Wikipedia talk:Lugstubs 2 list

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Time frame?

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Any idea of the time frame for this process. I've looked at a few which immediately suggest alternate action would be more efficient than creating a draft which will also kick around. Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240325171200","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325171200-Time_frame?","replies":["c-BilledMammal-20240328072900-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325171200"]}}-->

There's no rush; I'm happy to wait a month or even two. BilledMammal (talk) 07:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240328072900","author":"BilledMammal","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BilledMammal-20240328072900-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325171200","replies":["c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328074100-BilledMammal-20240328072900"]}}-->
Might take a bit longer than that I'm afraid - things are busy and I'm editing here a lot less than I was. I'd rather have a chance to check them all, but once they're checked that can be dealt with I think. A small number might be better off taken off the list for a while and passed back to potentially interested parties. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240328074100","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328074100-BilledMammal-20240328072900","replies":[]}}-->
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D potential issues

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I'm starting at the bottom of the list... I'll keep adding to here - and I'll keep them in the same order so I'll add to the top. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240325213000","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325213000-D_potential_issues","replies":["c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328073400-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325213000","c-BilledMammal-20240328072900-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325213000"]}}-->

As an indication of why redirection is the better option, the draft process without a manual review leads to articles such as Draft:Haswell Wilson being drafted. A quick look at Olympia suggests notability - and a short search finds multiple obituaries including in The Lancet and a *six page obit* in The Journal of Pathology and Bacteriology. He's clearly notable. Which was obvious from a manual check but I doubt very much that anyone did one because of the overwhelming number of articles nominated. With the list below as of this time stamp I have 69 articles I'd at least redirect and nine I'd draft. There's a probably skew in that because there aren't a huge amount of non-anglophone names in the bottom 78 articles on the list and out coverage of lists is better for English*, Australian and New Zealand cricketers, but it does suggest we should redirect a bunch simply rather than go through the redundancy of creating a draft and then moving that back and then redirecting from there. Which would be interesting but inevitably pretty futile. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240328073400","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328073400-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325213000","replies":[]}}-->
Just a comment; obvious redirects I will be working out with Quarry queries, so no need to list them here - the only question is whether you would prefer them to be moved to draft space and then the redirect created, or just the redirect directly created and no draft space article created? BilledMammal (talk) 07:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240328072900","author":"BilledMammal","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BilledMammal-20240328072900-Blue_Square_Thing-20240325213000","replies":["c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328073500-BilledMammal-20240328072900"]}}-->
Literally just added that above! The redundancy from a draft article existing is obvious. Much more efficient to simply redirect. They prob do need to be listed because it's not clear in every case where to redirect to. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240328073500","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328073500-BilledMammal-20240328072900","replies":["c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240329082600-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328073500"]}}-->
I was wondering if it might be more efficient for me to simply do the redirections whilst I'm working through? Would that work or would it cause more problems? I don't think any of the ones I've come across so far are particularly controversial. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240329082600","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240329082600-Blue_Square_Thing-20240328073500","replies":["c-Sammyrice-20240417115400-Blue_Square_Thing-20240329082600"]}}-->
I've expanded David Dempsey to show that he was quite a prominent player in his time. A definite keep! Sammyrice (talk) 11:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240417115400","author":"Sammyrice","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sammyrice-20240417115400-Blue_Square_Thing-20240329082600","replies":["c-Sammyrice-20240424114700-Sammyrice-20240417115400"]}}-->
And the same now with Delroy Morgan. Sammyrice (talk) 11:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240424114700","author":"Sammyrice","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Sammyrice-20240424114700-Sammyrice-20240417115400","replies":[]}}-->
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Others

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  • Charles Burls - added some sources and with his links to Surrey there will be very, very likely offline sources. Given teams he played for prob also other obits. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240525135100","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240525135100-Others","replies":[]}}-->
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Entries to remove from the list

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I think the following should be removed from the list, since the RfC was confined to articles referenced only to ESPN and CricketArchive (selection criteria 4) and because additional sources have been added and/or are available:

  • Adolphus O'Brien. Sources added and other newspaper articles are in Past Papers. He played in two intercolonial international matches in the 1880s, at least one of which is notable. In a worst case scenario he could be merged to List of Auckland representative cricketers. I should draw your attention to Papers Past, a collection of scans of New Zealand Newspapers from the National Library of New Zealand. This raises, in relation to New Zealand cricketers, the same issues that Trove raises for the Australians.
  • A list of other cricketers who need to be removed from the list after expansion: Alan Devlin (cricketer), Alec Kerr, Allen Kerr (cricketer), Arthur Cant,
  • James500 (talk) 22:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630222100","author":"James500","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-James500-20240630222100-Entries_to_remove_from_the_list","replies":["c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240823201100-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240823193100-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240824110100-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240824190700-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240825083900-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240825114500-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240826191000-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240827122300-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240827131800-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240930094900-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241003055900-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241004061400-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241004110600-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241005072700-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241005123900-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241005155700-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241006084300-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241006152400-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241010061700-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241011091500-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241011163600-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241012062500-James500-20240630222100","c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241108210100-James500-20240630222100"]}}-->
    • Just come across both Kerr articles and there are clearly enough sources for both in the articles. Allen might well be better known as Charles - per McCarron should anyone be looking for more sources. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823201100","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240823201100-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Added some stuff to Carlton Hay that scratches the surface. Appears to be clearly notable as a sportsman, an administrator and a businessman. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823193100","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240823193100-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Charles Osmond would seem to be notable. Added a little which scratches the surface of what's available. Confident that there's much more there with time Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824110100","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240824110100-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Derek Scott (cricketer) would also appear to be notable - I've done no more than scratched the surface again, but there would seem to be enough to certainly take the article out of this category. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824190700","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240824190700-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Alfred Sloman not entirely sure, but I've done a limited amount of work on it and I think there's the real potential for there to be enough sources there to build this one further. Worth taking off this list and properly thinking about. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825083900","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240825083900-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Charles Stone (New Zealand cricketer) - based on an obit I think there will be more here with detailed searching. Certainly needs proper consideration. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825114500","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240825114500-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Basil Totman, again, think there's enough sources to be found here. Added some, but others will take hours and I'd rather hit more articles first. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826191000","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240826191000-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Brian Warner (cricketer) - lots of hits and, again, I've only scratched the surface so far Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827122300","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240827122300-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • David Weston (cricketer) clearly enough here - again, just scratching the surface but came close to being an All Black so a detailed search will turn up a tonne of stuff Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827131800","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240827131800-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Charles Aldridge, I've only added a little, but there's lots available, especially when you search under Bill Aldridge Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930094900","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240930094900-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Bryan Higgins (cricketer), tricky one, but based on knowing that an obituary exists, NEXIST can come into play here and I'd probably give the bod to the article and keep it Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003055900","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241003055900-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Craig Ross (Northern Districts cricketer) plenty here, including at leats two in depth sources. There will be much, much more in paper archives as well Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004061400","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241004061400-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • David Cooper (New Zealand cricketer) notable for his administrative career - can't quite make the link to the person of the same name at NZ Netball but likely to be the same Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004110600","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241004110600-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Arthur Aldersley, again I've only scratched the surface here - there are hundreds of hits on PapersPast and we know an obit was published Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005072700","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241005072700-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Bill Burton (cricketer), a tricky search term but there are lots of hints of much more there. This is worth the benefit of the doubt with I think Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005123900","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241005123900-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Arthur Duncan (New Zealand cricketer) multiple sources, including multiple in depth obituaries from different sources. Again, I'm scratching the surface and I imagine there's more to be found Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005155700","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241005155700-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Arthur George (cricketer) multiple obits and that's really only scratching the surface Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006084300","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241006084300-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Arnold Gedye less clearcut, but there's lots and lots of hits which would need wading through. Scratched the surface only again, but I think we'd be able to build a biography here Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006152400","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241006152400-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Arthur Hawthorne a bit more marginal, but there seems lots and lots of decent mentions. Certainly worth considering in more depth Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010061700","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241010061700-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Arthur Howard (New Zealand cricketer) again a little more marginal, but this is very much scratching the surface and there seems lots more Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011091500","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241011091500-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Deepak Joon certainly enough to consider separately, and I imagine there are more sources if we look Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011163600","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241011163600-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Charles Kreeft multiple obits. Very much scratching the surface here, but very likely to be much more in other mentions Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012062500","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241012062500-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
  • Arthur Longden multiple sources. Again, scratching but there's plenty there. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108210100","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20241108210100-James500-20240630222100","replies":[]}}-->
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Additional redirect list

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Going to start a list as and when I come across any beyond the ones above:

Will presumably add to this list as I work through some related stuff. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824090700","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-20240824090700-Additional_redirect_list","replies":[]}}-->

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