Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Artificial Intelligence

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AI standards supporting the EU's AI Act

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HI, I just added a draft page on this important topic that is not well understood. Would really appreciate it a reviewer could help! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CEN/CENELEC_JTC_21 Smith5462343 (talk) 08:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240915084200","author":"Smith5462343","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smith5462343-20240915084200-AI_standards_supporting_the_EU's_AI_Act","replies":["c-Alenoach-20240928200800-Smith5462343-20240915084200"]}}-->

The draft seems well-written as far as I can tell. The main question is whether the topic is notable enough, and I personally don't really know. There are a few style issues like the formatting of the sources (precising the website names), and WP:NOELBODY and MOS:BOLD, but that could be fixed later if CEN/CENELEC JTC 21 is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Alenoach (talk) 20:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928200800","author":"Alenoach","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alenoach-20240928200800-Smith5462343-20240915084200","replies":[]}}-->
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Debate on the page "Artificial general intelligence"

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I would be grateful if someone could help reach a consensus on the page Artificial general intelligence. See the contentious edits and the discussions "Revert of edits on consciousness" and "AGI vs ASI". The main sources of contention are the definitions of AGI and ASI, whether materialist philosophers believe intelligence necessarily implies consciousness, and whether the sources support what is being said and their verifiability. Alenoach (talk) 18:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928183600","author":"Alenoach","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alenoach-20240928183600-Debate_on_the_page_\"Artificial_general_intelligence\"","replies":[]}}-->

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Project Joshua Blue

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This seems like the best place to ask. Is this article notable? There are not many sources on Google Scholar and Google, but I am not sure what counts as significant coverage for these types of articles. Spinixster (trout me!) 13:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240929132100","author":"Spinixster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spinixster-20240929132100-Project_Joshua_Blue","replies":[]}}-->

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Question about artificial intelligence art

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Does AI art refer also to AI-generated music or only to AI-generated images (visual art)? A user claims one of the two is the case and I've looked for sources. Please reply, thank you. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210143600","author":"Prototyperspective","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Prototyperspective-20241210143600-Question_about_artificial_intelligence_art","replies":["c-Asparagusstar-20241210171100-Prototyperspective-20241210143600","c-Alenoach-20241211230600-Prototyperspective-20241210143600"]}}-->

Current consensus is the Artificial intelligence art is an article about visual art. "Art" typically means visual art, such as in an "art museum" or "art gallery." There is already an article about specifically Music and artificial intelligence. There is also on article on the general topic of Generative artificial intelligence that includes text, images, audio, etc. Asparagusstar (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210171100","author":"Asparagusstar","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Asparagusstar-20241210171100-Prototyperspective-20241210143600","replies":["c-Prototyperspective-20241210171900-Asparagusstar-20241210171100","c-Prototyperspective-20241210183700-Asparagusstar-20241210171100"]}}-->
This is not true, it's only you who keeps removing content about nonvisual art and for some reason thinks there is consensus for it being only about visual art. There is no consensus for that. The article is about the subject that is in the title which is "Artificial intelligence art".
Lots of WP:RS support that it's also referring to nonvisual art which you just all removed. AI-generated music is new which is why there was little info earlier and also because no article is perfect. There already was content about nonvisual art such as in literature/writing. Music and artificial intelligence is broader than about AI-generated music and also about using AI for things like transitions between tracks and for track selection, not just AI art.
Art doesn't typically mean visual art, nor are the linked Wikipedia articles in other languages only about visual art. The article Music and artificial intelligence is contained in the category Artificial intelligence art of which the discussed article is the main article. The article Generative artificial intelligence is also about things other than art and much broader. Text-to-image generation is specific to visual art, not the artificial intelligence art article. Prototyperspective (talk) 17:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210171900","author":"Prototyperspective","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Prototyperspective-20241210171900-Asparagusstar-20241210171100","replies":[]}}-->
Here are my points for why nonvisual art is and should be part of this article's scope. What do you think?
  1. In the title it says "art", not "visual art" and the contents & scope of a Wikipedia article should match its title.
  2. There is no reason why what the user claims would be consensus would be consensus. That is false and the article title, the article contents, good-quality sources, the article category, and the former article lead all suggest to the contrary.
    • Per WP:BRD Carefully consider whether "policy", "consensus", or "procedure" are valid reasons for the revert
  3. Linked Wikipedia articles in other languages like de:KI Kunst are also in part about nonvisual art and EN WP is a global project
  4. An editor (Elspea756) changed Artificial intelligence art is any artwork, particularly images and musical compositions, created through the use of artificial intelligence (AI) programs, such as text-to-image models and musical generators in the lead to Artificial intelligence art is any visual artwork created through the use of artificial intelligence (AI) programs on 2 August 2023 and specified in the edit summary the rationale Removing "music" from the lead. The rest of the article is all about visual art, and the lead should summarize the rest of the article so this was changed merely because the article had no content on music not because the article scope in principle is different
    • That time in 2023 no good-quality AI music did exist so all notable AI art there was visual art which was the reason why it was mostly about visual art as the user even clarified in the edit summary; real somewhat autonomous AI music is a thing that only came to be in 2024.
    • Both the former lead and the edit summary just make clear how the scope already was also about nonvisual art in principle.
    • A section about music was added so this was changed anyway.
  5. The article already for over a years contains a section with content about non-visual art so that part of the lead should have been changed earlier already. It had content on AI-generated literature, video game components, and cooking robot research since ca August 2023.
  6. The WP:RS clearly show it's not just about visual art but also other forms of art.
    • Here are some of the sources: This includes visual art, music,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] literature,[9][10]
    • I don't think one user's opinion weighs more than such sources and even if that was the case it's not only me who wished to add information about nonvisual art but also other editors of the article.
    • From e.g. here: Artificial intelligence art (AI art) is any form of art that has been created or enhanced with AI tools. Although commonly associated with visual art, such as images or videos, the term AI art also applies to music, writing and other creative forms.; in contrast there is no source claiming it refers to visual artwork; the reader coming to the article would expect it to be about AI art in general.
  7. This article is about the broad genre/type and this type of art is made across several media from text to visual ones. It's quite similar to computer art which also includes "sound" and performance art as well as New media art which also includes nonvisual art.
  8. The article Music and artificial intelligence as well as several other music-specific articles are contained in Category:Artificial intelligence art of which the discussed article is the main article (and none removed them despite me asking about it). Music and artificial intelligence is also about other uses of AI in music such as track transitions and track selection, not just AI-generated music. The article Generative artificial intelligence is also about things other than art and much broader. Text-to-image generation is specific to visual art, not the Artificial intelligence art article. That is the article that is about visual art only.
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References

  1. ^ Millet, Kobe; Buehler, Florian; Du, Guanzhong; Kokkoris, Michail D. (1 June 2023). "Defending humankind: Anthropocentric bias in the appreciation of AI art". Computers in Human Behavior. 143: 107707. doi:10.1016/j.chb.2023.107707. ISSN 0747-5632.
  2. ^ Tao, Feng (4 March 2022). "A New Harmonisation of Art and Technology: Philosophic Interpretations of Artificial Intelligence Art". Critical Arts. 36 (1–2): 110–125. doi:10.1080/02560046.2022.2112725. ISSN 0256-0046.
  3. ^ Oksanen, Atte; Cvetkovic, Anica; Akin, Nalan; Latikka, Rita; Bergdahl, Jenna; Chen, Yang; Savela, Nina (1 August 2023). "Artificial intelligence in fine arts: A systematic review of empirical research". Computers in Human Behavior: Artificial Humans. 1 (2): 100004. doi:10.1016/j.chbah.2023.100004. ISSN 2949-8821. co-creative AI was preferred over didactic AI, and artists were the most critical of automation of creative work with AI. Tubadji et al. (2021) found that participants' evaluations of AI-generated music were negatively influenced when they knew the music's composer was an AI. This knowledge influenced the participants' assessments of quality, causing them to shift away from AI-generated compositions and toward those humans created. Knowledge of the artwork's creator was also connected to the participants' assessment of the artwork
  4. ^ Epstein, Ziv; Hertzmann, Aaron (16 June 2023). "Art and the science of generative AI". Science. 380 (6650): 1110–1111. arXiv:2306.04141. Bibcode:2023Sci...380.1110E. doi:10.1126/science.adh4451. PMID 37319193. One prominent application thus far is the production of high-quality artistic media for visual arts, concept art, music, and literature, as well as video and animation. […] generative AI relies on training data made by people: the models 'learn' to generate art
  5. ^ "Udio's AI music is my new obsession". PCWorld. Retrieved 9 December 2024.
  6. ^ Núñez-Cacho, Pedro; Mylonas, Georgios; Kalogeras, Athanasios; Molina-Moreno, Valentín (29 February 2024). "Exploring the transformative power of AI in art through a circular economy lens. A systematic literature review". Heliyon. 10 (4): e25388. Bibcode:2024Heliy..1025388N. doi:10.1016/j.heliyon.2024.e25388. ISSN 2405-8440. PMC 10878876. PMID 38384531. AI is used to autonomously create art or help artists create works, such as generating music, writing poetry, and painting.
  7. ^ published, Ryan Morrison (20 November 2024). "Suno v4 is out and this AI music generator is even better than I expected — listen for yourself". Tom's Guide. Retrieved 10 December 2024.
  8. ^ Cox, Christopher; Tzoc, Elias (2023). "ChatGPT: Implications for academic libraries". College & Research Libraries News. 84 (3). doi:10.5860/crln.84.3.99.
  9. ^ Hitsuwari, Jimpei; Ueda, Yoshiyuki; Yun, Woojin; Nomura, Michio (1 February 2023). "Does human–AI collaboration lead to more creative art? Aesthetic evaluation of human-made and AI-generated haiku poetry". Computers in Human Behavior. 139: 107502. doi:10.1016/j.chb.2022.107502. ISSN 0747-5632.
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With a title like this, I think it should include both music and visual arts. And there are many other forms of art that the article could potentially cover (things like literature, films and animations, or even robotic choreographies). The article is also slanted towards depicting AI art negatively, but there are significant positives, notably in democratizing and accelerating art creation. Alenoach (talk) 23:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241211230600","author":"Alenoach","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alenoach-20241211230600-Prototyperspective-20241210143600","replies":[]}}-->

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