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Catholic theology, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for value. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Jeaucques Quœure (talk) 03:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012034100","author":"Jeaucques Qu\u0153ure","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jeaucques_Qu\u0153ure-20241012034100-Catholic_theology_has_an_RfC","replies":[]}}-->
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Strong viewpoint pushing from a self-proclaimed expert. Mangoe (talk) 17:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031174600","author":"Mangoe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mangoe-20241031174600-Arian_controversy_needs_attention","replies":["c-HieronymusNatalis-20241102112100-Mangoe-20241031174600","c-HieronymusNatalis-20241103171800-Mangoe-20241031174600"]}}-->
Given how prolific the user in question has been, it's going to be a huge task going through it all and bringing it up to Wikipedia standards (see user's contributions). All help is appreciated! HieronymusNatalis (talk) 11:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241102112100","author":"HieronymusNatalis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-HieronymusNatalis-20241102112100-Mangoe-20241031174600","replies":[]}}-->
UPDATE: AndriesvN has been indef blocked as of today for being WP:NOTHERE. However, their numerous edits remain in serious need of review. See Special:Contributions/AndriesvN for a sense of what pages need work. It's a pretty hefty task. Thanks for any help! -HieronymusNatalis (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103171800","author":"HieronymusNatalis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-HieronymusNatalis-20241103171800-Mangoe-20241031174600","replies":["c-Mathglot-20241103172900-HieronymusNatalis-20241103171800"]}}-->
Depending on how many other editors have added positive content that is not just a modification of content added by AndriesvN, you might consider opening a discussion on whether it would be easier to roll the article all the way back to a point before they started editing. It might be easier to reinstate the good edits by other editors since that time, than to undo all the bad edits by AndriesvN. This would require discussion and consensus by editors, but is definitely an option; I was involved in reverting about 800 edits by someone doing the same thing to one of the Indian art history articles, I forget which one. We had strong consensus, and the rollback was successfully carried out, with a minimum of stress or strife. The key is take your time, and gain a strong consensus for it. I would not jump straight to Rfc; a discussion section may be sufficient. Mathglot (talk) 17:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103172900","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241103172900-HieronymusNatalis-20241103171800","replies":[]}}-->
Repair worksheet
Following are some of the edits by AndriesvN that may need attention:
Given the extent of the potential damage, this may need assistance from additional editors. If you can help, please mark ones you have repaired with {{done}} in the list above (I waive WP:TPO) and your 3-tilde sig (~~~). If a link appears broken or does not represent a run of edits by AndriesvN, please add a comment below and I will fix it. Hopefully adding @Mangoe, HieronymusNatalis, Girth Summit, Hemiauchenia, ActivelyDisinterested, and Folly Mox:. Mathglot (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109192600","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241109192600-Repair_worksheet","replies":["c-Hemiauchenia-20241109194000-Mathglot-20241109192600","c-Folly_Mox-20241109202000-Mathglot-20241109192600","c-HieronymusNatalis-20241113170000-Mathglot-20241109192600","c-Mathglot-20241117232200-Mathglot-20241109192600"]}}-->
I'm not familiar enough with Christian theology to really know what's worth keeping/discarding in AndriesvN's edits, but if there's consensus to essentially completely rollback their edits to the relevant articles I'm very happy to implement that. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109194000","author":"Hemiauchenia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hemiauchenia-20241109194000-Mathglot-20241109192600","replies":["c-Mathglot-20241109200100-Hemiauchenia-20241109194000"]}}-->
Thanks. Is that even possible? Some of the edits are not recent; John 1:1 and a couple others are from 2022, for example. Mathglot (talk) 20:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109200100","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241109200100-Hemiauchenia-20241109194000","replies":["c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241109201900-Mathglot-20241109200100"]}}-->
Equally unfamiliar with the subject, but the one I checked added content based on their website that was in turn referencing Wikipedia for some of the information (it was circular). It could be worthwhile to view all the edits with suspicion. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested«@» °∆t°20:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109201900","author":"ActivelyDisinterested","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241109201900-Mathglot-20241109200100","replies":[]}}-->
(responding to ping) Mildly involved: removed WP:EL violations during the course of the ANI thread. Third disclosure: zero knowledge of early Christian theology.Rollback of edits long since buried under more recent diffs is not possible in the usual easy sense, but contributions can be manually undone by reviewing the old edits and removing them from the current revision if their undoing is considered an improvement. It's a time consumer!If any of AndriesvN's edits are reasonable to retain, a good first step would be to track down alternate, reputably published copies of the sources they hosted on their blog.If we're going with the "manual nuke" approach, I should be able to help out, although not right now, and I'm also immediately minded of a French Historiography project I told Mathglot I'd try to help with a few weeks back, before as always becoming busy, tired, and forgetful. If we're doing a casewise assessment, evaluating the value – I guess lexically tautologically? – of the contributions, I definitely lack the expertise to assist. Folly Mox (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109202000","author":"Folly Mox","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Folly_Mox-20241109202000-Mathglot-20241109192600","replies":[]}}-->
Thanks @Mathglot! I'm out of commission at the moment, but as soon as the academic term ends (mid-December), I'll start working on these. -HieronymusNatalis (talk) 17:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113170000","author":"HieronymusNatalis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-HieronymusNatalis-20241113170000-Mathglot-20241109192600","replies":[]}}-->
Smirmium done. Mathglot (talk) 23:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117232200","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241117232200-Mathglot-20241109192600","replies":[]}}-->
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Is there any form of standardisation for naming conventions for churches? I've seen both name of church, location; name of church + church, location; and name of church + denomination + church, location: e.g. St John's, London; St John's Church, London; or St John's Anglican Church, London. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122071600","author":"Traumnovelle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Traumnovelle-20241122071600-Naming_conventions_for_churches","replies":["c-Ham_II-20241123080100-Traumnovelle-20241122071600"]}}-->
@Traumnovelle: There is WP:CHURCH, which essentially advocates WP:COMMONNAME. Then there is MOS:PARTSAINT, which implies that "{Church building} of Saint {X}" is the standard, though I don't think that's really borne out by usage on Wikipedia. In my experience "St John's Church, London" is the usual WP naming convention for Anglican churches in England or Wales, and I see that you've proposed the same style for an Anglican church in New Zealand here.
I'm not very fond of the "St John's, London" or "St John, London" constructions, which could read ambiguously like something other than churches – suburbs of London, for instance. However, I noted in the 2023 discussion that omitting "Church" often works for Catholic churches with lengthy dedications, e.g., "Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception and St John, London".
Thank you, that was incredibly helpful. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123195100","author":"Traumnovelle","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Traumnovelle-20241123195100-Ham_II-20241123080100","replies":["c-Nurg-20241125083800-Traumnovelle-20241123195100"]}}-->
However, one of WP's basic principles for ambiguous terms is that when there is a primary topic it gets named with the term, undisambiguated, regardless of the fact that it will read ambiguously like something else. E.g. "London" is the name of many places and when a reader sees a "London" link, they can only presume (absent other info) it is for the primary London (which it is) and not for London, Ontario, or one of the many other Londons. So if there was a church called "St John's, London" and that was the primary topic, isn't that what we should call it, according to the Disambiguation guideline? Nurg (talk) 08:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125083800","author":"Nurg","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Nurg-20241125083800-Traumnovelle-20241123195100","replies":[]}}-->
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Edwin of Northumbria has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201155200","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Z1720-20241201155200-Good_article_reassessment_for_Edwin_of_Northumbria","replies":[]}}-->
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AfD discussion on a metal band described as a "Christian metal"
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Since participation is lacking, I thought I'd publish the AfD here. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Symphony_of_HeavenGraywalls (talk) 00:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241202000900","author":"Graywalls","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Graywalls-20241202000900-AfD_discussion_on_a_metal_band_described_as_a_\"Christian_metal\"","replies":[]}}-->
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Saints Cosmas and Damian#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209194000","author":"Feeglgeef","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Feeglgeef-20241209194000-Requested_move_at_Talk:Saints_Cosmas_and_Damian#Requested_move_9_December_2024","replies":[]}}-->
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Medieval Catholic churches by decade categories: populate or upmerge?
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Please join this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213101200","author":"Marcocapelle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marcocapelle-20241213101200-Medieval_Catholic_churches_by_decade_categories:_populate_or_upmerge?","replies":[]}}-->
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Discovery of oldest evidence for Christian life north of the alps (230 - 270 AD)
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You are all invited to help working on Frankfurt silver inscription, about the newly discovered oldest evidence of Christianity north of the alps. Renerpho (talk) 16:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213163300","author":"Renerpho","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Renerpho-20241213163300-Discovery_of_oldest_evidence_for_Christian_life_north_of_the_alps_(230_-_270_AD)","replies":[]}}-->
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Project members may wish to assist this article on a Christian hymn composer in passing a draft review (it failed). Here is the subject's entry in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography so the subject is clearly notable. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 03:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229031700","author":"4meter4","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-4meter4-20241229031700-Draft:William_Owen_(composer)","replies":[]}}-->
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There's been a bit of an impasse between another editor and I at Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada#Potentially Biased Contribution about phrasing. I don't feel too strongly about the whore vs prostitute phrasing, but more eyes couldn't hurt either way as it's a delicate subject and maybe there's some other solution. If anyone's interested in expanding the article, that would be great too. I'm posting here instead of at WP:JW because this project appears to be way more active. Clovermoss🍀(talk)19:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110193100","author":"Clovermoss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Clovermoss-20250110193100-Request_for_input_on_an_article","replies":[],"displayName":"Clovermoss\ud83c\udf40"}}-->
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