清代官员履历档案全编\明督抚年表\明实录（职官任免卷）\唐仆尚丞郎表--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月8日 (二) 04:38 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-08T04:38:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-08T04:38:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
眼花了。什么速度快啊？尚未建立的條目？你那金榜里的就足够你忙上好一阵了。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月9日 (三) 11:15 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-09T11:15:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T11:15:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
弄传记相当之累，还动不动受提删大军的关注，我还是乖乖的弄列表吧。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月9日 (三) 11:21 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-09T11:21:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T11:21:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
一个个词条，艰巨的任务啊。点击这个，这个网站似乎你会喜欢，但我不知道如何检索。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月9日 (三) 11:44 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-09T11:44:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T11:44:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
哈哈，看到了。對了，建議用「清朝戶部滿尚書」而非「大清戶部滿尚書」，原因就不說了，僅僅是建議。我會在本周內把兵部、工部、刑部三尚書及左都御史的列表完成，以便於兄做模板。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月9日 (三) 12:01 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-09T12:01:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T12:01:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
避免麻煩而已。地方誌裏面可能會有你感興趣的吧。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月9日 (三) 12:11 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-09T12:11:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T12:11:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
我對照了《清代職官年表》與《清史稿》卷182，前者載嵇曾筠自雍正六年四月乙巳任吏部尚書后一直署任河南副總河、河東河道、南河河道直至雍正十年仍有記載署理南河河道，而勵廷儀雍正九年九月戊寅出任吏部用的是“改”字，即由刑部尚書改任吏部尚書，仍管刑部事。後者“吏部尚書”條只有嵇曾筠出任吏部尚書，而無勵廷儀，但在刑部尚書條則有記載雍正九年九月戊寅改任吏部尚書。另外，查了《雍正朝實錄》嵇曾筠與勵廷儀在雍正十年都同時被稱為吏部尚書。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月9日 (三) 23:18 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-09T23:18:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-09T23:18:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
兄，模板:同治七年戊辰科殿試金榜中徐會澧應為徐會灃。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月10日 (四) 10:39 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-10T10:39:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-10T10:39:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
慚愧，不是銳利，是我也看錯了，結果查不到籍貫，這才發現的。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月10日 (四) 10:45 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-10T10:45:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-10T10:45:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
应该是22号，看花眼了。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月10日 (四) 14:24 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-10T14:24:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-10T14:24:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
清朝吏部尚書列表1820年3月30日的干支現已修正，抱歉，過於大意了。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月13日 (日) 01:22 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-13T01:22:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-13T01:22:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->
兄，抱歉我食言了，估计这周内我都完不成剩下两部的列表了，如果能等的话，我在这周工作忙完再赶，SORRY~ --Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年6月15日 (二) 14:45 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-15T14:45:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-06-15T14:45:00.000Z-River1_chow-2010-06-07T12:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->

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警告

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請勿任意刪除模板，您的一數到五十是何意思。如閣下繼續破壞維基百科，閣下將會遭受封禁，暫時不能編輯維基百科。《洛克馬》 (留言) 2010年6月8日 (二) 19:52 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-08T19:52:00.000Z","author":"Evo101469","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Evo101469-2010-06-08T19:52:00.000Z-\u8b66\u544a","replies":["c-Dirrival-2010-06-08T19:57:00.000Z-Evo101469-2010-06-08T19:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u300a \u6d1b \u514b \u99ac \u300b"}}-->

胡亂指責只能反襯出您的無知。來者自行參看宋國華條目。余兮 (留言) 2010年6月8日 (二) 19:57 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-08T19:57:00.000Z","author":"Dirrival","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dirrival-2010-06-08T19:57:00.000Z-Evo101469-2010-06-08T19:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jsjsjs1111-2010-06-11T14:06:00.000Z-Dirrival-2010-06-08T19:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u4f59\u516e"}}-->
- (：)回應，算啦，他好像是小学生。—CHEM.is.TRY 2010年6月11日 (五) 14:06 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-11T14:06:00.000Z","author":"Jsjsjs1111","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jsjsjs1111-2010-06-11T14:06:00.000Z-Dirrival-2010-06-08T19:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"CHEM"}}-->

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re:劉於義

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啊，很抱歉修掉了中曆日期，當時想法是既為簡表則將中曆留在條目內容，簡表只留西曆版面較清晰（像劉於義這樣一堆職轉日期中西並列我自己預覽看了暈..）古籍以數記者也甚多，中曆用干支或數字也要考慮，總之還是余兄作主算！適才發現分類:清朝大學士也細分各殿閣了，看來相關列表跟分類越來越完整，實在抱歉沒時間幫忙部院大臣列表建置，甚窘…且隨之意味大多官員條目都要重整一次（倒）。另問是否要增加部院大臣的分類？--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年6月9日 (三) 18:29 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-09T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-06-09T18:29:00.000Z-re:\u5289\u65bc\u7fa9","replies":[]}}-->

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請問為什麼我的編輯被當成破壞

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請問為何我在維基百科貢獻被Kolyma視為破壞？—122.125.136.3 (留言) 2010年6月12日 (六) 14:02 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-12T14:02:00.000Z","author":"122.125.136.3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-122.125.136.3-2010-06-12T14:02:00.000Z-\u8acb\u554f\u70ba\u4ec0\u9ebc\u6211\u7684\u7de8\u8f2f\u88ab\u7576\u6210\u7834\u58de","replies":[]}}-->

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张百熙的候选

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我提名优良条目都已经6天了，可直到现在还只有3票，你看有没有需要拉一下票？--圍棋一級 (留言) 2010年6月26日 (六) 09:06 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-26T09:06:00.000Z","author":"\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a-2010-06-26T09:06:00.000Z-\u5f20\u767e\u7199\u7684\u5019\u9009","replies":[]}}-->

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祥符县文庙

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今天去了开封一趟，顺便把祥符县文庙的照片拍了一下放到条目里了，不过最近由于准备考试，可能没时间拍郑州文庙 :(—Mys 721tx(留言)-U18协会 2010年6月27日 (日) 11:21 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-27T11:21:00.000Z","author":"Mys 721tx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mys_721tx-2010-06-27T11:21:00.000Z-\u7965\u7b26\u53bf\u6587\u5e99","replies":[]}}-->

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图片问题

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本人在这里找到了一张吴荫培的照片，不知道合不合用--圍棋一級 (留言) 2010年6月29日 (二) 11:57 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-29T11:57:00.000Z","author":"\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a-2010-06-29T11:57:00.000Z-\u56fe\u7247\u95ee\u9898","replies":[]}}-->

麥迪遜民主

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這篇連英文都沒有要怎麼翻譯？

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人名

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GOOGLE“孔老二”，结果74,800，“孔子”，结果14,300,000 。GOOGLE“刘罗锅”，结果188,000，“刘墉”，结果476,000 。哪个常用？另外我得告诉您，我们编的不是文革时代的维基百科。“各种词典、学术著作提及这些人物鲜有称字号的”，CNKI搜索“纪晓岚”，全文相关记录8504条，其中博士论文310篇，硕士论文711篇，会议论文119篇。其余王龙溪、王守仁、郑板桥你可以一个个慢慢试。如果CNKI不能服人，不叫学术，我想不到还有什么可以到达你的标准。顺道说一句，维基百科:移动请求/当前做人名移动时，GOOGLE数量多少做决定是一项惯例。 —星光下的人 (留言) 2010年7月9日 (五) 14:10 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-09T14:10:00.000Z","author":"\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T14:10:00.000Z-\u4eba\u540d","replies":["c-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T15:08:00.000Z-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T14:10:00.000Z","c-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T15:21:00.000Z-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T14:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

google“刘墉”“清朝”，结果302,000 ，依旧是刘罗锅结果的1.4倍左右。搜索数字是最客观的评价标准，如果你觉得不妥，可以去维基客栈针对维基百科:命名常规 (人名)发起新讨论。—星光下的人 (留言) 2010年7月9日 (五) 15:08 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-09T15:08:00.000Z","author":"\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T15:08:00.000Z-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T14:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

坦白跟你讲，我发的唐僧、包公的移动，目的就是挑战这个命名常规。—星光下的人 (留言) 2010年7月9日 (五) 15:21 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-09T15:21:00.000Z","author":"\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T15:21:00.000Z-\u661f\u5149\u4e0b\u7684\u4eba-2010-07-09T14:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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re尚书列表

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已经更改为十月，《清代职官年表》中记载为十一月死，《清史稿》表中记载为十月死，《顺治朝实录》中未记载去世时间，只记载“（十一月丁亥），予故兵部尚书李际期、祭二次。赐葬并遣官护送回籍。”，三资料均未提及其免职时间，姑且用《清史稿》之说，至少看上去符合逻辑。--Daniel Chow (留言) 2010年7月10日 (六) 07:36 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-10T07:36:00.000Z","author":"River1 chow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-River1_chow-2010-07-10T07:36:00.000Z-re\u5c1a\u4e66\u5217\u8868","replies":[],"displayName":"Daniel Chow"}}-->

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邀請您參與ACG專題譯名投票

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{{{1}}}您好：

邀請您到ACG專題/有關正式譯名投下寶貴一票，因投票期限將於７／１５結束，我們希望至少有２５張有效票，但目前的有效票數仍然不足，希望所有維基人都能對於ACG專題投票發表您的寶貴意見。願您能抽空參與^_^，再次感謝您。我是邀請您的維基人－Jack Tao(留言) 2010年7月13日 (二) 09:25 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-13T09:25:00.000Z","author":"Happy60907","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Happy60907-2010-07-13T09:25:00.000Z-\u9080\u8acb\u60a8\u53c3\u8207ACG\u5c08\u984c\u8b6f\u540d\u6295\u7968","replies":[],"displayName":"Jack Tao"}}-->

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「正式」與「官方」定義

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現時Wikipedia_talk:ACG專題/有關正式譯名/決議投票，是指Template:Infobox animanga/name的欄位名。現時該模板的欄位名定義如下：

官方譯名：日本出版商提供的中文譯名
正式譯名：各地授權代理商所取的譯名

一般語境下「正式」包含「官方」，換言之「官方」的事物一定是「正式」的，但「正式」可以包含一些非官方的東西，而該模板把「正式」與「官方」並列，意味著「官方譯名」並非「正式譯名」之一，這跟日常用語的意義相差甚遠，恐怕對一般非ACG迷來說會引起混淆和難以理解，所以有人提出以「授權版譯名」取代現時稱為「正式譯名」的欄位（含義、用法不變，旨在正名），由於維基百科並非ACG或任何專門領域的百科，個人認為條目內容中任何名稱都應盡可能使用一般人容易理解（不需另外解說）的名稱，請在投票前了解清楚定義再作決定，謝謝--Ws227 (留言) 2010年7月13日 (二) 13:41 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-13T13:41:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-07-13T13:41:00.000Z-\u300c\u6b63\u5f0f\u300d\u8207\u300c\u5b98\u65b9\u300d\u5b9a\u7fa9","replies":[]}}-->

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Category:377年逝世页面存废讨论通知

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您好，您先前创建或编辑的页面Category:377年逝世已被列入页面存废讨论列表中，正在投票表决是否应该删除。有编者认为条目可能不符合维基百科的收录方针，并已经解释了原因。（参见维基百科不是什么）

我们欢迎您参与讨论并留下关于条目是否符合方针、应当如何处理的意见；请在WP:页面存废讨论#Category:377年逝世中留下您的意见。记得使用~~~~签名。您也可以在讨论期间改写您原先的条目，但请不要移除条目顶端的条目删除模板。谢谢合作，祝编辑愉快！UAL55 (留言) 2010年7月16日 (五) 00:49 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-16T00:49:00.000Z","author":"UAL55","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UAL55-2010-07-16T00:49:00.000Z-Category:377\u5e74\u901d\u4e16\u9875\u9762\u5b58\u5e9f\u8ba8\u8bba\u901a\u77e5","replies":[]}}-->

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北京聚会最终确认

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北京聚会的所有信息已经确定，7月25日上午9:30奇遇花园咖啡馆，总时间半天。请到此处确认最终信息。如果可以参加，请在最终确认名单中签名。--达师－ 147 － 228 2010年7月18日 (日) 16:45 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-18T16:45:00.000Z","author":"Hat600","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hat600-2010-07-18T16:45:00.000Z-\u5317\u4eac\u805a\u4f1a\u6700\u7ec8\u786e\u8ba4","replies":["c-Hat600-2010-07-22T04:05:00.000Z-Hat600-2010-07-18T16:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u8fbe\u5e08"}}-->

呃，比较急的说……请一定要回复。--达师－ 147 － 228 2010年7月22日 (四) 04:05 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-22T04:05:00.000Z","author":"Hat600","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hat600-2010-07-22T04:05:00.000Z-Hat600-2010-07-18T16:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u8fbe\u5e08"}}-->

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请求帮助

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你好，本人刚到周庄旅游，拍了些照片，顺便创立了叶楚伧故居，但不知道如何编写，还请阁下帮忙--圍棋一級 (留言) 2010年7月23日 (五) 03:35 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-23T03:35:00.000Z","author":"\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a-2010-07-23T03:35:00.000Z-\u8bf7\u6c42\u5e2e\u52a9","replies":["c-\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a-2010-07-27T03:27:00.000Z-\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a-2010-07-23T03:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

本人感谢你的回应，可本人不擅长编写古迹条目，还有请你协助。谢谢--圍棋一級 (留言) 2010年7月27日 (二) 03:27 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-27T03:27:00.000Z","author":"\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a-2010-07-27T03:27:00.000Z-\u570d\u68cb\u4e00\u7d1a-2010-07-23T03:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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十五道

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有整理出都察院十五道（含掌道、巡城、巡鹽等）的想法，但躊躇不知要編寫入都察院條目或是監察御史，或如百度另立條目。余兄可有想法？--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年7月25日 (日) 16:58 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-25T16:58:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-07-25T16:58:00.000Z-\u5341\u4e94\u9053","replies":["c-Dirrival-2010-07-28T16:25:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-07-25T16:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

愚以為都察院十五道在都察院和監察御史的條目下都應提及，側重點有不同，如果沒有詳細任免名單的話，就不必另立條目了吧。劉兄抱歉，我最近在國內，維基速度極慢，而且你的用戶頁無法顯示，一直沒有留言，只能湊合寫在這裡了。余兮 (留言) 2010年7月28日 (三) 16:25 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-28T16:25:00.000Z","author":"Dirrival","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dirrival-2010-07-28T16:25:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-07-25T16:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u4f59\u516e"}}-->

啊啊沒關係啦……因為史稿直接寫「十五道監察御史」，後接各道御史職掌與沿革（主體為御史），放在監察御史條下應沒問題，但若十五道作為都察院下屬機關放在都察院條下則幾乎完全重複（仍是各道職掌與沿革），故甚煩惱。查有書名《國朝御史題名錄》，但遍尋不得，似已在台灣島上絕跡…--Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年7月29日 (四) 06:29 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-29T06:29:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-07-29T06:29:00.000Z-\u5341\u4e94\u9053","replies":[]}}-->

投票请求

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你好，本人编辑的潮阳区正自荐为优良条目候选，希望过去支持或给出意见，谢谢天地一沙鸥，人间任我行 (留言)

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邱少云确是自焚死

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你好Dirrival，邱少云自愿被火烧死，我认为可以加入Category:中国自焚人物，你说对不？—Humorright (留言) 2010年8月3日 (二) 03:37 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-03T03:37:00.000Z","author":"Humorright","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Humorright-2010-08-03T03:37:00.000Z-\u90b1\u5c11\u4e91\u786e\u662f\u81ea\u711a\u6b7b","replies":["c-Humorright-2010-08-03T06:50:00.000Z-Humorright-2010-08-03T03:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

我想在认定他自杀及自焚这一点上我们应当没有分歧，毕竟他没有被绑住，自己放弃了逃生的可能。自焚的唯一判断标准是他的意愿，至于火是谁放的，毙命的场所是战场还是家中，是否身负党和人民的嘱托，对判定自焚没有意义。—Humorright (留言) 2010年8月3日 (二) 06:50 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-03T06:50:00.000Z","author":"Humorright","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Humorright-2010-08-03T06:50:00.000Z-Humorright-2010-08-03T03:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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机器人创建条目

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嗨，余兄。我有一个不是很成熟的想法：我们是否可以用机器人把一系列进士和文物单位的条目快速建立？Dingar君启动他的机器人Dingar-bot建立了一系列行政单位，这个极大减省了时间和精力。我觉得把此类制作改成文物单位，也可以迅速把国保单位变蓝；但是进士人物条目比较复杂，如果贸然制作会被人以关注度问题提删。不知道阁下愿意怎么处理进程？谢谢。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年8月29日 (日) 23:39 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-29T23:39:00.000Z-\u673a\u5668\u4eba\u521b\u5efa\u6761\u76ee","replies":["c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-29T23:54:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-29T23:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

另外向兄台和Aaa8841兄说一下我现在进程，现在人物基本是洪武末期，《明史》部分已写完建文事，现正涉及洪武、建文时期的六部人物；进士方面写至洪武三十年榜（春秋榜）。如果没问题的话，洪武一代的重要历史人物事件在本月末前会基本逐渐齐备（朱元璋、徐达、刘基、常遇春应有优良潜质，但须借以时日）。不知道维基中还有那些同仁同时编写明清人物，如果有的话大家最好坐下来一同制定编辑战略。谢谢。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年8月29日 (日) 23:54 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T23:54:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-29T23:54:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-29T23:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-31T17:45:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-29T23:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

对，主要是数据库不成熟，我现在只能是在编辑按钮扩展中增加User:Walter_Grassroot/customEdittools.js类似的字符，以提高效率。但是肯定不如机器人做好。现在那个机器人在做行政区划条目，我觉得技术已经很成熟了。我再找寻一下数据库，实在不行还是手动吧。谢谢了。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年8月31日 (二) 17:45 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T17:45:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-31T17:45:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-08-29T23:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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re:𥡅

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原來如此，所以還是把僻字模板加回去好了。我是能顯示，所以才移除模板。當初在各輸入法遍尋不得此字啊—Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年8月30日 (一) 15:50 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T15:50:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-08-30T15:50:00.000Z-re:\ud856\udc45","replies":[]}}-->

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今年有本书专门讲述嘉祐二年丁酉科进士的

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曾枣庄的《文星璀璨：北宋嘉祐二年贡举考论》，你应该会兴趣看，特此相告：——）天地一沙鸥，人间任我行 (留言) 2010年9月3日 (五) 23:08 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-03T23:08:00.000Z","author":"Polar1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Polar1-2010-09-03T23:08:00.000Z-\u4eca\u5e74\u6709\u672c\u4e66\u4e13\u95e8\u8bb2\u8ff0\u5609\u7950\u4e8c\u5e74\u4e01\u9149\u79d1\u8fdb\u58eb\u7684","replies":["c-Dirrival-2010-09-06T11:54:00.000Z-Polar1-2010-09-03T23:08:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u5929\u5730\u4e00\u6c99\u9e25\uff0c\u4eba\u95f4\u4efb\u6211\u884c"}}-->

謝謝Polar兄。宋朝的科举也很有意思，每科更是人才辈出，我准备编写宋朝进士时买一本《宋登科记考》来参考。余兮 (留言) 2010年9月6日 (一) 11:54 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T11:54:00.000Z","author":"Dirrival","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dirrival-2010-09-06T11:54:00.000Z-Polar1-2010-09-03T23:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u4f59\u516e"}}-->

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孫遠

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余兄，我按照《明史》编写了这个条目，其中说到他是正统七年进士；但是我在模板:正統七年壬戌科殿試金榜金榜中没有找到，其中有同姓的“孫振望”，不知是否为一人？请帮忙查证，谢谢。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年9月4日 (六) 16:27 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z-\u5b6b\u9060","replies":["c-Polar1-2010-09-06T00:11:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z","c-Aaa8841-2010-09-06T03:41:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z","c-Dirrival-2010-09-06T11:50:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

《明史》关于个别进士的登科年代是有误的，而《明清进士题名碑录索引》一书也是有多方面错误的。大概可以找下陈长龙的《<明史>人物登科年代考误》，《<明清进士题名碑录索引>校误》。不知这两篇论文是否刚好有说到这个人物呢？不过我没看过这两篇论文。天地一沙鸥，人间任我行 (留言) 2010年9月6日 (一) 00:11 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T00:11:00.000Z","author":"Polar1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Polar1-2010-09-06T00:11:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-06T01:36:00.000Z-Polar1-2010-09-06T00:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u5929\u5730\u4e00\u6c99\u9e25\uff0c\u4eba\u95f4\u4efb\u6211\u884c"}}-->

这点我赞同，我已经发现《明史》一个洪武进士的日期弄错，不过阁下的那篇论文我找不到免费的，您有PDF么？我干脆给阁下、Aaa8841、River1 chow写封电邮（最好用gmail回复，我已经有余兄的信箱），我们可以在那里共享资料（Google Document）或者群发信件和附件，比这里跳来跳去回话方便许多了，也便于新的明清历史朋友加入（届时增加个收信人名字即可）。谢谢。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年9月6日 (一) 01:36 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T01:36:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-06T01:36:00.000Z-Polar1-2010-09-06T00:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

查咸豐《瓊山縣志》卷十九·人物志·鄉賢頁五（直接輸入頁碼為7），《明史》所載孫遠當為薛遠之誤，乃薛祥之孫，故《明史》薛遠傳附於薛祥傳後。模板:正統七年壬戌科殿試金榜三甲八十八名無誤，而縣志中有注「明史薛祥傳」所以或許是維基文庫版本問題。—Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年9月6日 (一) 03:41 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T03:41:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-09-06T03:41:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-06T05:41:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-09-06T03:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
- 谢谢Aaa8841兄提醒，怪我自己阅读不慎。上次就在羅復仁、羅汝敬上犯错。—Walter Grassroot☸留墨存香 2010年9月6日 (一) 05:41 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T05:41:00.000Z","author":"Walter Grassroot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-06T05:41:00.000Z-Aaa8841-2010-09-06T03:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
周末没有来得及查，几位已经把问题解决了。古代列传挺喜欢把祖孙父子同传的，后面就把姓省略了，直接说子某、孙某。引用原文的时候可以把“孙远”前面加上括号（薛祥）孙远这样就不容易引起误解了。另外希望浙大的历代进士项目能够尽快完成。余兮 (留言) 2010年9月6日 (一) 11:50 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T11:50:00.000Z","author":"Dirrival","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dirrival-2010-09-06T11:50:00.000Z-Walter_Grassroot-2010-09-04T16:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aaa8841-2010-09-06T12:17:00.000Z-Dirrival-2010-09-06T11:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u4f59\u516e"}}-->
- 原來是「孫遠」，我今早沒會意過來，還以為是版本訛誤XD—Aaa8841 (留言) 2010年9月6日 (一) 12:17 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T12:17:00.000Z","author":"Aaa8841","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aaa8841-2010-09-06T12:17:00.000Z-Dirrival-2010-09-06T11:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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會試同年齒錄

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先打个招呼。看到明清进士都是你录入的，一定废了很大工夫吧。有时觉得这些到底有没有意义，很多进士后来碌碌无为，生平难考；但如果是要做这个工作，互联网自然是最好的地方，而维基自然是最好的平台。

Google Books 最近把哈佛图书馆的一些藏书搬到网上，其中有清末几科的《同年齿录》（有会试也有乡试），其中不乏有用的资料。就是想告诉您一声。例如周学铭的履历 http://books.google.com/books?id=5WIsAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT732#v=onepage&q&f=false Liuyao (留言) 2010年9月7日 (二) 00:00 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T00:00:00.000Z","author":"Liuyao","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:00:00.000Z-\u6703\u8a66\u540c\u5e74\u9f52\u9304","replies":["c-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:06:00.000Z-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:00:00.000Z","c-Liuyao-2010-09-07T22:11:00.000Z-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

提醒一下，Google把页的顺序弄反了（第一页在最后）。其实这样看也还算方便，如两页两页的看，只要记住是反的就行。Liuyao (留言) 2010年9月7日 (二) 00:06 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T00:06:00.000Z","author":"Liuyao","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:06:00.000Z-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Polar1-2010-09-08T09:22:00.000Z-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

大陆早就将清代硃卷集成一书数码化了天地一沙鸥，人间任我行 (留言) 2010年9月8日 (三) 09:22 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-08T09:22:00.000Z","author":"Polar1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Polar1-2010-09-08T09:22:00.000Z-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u5929\u5730\u4e00\u6c99\u9e25\uff0c\u4eba\u95f4\u4efb\u6211\u884c"}}-->

看來您早就知道了，見笑了。我再露回怯：對明清史料研究最權威的還是房兆楹、杜聯喆夫婦。他們參與的兩部英文巨著（《清代名人傳略》《明代名人傳》）補充了好多正史所欠缺的，不知道您有沒有參考。其實這些條目都應該全文放到網上。我知道好像有人在做《清》的 http://www.dartmouth.edu/~qing/portal.shtml ，不過只有少數條目，不知道怎麼回事 Liuyao (留言) 2010年9月7日 (二) 22:11 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Liuyao","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liuyao-2010-09-07T22:11:00.000Z-Liuyao-2010-09-07T00:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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:反位效應

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你爲甚麼刪除模板？它有來源嗎？那個只是站内所謂例子--Coekon (留言) 2010年9月10日 (五) 13:12 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T13:12:00.000Z","author":"Coekon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:12:00.000Z-:\u53cd\u4f4d\u6548\u61c9","replies":[]}}-->

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氙酸盐

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我標的模板有錯嗎？爲甚麼移去--Coekon (留言) 2010年9月10日 (五) 13:16 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T13:16:00.000Z","author":"Coekon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:16:00.000Z-\u6c19\u9178\u76d0","replies":[]}}-->

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re:

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力所能及的我會。加模板是提醒作者及其它人將其改善。希望將他們先還原再説。謝謝--Coekon (留言) 2010年9月10日 (五) 13:20 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T13:20:00.000Z","author":"Coekon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:20:00.000Z-re:","replies":["c-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:28:00.000Z-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:20:00.000Z","c-Coekon-2010-09-10T22:02:00.000Z-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

建議還是加上模板吧，提醒下這些文章的作者，user talk:wyang他所編的80%以上都沒有來源--Coekon (留言) 2010年9月10日 (五) 13:28 (UTC)。[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T13:28:00.000Z","author":"Coekon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:28:00.000Z-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
對於沒有任何來源的條目，加個模板是必須的，而且一日這麼多條目沒有來源。如果要巡查者全部加上是不可能的。新條目的編者按理會特別留意自己的條目，所以可以譲他們自己加上。至於擴充模板，我有些地方確實掛錯，望原諒。--Coekon (留言) 2010年9月10日 (五) 22:02 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T22:02:00.000Z","author":"Coekon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Coekon-2010-09-10T22:02:00.000Z-Coekon-2010-09-10T13:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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10月1日DYK推荐投票似乎不是很踊跃

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而被提名的条目却大都符合DYK的标准。欢迎对这些条目WP:DYKN#10月01日发表意见。—思域无疆_{讲大道做事体} 2010年10月4日 (一) 08:36 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-04T08:36:00.000Z","author":"Siyuwj","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Siyuwj-2010-10-04T08:36:00.000Z-10\u67081\u65e5DYK\u63a8\u8350\u6295\u7968\u4f3c\u4e4e\u4e0d\u662f\u5f88\u8e0a\u8dc3","replies":[],"displayName":"\u601d\u57df\u65e0\u7586"}}-->

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感激

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剛剛看到閣下將和珅條目整理得井井有條，特來致謝，有些我平時都沒有留意到的積弊都找到了,我會盡快補充來源，以及修改條目的用字。若果你發現問題的話，還請指正。--Hex shan (留言) 2010年10月10日 (日) 09:49 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-10T09:49:00.000Z","author":"Hex shan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hex_shan-2010-10-10T09:49:00.000Z-\u611f\u6fc0","replies":[]}}-->

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re张英麟

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多谢提醒，在下疏忽--Ciked (留言) 第八次动员令 2010年10月10日 (日) 10:08 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-10T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Ciked","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ciked-2010-10-10T10:08:00.000Z-re\u5f20\u82f1\u9e9f","replies":[]}}-->

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和珅条目

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不好意思啊~我不是和珅条目的主要编辑者，User:Hex shan才是…… 囧rz……，我只是进行了一些格式方面的修正……Hex shan兄花了很多时间在这个条目上，而且对这个人物比较了解，您可以与他进行交流和合作。另外，如果有需要帮忙的，请尽管开口，应该是我来协助各位，呵呵~ AlexHe34 (留言) 2010年10月10日 (日) 13:49 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-10T13:49:00.000Z","author":"AlexHe34","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AlexHe34-2010-10-10T13:49:00.000Z-\u548c\u73c5\u6761\u76ee","replies":[]}}-->

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Re: 張之洞

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如此是不是所有排著叫的人都需要加這個模板？比如張之洞和張之萬，李鴻章和李鴻藻？是的，這樣可以令閱讀的人認識更多條目。總括來說，我這樣做的目的就是盡能力去傳播不同範疇的知識。AU-YEUNG Ching-Yi (留言) 2010年10月15日 (五) 10:17 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T10:17:00.000Z","author":"Auyeungchingyi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Auyeungchingyi-2010-10-15T10:17:00.000Z-Re:_\u5f35\u4e4b\u6d1e","replies":[],"displayName":"AU-YEUNG Ching-Yi"}}-->

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Re:氏族

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不是全部，只是部份，家族是規模比較小的，通常有一個家主，氏族範圍較大，兩者之間還有宗族、門中等，宗族、門中有可以追溯的開基祖。但這樣也不是完全準確的分法，因為家族、宗族、門中的界線很模糊，氏族的界線較為清晰，那些同一祖籍又同姓的人則可歸為同一氏族，因為氏族是一個想像有共同祖先的群體，他們實際上的血緣關係未必可以稽考，即使有族譜也常會有附會的情況，這樣不適合用「家族」--Ws227 (留言) 2010年10月24日 (日) 18:00 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T18:00:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-10-24T18:00:00.000Z-Re:\u6c0f\u65cf","replies":["c-Ws227-2010-10-24T18:18:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-10-24T18:00:00.000Z","c-Ws227-2010-10-24T20:12:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-10-24T18:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

「氏族」對應英文的clan（可參考英文版或其他語言版本的內容），本身clan就有「上古社會組織」和「想像血緣集團」兩種不同的意義，後一種意思較為接近的是宗族或門中，與家族距離較遠，另外中文是分析語，很多名稱都是詞組配搭而成，不宜因為google結果沒有就視為原創研究，而且google也不是沒有「某姓氏族」的結果。另外可參考一下Category:日本氏族--Ws227 (留言) 2010年10月24日 (日) 18:18 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-10-24T18:18:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-10-24T18:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

如:果改為宗族我可以接受，但有些已經不止十幾代了，基本上不同分支（房）的已經不會視為同一家族了--Ws227 (留言) 2010年10月24日 (日) 20:12 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T20:12:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-10-24T20:12:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-10-24T18:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

氏族也不是和製詞，唐代的《氏族志》所收錄的「氏族」就是某地某氏一類的東西，一個氏族又有不同宗族或門中，日本的氏族概念也是源自中國，朝鮮則常以「本貫」（祖籍）一詞代指氏族，但這只是借代手法，本貫（祖籍）不等同氏族本身--Ws227 (留言) 2010年10月24日 (日) 20:18 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T20:18:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-10-24T20:18:00.000Z-Re:\u6c0f\u65cf","replies":["c-Ws227-2010-10-24T20:24:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-10-24T20:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

我也同意改為宗族，那麼要手動更改還是等有操作機械人的維基人去改？--Ws227 (留言) 2010年10月24日 (日) 20:24 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T20:24:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-10-24T20:24:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-10-24T20:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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瑞士市镇

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根据中文维基的命名习惯，一般都叫“瑞士市镇”、“瓦莱州市镇”，似乎不应该叫“瑞士的市镇”、“瓦莱州的市镇”吧？--Hennessy (留言) 2010年10月27日 (三) 14:09 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-27T14:09:00.000Z","author":"Hennessy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hennessy-2010-10-27T14:09:00.000Z-\u745e\u58eb\u5e02\u9547","replies":["c-Hennessy-2010-10-27T14:50:00.000Z-Hennessy-2010-10-27T14:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

也许这样的命名让您觉得不舒服，但事实上一直以来中文维基绝大部分的分类都是遵循这样的习惯。注意到您刚刚创建的日内瓦州市镇列表（Municipalities of the canton of Geneva），您并没有将其命名为日内瓦州的市镇的列表，我想同为大陆维基人，语言习惯应该是差不多的。毕竟中文维基有太多的分类都是以这样的习惯命名的，如果您觉得它不合理，是不是可以先提交社区讨论一下，取得共识后再作处理？如果您直接作处理，会使很多分类不统一，造成一定的混乱。另：关于district的分类，目前的习惯做法是将其命名为“苏黎世州行政区划”，而一般不称为“苏黎世州区”。例如，category:德国下面建立category:德国行政区划，然后下面再建立category:巴伐利亚州行政区划，将巴伐利亚州的县放在其中，而不是建立category:巴伐利亚州县或category:巴伐利亚州的县。上面几点意见，欢迎指正。--Hennessy (留言) 2010年10月27日 (三) 14:50 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-27T14:50:00.000Z","author":"Hennessy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hennessy-2010-10-27T14:50:00.000Z-Hennessy-2010-10-27T14:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hennessy-2010-10-27T15:06:00.000Z-Hennessy-2010-10-27T14:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

还有您提到的，“中文的“的”有时可以省略，但不是必须省略，有时省略会导致含义不清。比如北京大学和北京的大学，意思完全不一样”。我赞同您的意见，北京大学和北京的大学意思确实不一样，这个“的”确实不能省略，但“苏黎世州市镇”和“苏黎世州的市镇”似乎不存在什么歧义，这个“的”完全是可以省略的。--Hennessy (留言) 2010年10月27日 (三) 15:06 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-27T15:06:00.000Z","author":"Hennessy","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hennessy-2010-10-27T15:06:00.000Z-Hennessy-2010-10-27T14:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hennessy-2010-10-28T11:42:00.000Z-Hennessy-2010-10-27T15:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

1.行政区划是一级一级分下去的的，例如，category:某某州行政区划，下面用来放置“行政区”，如果“行政区”下面还有“县”，那就建立category:某某区行政区划，下面放置“县”。2.关于市镇的分类，category:某某州市镇不会产生歧义，没有牺牲精确性，所以还是希望可以采用，尽量保持中文维基分类的一致性。因为之前包括本人在内的很多维基人在地名条目及其分类上倾注了大量精力，如果轻易更改，会造成很大的混乱，为了保持一致，那就需要将其他的地名条目分类也改为类似“某某州的市镇”，那将是一个很大的工程，所以，还请您能够理解，不要轻易改变现有的地名分类，如果您确实觉得其不合理，建议在社区讨论达成共识后再进行操作，非常感谢您的理解和配合。--Hennessy (留言) 2010年10月28日 (四) 11:42 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T11:42:00.000Z","author":"Hennessy","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Hennessy-2010-10-28T11:42:00.000Z-Hennessy-2010-10-27T15:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Re:東亞人物模板

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現時太多作用重複的模板，混亂與否見仁見智，個人認為欄位清晰即可，欄位數目不是問題，不用的欄位可以在條目中刪除。反之我也覺得明清人物模板在某些方面過於簡略--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月4日 (四) 12:42 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T12:42:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-04T12:42:00.000Z-Re:\u6771\u4e9e\u4eba\u7269\u6a21\u677f","replies":["c-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:13:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T12:42:00.000Z","c-Ws227-2010-11-04T15:20:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T12:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

親屬方面分別列出其實有其必要，也許明清時代嫡庶之分已經沒有前代嚴格，但此模板是為了減省太多類似的模板而設，也要照顧前代的情況。另外親屬及婚姻方面的資料有助研究各時代社會史，還有各個家族或宗族之間的聯姻關係。現時該模板已稍作修改，應該改善了長短不一的問題--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月4日 (四) 13:13 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T13:13:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:13:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T12:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:33:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

始終每個人物側重點不同，甚至每個人對同一人物研究的重點也不同，要涵蓋那麼多不同的人物和讀者的需要就只有把模板弄成這樣，我覺得把各條目中不用的欄位刪除就可以了，這樣就不會有過長的問題--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月4日 (四) 13:33 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T13:33:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:33:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:50:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

清朝皇帝的制度有明文規定且較為穩定，由入關至亡國變動都不大，這樣才適合用獨立模板。但其他明清歷史人物可以包含的資料有很多，同一朝代社會地位相近的人物在資料方面也可以有很大差異，還有就是每個人研究和重視的方面不同，像研究系譜和社會史的人會重視親屬和婚姻關係以及結婚的年齡，科舉經歷對他們來說反而不那麼重要，但不能因為這些研究層面上不重要就刪除科舉經歷吧，要照顧不同讀者的需要就只能如此，把模板使用範圍限於東亞歷史上的男性已經是盡量縮窄範圍了--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月4日 (四) 13:50 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T13:50:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:50:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T13:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

語法方面我不在行，我找其他維基人幫忙吧--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月4日 (四) 15:20 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T15:20:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-04T15:20:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-04T12:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Template:東亞男性歷史人物

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已大幅修改，請看看還有甚麼需要改善的--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月7日 (日) 12:34 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T12:34:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-07T12:34:00.000Z-Template:\u6771\u4e9e\u7537\u6027\u6b77\u53f2\u4eba\u7269","replies":["c-Ws227-2010-11-07T14:45:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-07T12:34:00.000Z","c-Ws227-2010-11-07T15:01:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-07T12:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

應該是秦代之後除皇帝以外的男性都可以用（先秦的另外用先秦人物模板，因為命名方式不同），寬度你認為要多少才適合？--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月7日 (日) 14:45 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-07T14:45:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-07T12:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

基本上到清末民初的都可以用，現代人除了日本皇室成員外都不用--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月7日 (日) 15:01 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T15:01:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-07T15:01:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-07T12:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ws227-2010-11-07T16:55:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-07T15:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

現在可以換模板嗎？--Ws227 (留言) 2010年11月7日 (日) 16:55 (UTC)[回复]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T16:55:00.000Z","author":"Ws227","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ws227-2010-11-07T16:55:00.000Z-Ws227-2010-11-07T15:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->