well-known professional researcher, or writer. Shortcuts WP:UGCWP:UGC WP:USERGWP:USERG WP:USERGENERATEDWP:USERGENERATED Websites whose content is largely user-generated...

discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Two_new_Navbars_for_USERG_awards, I am nominating this new navbar template for deletion. This represents...

2023 (UTC) Delete as non-notable, all sources appear to be primary or WP:USERG WhichUserAmI 13:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC) Merge into the band article, Zerobaseone...

all of the references to the wikipedia signpost violate WP:PRIMARY and WP:USERG. Good Articles should not be breaking policy or official guidelines. JackFromWisconsin...

December 2012 (UTC) JoshuSasori minor notes: Some of the references are WP:USERG. Doesn't specifically mention anonymous usenet posting via funet, was all...

by experts may be reliable. See WP:USERG. ~KvnG 06:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC) Really? Here's what it says at WP:USERG: "Anyone can create a personal web...

does WP:USERG not disqualify all three of the sources Czarkoff posted? – Pnm (talk) 01:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I do not read the list of WP:USERG exceptions...

book - see WP:USERG and WP:NOTINHERITED. This is just a list of publications, see WP:ENN. This and this are blog entries, see WP:USERG again. Yunshui...

2016 (UTC) Comment How does this pass GNG? Unreliable sources as per WP:USERG, and WP:RSSELF. 173.52.99.208 (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2016 (UTC) keep I should...

wp:sigcov. The fourth source, however, may be valid. The fourth source is WP:USERG per Richard3120. wp:Before source searches: One result on newspapers.com...

WP:GNG. No secondary reliable sources, secondary sources seem to be YT WP:USERG. A quick WP:BEFORE on Google doesn't show any media articles of note. Some...

coverage in reliable sources. The second, third, and tenth sources are WP:USERG. The remaining sources do not discuss the subject. None of the subject's...

Jamie Marchi, 2 is primary, 3-23 are WP:USERG, and 24-29 are just describing merchandise, and most of them are USERG. 30 is the only reference that may be...

JSTOR · TWL) I can only find info about this album on discogs, which is WP:USERG. Cannot find any other sources that suggests this passes WP:NALBUM or WP:GNG...

passing mentions, which is not good enough for WP:GNG. Other sources are WP:USERG. — Stringy Acid (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2017 (UTC) The above discussion is...

The article is only supported by user-generated sources, thus fails WP:USERG and WP:RS. Hakken (talk) 22:46, 23 August 2017 (UTC) Note: This debate has...

TheGracefulSlick (talk) 14:54, 6 July 2016 (UTC) Comment Unreliable sources as per WP:USERG, and WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:RSSELF. 173.52.99.208 (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2016...

Google News pulls up nothing. A general Google search result pulls up WP:USERG sites. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:39, 25 June 2015 (UTC) Note: This debate has...

turn up much, only primary/social media accounts, storefronts, a single USERG review at RPG.net, mentions on unreliable amateur RPG blogs, and so on....

user-generated sources such as Discogs to support its content, going against WP:USERG. Hakken (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC) Note: This debate has been...

com and whosampledwho.com are not reliable sources because they fail WP:USERG (see WP:ALBUMAVOID for a list of unreliable sources.) The closest we come...

articles and those articles should mention the specific events. Per WP:USERG, such a wikilink is not considered a reliable source, and a direct source...

referenced in the article only briefly mention his name. Other references are WP:USERG, and I couldn't find any other secondary source. — Stringy Acid (talk) 23:12...

good indication for lacking notability. The article exclusively uses WP:USERG content as sources (either via YouTube or Niconico). IceWelder [✉] 14:49...

and one edition of Who's Who on TV are all I can find, everythig else is USERG. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included...

TWL) Does not pass WP:NGAME or WP:GNG. Two of the three sources are WP:USERG. There is one source from Dexerto [1], but I would argue on the basis of...

such as actual concert reviews in reliable sources. And apart from the USERG discussion forum, the only other reference present here at all is their...

services) are a fair way of judging notability (+ likely borders on WP:USERG); besides, I'm sure I could find plenty of notability-clearing song article...

social media, YouTube, Wikipedia itself, and other sorts of unreliable WP:USERG type sources. Sergecross73 msg me 23:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC) It it effectively...

there are external links to Goodreads, Amazon, and other sites (see WP:USERG) but I have found nothing in reviews of the genre, Google books, or even...

few or no other edits outside this topic. On IMDb and reliability, see WP:USERG. And in this case, the IMDb entry was contributed by... "Creative Talent...

sources documenting the mosque in more than passing context or beyond WP:USERG blog posts and videos. WhichUserAmI 15:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC) The above discussion...

which is WP:USERG (also per MUSICRS). When it comes to sputnik, the source is a user review (not tagged as staff), which falls under the WP:USERG caveat which...

advertisements for performances and other stuff that is more WP:PROMO and WP:USERG. I welcome the creator to identify refs that are clearly independent and...

other games with articles. Player engagement does not create notability; WP:USERG et al. WP:NVG and WP:GNG have to be met instead; the Steam review count...

sources. Haven't done a WP:BEFORE but if the article can only point to WP:USERG like fans and collectors, it's not really within the scope of an independent...

fansite pages which are not considered reliable sources (WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:USERG). Did not find anything notable in google books etc. -Wikishagnik 03:15...

blogger. Sputnik Music isn't usable when its a "user review", which fails WP:USERG. The only passable looking one is maybe "CrypticRock", and even then I'm...

with a page that currently has no secondary sources. The page confuses WP:USERG for reliable reception. A WP:BEFORE yields no review coverage: only a pre-release...

result was delete. The relevant policy for sources is WP:RS, specifically WP:USERG. Generally blogs are not considered reliable sources, although there are...

I did three months ago. Of the four sources on the article: one is a WP:USERG blog review (dead); the group's biography on their website (a WP:PRIMARY...

the available sources on Google that I was able to locate fail WP:RS/WP:USERG/Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources and/or do not go in sufficient depth/quantity...

Baike being an openly collaborative wiki-like encyclopedia makes it fail WP:USERG already. 野狼院ひさし u/t/c 06:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC) The above discussion is...

Both Discogs and Setlist.com, cited multiple times in the article, fail WP:USERG as well. Sergecross73 msg me 18:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC) Redirect back...

FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Non-notable game. The article is constructed from WP:USERG sources like MobyGames and GameFAQs. The Metacritic page is empty. There's...

unreliable. (Like Sputnik Music user written reviews, which violate WP:USERG, per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 21 December 2017 (UTC)...

that claim, currently the reference cited is a blog, which violates WP:USERG. Notability, though is still a concern unfortunately as there aren't enough...

wiki, which if accurate would make the lone source in the article fail WP:USERG (see WP:FANDOM too). Gommeh (talk! sign!) 15:54, 14 May 2026 (UTC) The above...

WP:USERG. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC) It reads like a press-release or paid advertorial, which certainly doesn't meet WP:USERG -...

Delete per the maintenance tags on the article. The one source fails WP:USERG and seems to be about as notable as the movie he supposedly acted in. CabinetCavers...

provided by page creator either did not mention the subject or were WP:USERG. PROD removed by article creator without comment. This article has been...

not mentioned here, the proliferation of unreliable sources. Many are WP:USERG, like MobyGames or PCGamingWiki, or unsuitable for use as a source. This...

community blog that doesn't seem to have any professional writers (See WP:USERG). The other sources seem to be more established news blogs, but they only...

presented, and is mostly sourced to unreliable sources (Moby Games - fails WP:USERG) or first party sources (interviews, the company/games themselves, etc.)...

21:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC) Nobody, and certainly not me, said that VH1 was USERG. But what the VH1 links are is streaming copies of the music videos — see...

little substance. Doesn't talk about the questions received. Might be WP:USERG. 15 says nothing except about how he is introduced in the game. This is...

WP:RSMUSIC sources. Before I removed them, most of the sources were WP:USERG fansites and forums (additionally, I am unsure if the one source that remains...

comments, and various posts from astrology forums (all are either WP:SPS or WP:USERG). Absolutely no coverage in popular Indian media. Vote for speedy deletion...

website and does not meet Wikipedia’s reliable source criteria (WP:RS, WP:USERG). The content contains unverifiable genealogical claims and lacks independent...

Google results turn up nothing besides a page on Genius, which is a WP:USERG website so the hoax looks to have spread to there as well. The purported...

review for the album; a They Might Be Giants wiki page (obviously failing WP:USERG), and one blog-news article on a site called Soundsphere that moreso focuses...

the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control" per WP:USERG. Unfortunately, none of the sources meet the above criteria which means...

December 2025 (UTC) Delete per nom. Even the book reviews are cited to the WP:USERG content on the Amazon page. ResonantDistortion 22:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)...

(WP:RSSELF), and the secondary sources are blog posts (possibly falling under WP:USERG), with the only news coverage being hyperlocal. Sources 1 and 2 are blog...

filmography section from an unreliable source evidenced by consensus at WP:USERG and Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb, and remain for years...

website which isn't generally accepted as a reliable source, according to WP:USERG. The other two are short obituaries; I don't think obituaries can be used...

WP:NBOOK. All references in the article are either primary or unreliable (WP:USERG), and I can't find any reviews in reliable sources. Additionally, the article...

2007-2010 at least. There is the possibility that it's just wrong because WP:USERG, or that the one who served on the board is actually a different person...

2020 (UTC) metalinjection since its addition has always been tagged as WP:USERG at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, which brings it into serious issues...

though assembled by a writer, is based on user votes and may skirt the USERG line (I'm not actually sure if that applies here but it's still questionable...

the game, but I doubt those are significant. I have some concerns over WP:USERG especially where the App Store and Google Play Store reviews are concerned...

you provided on your article do not qualify as reliable sources under WP:USERG I suggest you read that. JayJayTalk to me 21:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)...

which is not considered a reliable source for media verification under WP:USERG. User-generated sites cannot be used to justify or source non-free images...

their videos, Facebook, and Blogspot are either affiliated or fall under WP:USERG or WP:SPS - Movidiam's page on Abraham Marcos establishes that he exists...

as they can be written by anyone signs up for an account - violating WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 02:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC) Delete A lack of sources that...

(UTC) CommentSlamCam Films is the director's own website, and thus fails WP:USERG; it's not acceptable as a demonstration of notability. I don't doubt that...

of a USERG source is made conditional on whether the writer can be proven or disproven as a COI editor making fake sourcing for themselves — USERG sources...

Japanese-only title. There's not really anything to go off here: two WP:USERG databases that do not contribute to notability, and one brief run-through...

(album) per nomination. None of the actually reliable sources (excluding USERG like Discogs, Genius, and SongFacts) are exclusively about the song, many...

and The Appera looks very much like a communal blog. All seem to fail WP:USERG. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC) This article is important but...

dates, which fails WP:NTOUR, and a set list from Setlist.fm, which fails WP:USERG. However, this one at least has some sourced references to Billboard Boxoffice...

WP:USERG would probably apply. WP:USENET may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:20, 19 November 2022 (UTC) I don't think WP:SPS OR WP:USERG applies...

are usable, don't use guest reviews recognizable by a tag, which fail WP:USERG", and the review on that page for this album is from 2007, so not useable...

one from about.com is pretty bad. It fairly obviously falls into the WP:USERG category and would be like using Wikipedia as a source. Should probably...

to pass WP:NALBUMS, even the two sources provided in the article fail WP:USERG. I really can't find any useful coverage, and agree with Doomsdayer that...

unique sources are the Muse fan wiki and WP:DISCOGS, which both fail WP:USERG. A Google search turned up only fan websites, articles about Muse, passing...

conveying quotes from Steam user reactions which is just a secondary form of WP:USERG. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC) Found a mention in a PwC report...

warrant its own standalone article. And the sourcing here, which fails WP:USERG pretty much right across the board, is not remotely solid enough to make...

Regarding both of the sources you've now provided, they fail WP:RS as WP:USERG. Both are open encyclopedia/dictory type sites. -- ferret (talk) 20:49,...

AllGame [2]. But that's not enough. For the current state of the article, WP:USERG is not appropriate sourcing for reception and not evidence of notability...

you referring to? The only reviews linked are from g2.com and are all WP:USERG and most definitely not acceptable for sourcing, let alone GNG. And which...

The article's reliance on the IFDB is not in my view significant as a WP:USERG source. Even putting that aside, the cited #1 listings are based on an all-time...

Billboard, NPR, and La Nación. On the other hand, many sources (especially the USERG 45cat and Discogs) need removing/replacing. Definitely needs work, but that's...

lot. And that's unfortunately it: the other sources are WP:PRIMARY or WP:USERG. No hits on Metacritic or Mobygames; no coverage on items in the Internet...

everything else is original research by the article creator. Setlist.fm fails WP:USERG and is not a reliable source, and for some reason a picture of a T-shirt...

in-depth reviews. Know Your Meme and WikiHow are pretty cut and dry WP:USERG. A WP:BEFORE finds some brief analysis of a gameplay mechanic in the game...

such as references 1-4, 6, 8-11, 13 are largely not acceptable (see WP:USERG). References 5, 7 appear to have been directly or indirectly published by...

neither prove nor disprove notability. The argument technically fails WP:USERG. IceWelder [✉] 15:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

reliable source (see WP:RSPYT), and the Lost Media Wiki appears to be a WP:USERG source and does not contribute to notability. A WP:BEFORE search found nothing...

has no critic OR user reviews for the game. Mobygames (An unreliable WP:USERG directory, but useful for finding other reliable sources, magazines, etc)...

appears to be a blog of some sort, and is not a WP:Reliable source (WP:USERG). Rwessel (talk) 19:52, 2 January 2016 (UTC) I want to use the Wikipedia...

(User:Louieblakesarmiento) cites his own blog in the article. Probably a breach of WP:USERG. Article is mainly promotional and WP:POV-ed. Main contributor seems to...

to primary sources (markknopfler.net), unreliable sources that fail WP:USERG (Songfacts and Setlist.fm) and passing mentions in full album reviews. I'm...

accounts of the band/record label. Otherwise, there are WP:COPYVIO and WP:USERG issues. Sergecross73 msg me 12:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC) You are misunderstanding...

little more than a tracklist, sources are unreliable and/or violating WP:USERG. I'd be happy to reconsider should someone dig up some better sources, but...

that review which is unprofessionally written as well as unreliable per WP:USERG. Geschichte (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2026 (UTC) Ah. SLIDD (talk) 04:33, 15...

that created it (which makes them primary) and the other is a wiki (WP:USERG). Thus it fails criterion 1 of WP:NSOFTWARE. I was not able to find any...

not. I would say that those appear to be blogs that would run afoul of WP:USERG, and are not considered reliable sources for our purposes. Shawn in Montreal...

began his professional career in 2012". Enough said. Seriously, though - WP:USERG, WP:BLP1E and WP:IMDB pretty much cover it. Stalwart111 (talk) 04:49, 3...

stated above. SilverserenC 19:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC) I thought AO was USERG, but that article looks like it might not be. DM is a bit iffy for BLP:s...

IFDB review, as well as the extra reviews added to the page feel like WP:USERG; they're very articulate, passionate IF writers, but they're individuals...

A blog is not considered a reliable source by just about anyone. See WP:USERG. "'Comment"' See http://media.www.thesouthendnews.com/library-to-featur...

Steam storefront pages, etc, that are considered unreliable WP:VG/S, WP:USERG, and ineligible for proving notability. I'd like for this article to exist...

Merge Per nom. Random throwaway villain. The presented sources fail WP:USERG and fail to show he is notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)...

signed off as "JFH Reader Review". So, I believe that source would fail WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 20:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC) And the JFH review is not...

promoting the novel on Wikia, thus failing both WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and WP:USERG) and GoodReads. Not even one iota of actual media coverage in a real reliable...

wasn't an official anything from Guinness, it was an online poll so fails WP:USERG. Source 11, wow, this far before Valnet appears? Source 12, Complex, which...

available to establish notability. IMDb and MUBI are not reliable sources (WP:USERG). Nxcrypto Message 10:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC) Note: This discussion has...

(UTC)) Neither Wikipedia (see WP:WPNOTRS) nor IMDb (see WP:RS/IMDB and WP:USERG) are acceptable sources for establishing notability. 100's of articles are...

WP:SIGCOV. KatoKungLee (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Please read WP:USERG and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE as this is demonstrating a basic lack of knowledge about...

reflecting his views and opinions, and as such unacceptable per WP:RS. See WP:USERG: "Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also...

any critical reaction. Current sourcing is extremely WP:PRIMARY and WP:USERG heavy - the developer wiki, community forum, GitHub repo and YouTube make...

(Discogs) that is full of user-generated content, therefore failing WP:USERG. Anything that's frowned upon for in-text sourcing is also by extension...

trivial mentions in other material about the series itself, or fan votes (WP:USERG). The article in general fails WP:GNG and has nothing that could not simply...

SegaRetro, which is not a usable source - its a wiki as well, so it fails WP:USERG. And while you added a source, most of the prose actually there are just...

other wikis generally aren't considered reliable sources. (See WP:CIRC, WP:USERG and WP:PRIMARY if you're interested in the full policy rationales.) This...

not reliable sources and do not contribute to the game's notability (WP:USERG, WP:VG/USERREVIEW). A game being on Steam or greenlit for release on Steam...

say, no SIGCOV. Same as Headcrab. The amount of primary and unreliable/userg/walkthrough sourcing in use here is beyond bad. -- ferret (talk) 19:48,...

been a non-oversighted "student contribution" and so might fall under WP:USERG and the couple that are blogs) but on balance there's a few there which...

her past GNG. Two of the three are small, non-notable blogs that fail WP:USERG, and the third is a primary source video in which she's the interviewer...

fails WP:NSONG. Supplied sources include rateyourmusic which fails WP:USERG and is not allowed per WP:ALBUMAVOID. Another source is genius.com which...

subjectively important, we might call my views and others on forums like Reddit WP:USERG; unfortunately these aren't really the kind of sources we can use when trying...

the though the Fabian Pascal source is a blog, it is acceptable per WP:USERG: "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is...

WP:GNG. I do agree with the TA that using AnimeCons.com may violate WP:USERG, but I'm not entirely convinced that the rest of their concerns (while valid)...

citations. Two are from the subject in question, a fan-wiki, making it WP:USERG. 4 of the 7 remaining mention The Vault explicitly. Of these, basically...

and comments from fan accounts on social media aren't trustworthy per WP:USERG. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:12, 10 May 2026 (UTC) Note: this discussion...

support WP:GNG? Most of this is unreliable per WP:VG/S, and WP:TVTROPES is WP:USERG and really shouldn't be used at all. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 12:13, 4 April 2026 (UTC)...

cover the subject in some detail. ref # 1 is a Wiki and not reliable per WP:USERG ref #2 appears to be more like an announcement and does not appear to be...

editorial review is limited. Fails WP:USERG and WP:RS. The site was deprecated in 2025. [23] Epinions 2006 Discussion WP:USERG, no editorial oversight. Possibly...

article are sites that chart views and subscriber data which fall under WP:USERG and, regardless, have no context or significance for the subject in terms...

IMBD both of which are not reliable for sourcing per WP:RS/IMDB and WP:USERG "Intekam Drama On Geo Kahani" - TV type listing- pretty much a press release-...

considered reliable sources because they are considered “user generated” see WP:USERG hence not independent of the organization thus is of no value to WP:NCORP...

which anyone can create and maintain - and are generally disallowed per wp:USERG — Lil Happy Lil Sad :): 06:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more...

reliable. "Call of Duty Wiki" is absolutely not a reliable source per WP:USERG. I'm going to do my own research and wait for some more experienced editors...

[4] - hahnchen 04:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC) That's a stretch, because WP:USERG clearly states that webforums (of which FlighSim has) are not acceptable...

provenance and quality of the sources is poor, with many non-RS sources, WP:USERG, listicles with no WP:SIGCOV and several sources that are WP:OFFLINE and...

MakeUseOf article, which is about the beta. The Chrome store falls under WP:USERG. Fails WP:GNG. Also, does anyone else find it a touch coincidental that...

blogs attached to news outlets are often considered reliable sources per WP:USERG as long as they are written by journalists and given editorial review (which...

2019 (UTC) Hello @Kylejinx: Please check WP:RS. IMDb is not valid, see WP:USERG neither is Facebook or Spotify or Instagram. If you can find independent...

general web search) and came up empty. none of it independent per WP:RS / WP:USERG. So I'm not going to argue this passes GNG as written, because I don't think...

on the subject and that site is not a WP:VG/RS). Above wiki link is WP:USERG and not reliable. Redirect would be suitable if target article had any info...

Reading list, most of the material there would fall into the category of WP:USERG, which was the issue from the start. In total, I'd say we're looking at...

is well used across the WP:s and media. My question is, is this actually USERG fan-art as claimed, or is there a pre-2008 original somewhere? Gråbergs...

America. Jamiebuba (talk) 20:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC) Delete, all primary and WP:USERG sources. WhichUserAmI 21:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC) Yes I am aware, fixing it...

rating. 4 just links to the Channel 4 website. Probably a dead link. 5 is WP:USERG and essentially just a list. 6 covers a completely different rating system...

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Jeannie_Aur_Juju is a Wiki and unacceptable due to WP:USERG www.imdb.com is not considered reliable for the same reason [1] is not accepted...

user-generated listings and don’t establish notability (WP:RS, WP:ROUTINE, WP:USERG). Stub content with no demonstrated independent reception or impact. ConeKota...

(UTC)  Done: Cleaned up bare URLs and removed content aggregator per WP:USERG. Also changed format of the references to Billboard and Mix Magazine from...

Notes Disqus forums User-contributed 1 WP:SPS IMDb User-contributed — WP:USERG, WP:RS/IMDb Can be used as an external link – see WP:ELPEREN nickandmore...

verified, and therefore is unreliable), fandom-wiki (which is unreliable per USERG as it is a wiki), and the official Box Critters website (which, when used...

times, and I'm sure as hell not notable.) Blogs and IMDb are no-go per WP:USERG, and listings, as either a photographer or TV cast member/guest don't fulfil...

himself-AINH (talk) 11:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC) @AINH: Ah okay, I saw that on WP:USERG. Thank you :) -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 11:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC) The...

Chicago Food Truck Festival. Thelegaldude (talk) 04:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC) WP:USERG Twitchymeatbag (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion has...

TIME magazine article) I added. The planetarium blog is borderline, per USERG, but it is described as their "official" blog, so they endorse its contents...

In general blogs (WP:BLOGS) and webpages of user-submitted content (WP:USERG) are not acceptable. The WP:verifiability policy is a little more strict...

potential sources. Also, borderline user-generated and discouraged by WP:USERG, not to mention potentially AI-generated or AI-assisted. Also, would be...

August 2023 (UTC) The Giantbomb source you listed is a wiki that fails WP:USERG. (The article literally has a "last edited by [username] on it" note on...

actual music journalists". Wikitam331 (talk) 18:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC) WP:USERG. You called it a "biography", the site itself calls it a "review" - it's...

https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page, don't use it as a source. See WP:USERG, it's short. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC) Hello ...

necessarily reflect those of the staff. "Community writer" = it fails WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 11:31, 26 August 2022 (UTC) I took the liberty of removing...

agree with what you say, and I'm not okay with any of the social media/WP:USERG-violating sources either. I'm open to input on the remainder of the sources...

articles can not be used to establish notability per WP:WPNOTRS and WP:USERG. the Japanese wiki article mentioned in a previous comment doesn't appear...

250 times in Wikipedia and the Telegraph is a mainstream newspaper. WP:USERG says "Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these...

applied to living people without sourcing. The main reference here is to a WP:USERG wiki site. Elizium23 (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC) Oppose. It's wildly...

name and let them write whatever they want. This sort of content fails WP:USERG - it's not considered a reliable sources in the Wikipedia context, and thus...

Sega-16's content is volunteer-contributed and should be avoided due to WP:USERG concerns. Independent G·N·B·S·RS·Talk·LS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 Shmuplations...

that their edits violate Wikipedia's guidelines on original research, WP:USERG, and WP:ALBUMAVOID, as dispute resolution doesn't seem to be helping. Upon...

your changes to the articles, it is WP:ARTN. You added [[16] which is a WP:USERG and again not an RS. Reliable sources are published materials with a reliable...

standalone articles on these episodes, a lot are random people's blogs, WP:USERG applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC) Keep. Many of the sources...

was unsuitable, as a blog, evidently unaware of the exceptions under WP:USERG (though whether it applies in the case of the source then in question, I'm...

and on all the other policies I invoked during the discussion, such as WP:USERG (which I cited in regards to the uncredentialed YouTube videos he cited...

for reliable video game sources. Sites like Know Your Meme are obvious WP:USERG. Lots of listicles, which is fine, but none of them really describe the...

Obsidi, The two sources you supposedly “confirmed“ the dates with are WP:USERG genealogical sites. Perhaps you should refrain from WP:RS discussions -...

new tv season. Or that wikia/ fandom falls under the rule/ guideline WP:USERG. Then starting from here (note; In the edit summary I might have been irritated...

moving user:Jojhutton's statement here: And just by taking a look at WP:USERG, one will see that IMDB is actually named as being unacceptable because...

looks like it's replacing a citation to the IMDb. The IMDb is listed in WP:USERG as the canonical example of an unreliable source. The website cited says...

and medals and Category:Royalty Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OC and WP:USERG/WP:RS Currently, this category doesn't aid navigation because it only contains...

articles. Additional question from Aeonx 25. What are your thoughts on WP:USERG; under what circumstances do you think it might add value to Wikipedia?...

later, since it was too trivial to be included and was only sourced by WP:USERG. Delete per nom. WTR (hello) 22:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC) Delete. Enwiki has...

question, like [12][13]. I don't know of any essay etc on that, but WP:USERG applies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC) It's an...

Nairaland (ref 2), and Lailasblog (ref 9) sources are not reliable per WP:USERG. References 3 through 7, 10 through 15, and 17 through 21 are about the...

Sungodtemple's statements are not false. Source #1 is a forum, invalid per WP:USERG. Source #2 is unreliable self-published social media, also invalid for notability...

your edit on the page because TV Tropes is not a reliable source, per WP:USERG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dissident93 (talk • contribs) 2018-02-10T05:03:14...

similar to WP:FORBES where we assume that most things on Fandom are WP:USERG and unreliable but allow for certain contributors who meet the criteria...

(talk) 19:45, 26 July 2018 (UTC) Correct. It sounds like it would fails WP:USERG. (Also, potentially WP:ROUTINE as well.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:01, 26 July...

this. No content removed whatsoever, just the links to WP:CIRCULAR and WP:USERG references. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC) See above,...

have this article we should. You can't use WP as a source on WP, see WP:USERG. The video looks WP:SPS afaict, but with the museum website it'll make a...

considered reliable sources, but some exceptions apply. Quoting from WP:USERG: "Self-published material may be acceptable when produced by an established...

(UTC) A forum post is not likely to be considered a reliable source; see WP:USERG. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:25, 29 September 2011 (UTC) I want to use that...

is not really about the popularity of the subject matter. Please see WP:USERG for why IMDB and YouTube videos are not good evidence of notability. The...

five sources are invalid ones (#1 fails WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and #5 fails WP:USERG.) If a good article citing good sources could be written, I'd say to keep...

Business Times ibtimes.co.in See WP:IBTIMES — — IMDb User-contributed — — WP:USERG, WP:RS/IMDB, WP:RS Considered community-wide to not be a reliable source...

user states that this article is acceptable for the statement made per WP:USERG because the author is a named member of the site's staff rather than an...

screenshot of a now-unavailable source website is the correct one. As to WP:USERG, I think this does fall under that category because tinypics images are...

2016 (UTC) Comment How does this pass GNG? Unreliable sources as per WP:USERG, and WP:RSSELF. 173.52.99.208 (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2016 (UTC) keep I should...

for this. --Masem (t) 20:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Don't cite IMDb It's USERG, and, for what it's worth, if we can implicitly cite films and TV shows...

self published and not independently published by a third party source WP:USERG, and in any case not available from a source outside Wikipedia. By uploading...

November 2024 (UTC) Giant Bomb is a user-generated fan wiki, and fails WP:USERG. The "Bad Game Hall of Fame" is a one-man Wordpress WP:BLOG and the other...

(UTC) In general, I think bottom of article is reasonable, since WQ is WP:USERG and shouldn't be given more "attention" than external links. I may be pessimistic...

Both Discogs and Setlist.com, cited multiple times in the article, fail WP:USERG as well. Sergecross73 msg me 18:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC) Redirect back...

amount of the voice actors, but am not sure if it is reliable enough per WP:USERG. Genshin mainly announces VAs via Twitter and their other social media,...

this reason, I think we should evaluate this particular article under WP:USERG and WP:SPS even if other articles at Globalresearch.org are RS. The author...

Columbia University. College publications are not considered RS per {{WP:USERG]] - it doesn't matter that the website is overseen - the material isn't...

a wiki as a reference on Wikipedia, the answer is generally no, see WP:USERG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC) If you mean, should...

database entry (Gamespot). Also, the GiantBomb is a wiki, so it fails WP:USERG, and Sega.jp is a first party source because it's Sega's website and they...

does WP:USERG not disqualify all three of the sources Czarkoff posted? – Pnm (talk) 01:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I do not read the list of WP:USERG exceptions...

Regarding both of the sources you've now provided, they fail WP:RS as WP:USERG. Both are open encyclopedia/dictory type sites. -- ferret (talk) 20:49,...

is coverage-by-submission (I could have added that information - see WP:USERG) and the other is nowhere near "significant coverage" with one line (seemingly...

submit data for live shows and their setlists. It is a violation of WP:USERG, and is used in numerous articles (see here). It would be helpful for setlist...

is reliable, the one listed above is just a user-blog that would fail WP:USERG. The Joystiq one is a reliable source...but its debatable if its significant...

by experts may be reliable. See WP:USERG. ~KvnG 06:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC) Really? Here's what it says at WP:USERG: "Anyone can create a personal web...

you referring to? The only reviews linked are from g2.com and are all WP:USERG and most definitely not acceptable for sourcing, let alone GNG. And which...

April 2024 (UTC) They don't. Many of these are unreliable, some even WP:USERG. Almost all are just plot summaries. You need indepth significant coverage...

your edits you added a reference to Wikipedia - I would take a look at WP:USERG and the rest of the reliable sources guideline before continuing to add...

host (talk) 03:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC) @BobEnyart:, you can start with WP:USERG: Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally...

2018 (UTC) Ballotpedia is no longer an open wiki, so I don't think that WP:USERG applies there anymore. -- RobLa (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC) Yeah...

even if they have no release date. The sources obviously need work (WP:USERG; WP:PRIMARY), and said work will result in a smaller article; for example...

interesting (not for arguing that the article should be kept, anyway). No WP:USERG sources are. The Wired source seems decent, it helps the argument for WP:GNG/WP:BASIC...

just a random person who uploaded it, then it's going to fail WP:RS, WP:USERG, WP:SPS, etc. The bigger issue is probably that you're trying to source...

1sjjmhbt0 (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2015 (UTC) Here is the applicable guideline: WP:USERG. if there are exceptions to this guideline, or if IMDb now has an editorial...

"Vocal is powered by creators of all kinds and their stories." this seems WP:USERG to me, so, not of much use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:40, 7 May 2020...

(UTC)) Neither Wikipedia (see WP:WPNOTRS) nor IMDb (see WP:RS/IMDB and WP:USERG) are acceptable sources for establishing notability. 100's of articles are...

little more than a tracklist, sources are unreliable and/or violating WP:USERG. I'd be happy to reconsider should someone dig up some better sources, but...

WP:USERG. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC) It reads like a press-release or paid advertorial, which certainly doesn't meet WP:USERG -...

processes at newspapers, peer review in journals, etc). See WP:SPS and WP:USERG. Dreamyshade (talk) 11:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC) I concur with cantaloupe;...

and medals and Category:Royalty Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OC and WP:USERG/WP:RS Currently, this category doesn't aid navigation because it only contains...

to these particular questions. On to specifics. Astrodatabank No, see WP:USERG. Tvguide Should be ok, see WP:RSP. Ranker.com Per the hits I checked at...

sourced, and lacks sources that establish SIGCOV: one of the three is WP:USERG. Given the consensus with Irregardless, which I nominated for deletion,...

just a random person who uploaded it, then it's going to fail WP:RS, WP:USERG, WP:SPS, etc. The bigger issue is probably that you're trying to source...

fansite pages which are not considered reliable sources (WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:USERG). Did not find anything notable in google books etc. -Wikishagnik 03:15...

addressed above as to why they're not acceptable: Digital Journal = WP:USERG sites are never acceptable referencing under any circumstances; EW = not...

blogger. Sputnik Music isn't usable when its a "user review", which fails WP:USERG. The only passable looking one is maybe "CrypticRock", and even then I'm...

ProgArchives is deemed unreliable at WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES, I believe due to WP:USERG issues. So, I'm inclined to believe this would be the same, and it's unreliable...

The article is only supported by user-generated sources, thus fails WP:USERG and WP:RS. Hakken (talk) 22:46, 23 August 2017 (UTC) Note: This debate has...

wp:sigcov. The fourth source, however, may be valid. The fourth source is WP:USERG per Richard3120. wp:Before source searches: One result on newspapers.com...

games/Esports, but I see you found that already. In general, no WP:SPS, no WP:USERG. It's ok to use non-English sources, but they still have to be WP:RS. Gråbergs...

which is WP:USERG (also per MUSICRS). When it comes to sputnik, the source is a user review (not tagged as staff), which falls under the WP:USERG caveat which...

name and let them write whatever they want. This sort of content fails WP:USERG - it's not considered a reliable sources in the Wikipedia context, and thus...

necessarily reflect those of the staff. "Community writer" = it fails WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 11:31, 26 August 2022 (UTC) I took the liberty of removing...

articles can not be used to establish notability per WP:WPNOTRS and WP:USERG. the Japanese wiki article mentioned in a previous comment doesn't appear...

services) are a fair way of judging notability (+ likely borders on WP:USERG); besides, I'm sure I could find plenty of notability-clearing song article...

neither prove nor disprove notability. The argument technically fails WP:USERG. IceWelder [✉] 15:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

In general blogs (WP:BLOGS) and webpages of user-submitted content (WP:USERG) are not acceptable. The WP:verifiability policy is a little more strict...

addressed above as to why they're not acceptable: Digital Journal = WP:USERG sites are never acceptable referencing under any circumstances; EW = not...

book - see WP:USERG and WP:NOTINHERITED. This is just a list of publications, see WP:ENN. This and this are blog entries, see WP:USERG again. Yunshui...

November 2020 (UTC) Hello Amrahlawymasry! No per WP:COPYPASTE, and see also WP:USERG, in short wikis are almost always not sources that should be used on WP...

passing mentions, which is not good enough for WP:GNG. Other sources are WP:USERG. — Stringy Acid (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2017 (UTC) The above discussion is...

agree with what you say, and I'm not okay with any of the social media/WP:USERG-violating sources either. I'm open to input on the remainder of the sources...

according to WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES is a "Non-professional review website, fails WP:USERG". Thus the German site has zero usable sources as far as English Wikipedia...

other games with articles. Player engagement does not create notability; WP:USERG et al. WP:NVG and WP:GNG have to be met instead; the Steam review count...

Nairaland (ref 2), and Lailasblog (ref 9) sources are not reliable per WP:USERG. References 3 through 7, 10 through 15, and 17 through 21 are about the...

January 2022 (UTC) @Talamioros, See WP:COPYPASTE, WP:PLAGIARISM and WP:USERG. What may be useful on other wikis are the sources they use, if any. Gråbergs...

Gossip blogger Setlist.FM 2018 Discussion Fails WP:USERG WhoSampled 2017 Discussion Fails WP:USERG Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources Wikipedia:WikiProject...

2400:1A00:BD11:1368:8939:89E2:2BBF:1E3 (talk) 05:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC) Per WP:USERG, your website is not a useful source on WP. For the same reason, we don't...

lot of unreliable/unusable sources. For example, any wikis would fail WP:USERG. That all needs to go. Every entry needs to be reliably sourced. See WP:VG/S...

(UTC) @Rosedelune: no, iMDb is not considered a reliable source (see WP:USERG) as artists can pay to edit their own articles and users can add their own...

19:50, 5 October 2018 (UTC) From what I see they would qualify under WP:USERG. Which goes along the disclaimers at the bottom of their articles Our reviews...

2020 (UTC) metalinjection since its addition has always been tagged as WP:USERG at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, which brings it into serious issues...

Blocky44 (talk) (contribs) 16:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC) @Blocky44 Per WP:USERG, Fandom is mostly useless for WP-purposes in itself, but it's not impossible...

of a USERG source is made conditional on whether the writer can be proven or disproven as a COI editor making fake sourcing for themselves — USERG sources...

but the types of things for which it can be used are quite narrow. See WP:USERG and WP:SELFSOURCE S Philbrick(Talk) 18:11, 4 June 2020 (UTC) Thank you....

com and whosampledwho.com are not reliable sources because they fail WP:USERG (see WP:ALBUMAVOID for a list of unreliable sources.) The closest we come...

(talk) 19:45, 26 July 2018 (UTC) Correct. It sounds like it would fails WP:USERG. (Also, potentially WP:ROUTINE as well.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:01, 26 July...

verified, and therefore is unreliable), fandom-wiki (which is unreliable per USERG as it is a wiki), and the official Box Critters website (which, when used...

Columbia University. College publications are not considered RS per {{WP:USERG]] - it doesn't matter that the website is overseen - the material isn't...

turn up much, only primary/social media accounts, storefronts, a single USERG review at RPG.net, mentions on unreliable amateur RPG blogs, and so on....

Reading list, most of the material there would fall into the category of WP:USERG, which was the issue from the start. In total, I'd say we're looking at...

21:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC) Nobody, and certainly not me, said that VH1 was USERG. But what the VH1 links are is streaming copies of the music videos — see...

IMBD both of which are not reliable for sourcing per WP:RS/IMDB and WP:USERG "Intekam Drama On Geo Kahani" - TV type listing- pretty much a press release-...

accounts of the band/record label. Otherwise, there are WP:COPYVIO and WP:USERG issues. Sergecross73 msg me 12:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC) You are misunderstanding...

is reliable, the one listed above is just a user-blog that would fail WP:USERG. The Joystiq one is a reliable source...but its debatable if its significant...

warrant its own standalone article. And the sourcing here, which fails WP:USERG pretty much right across the board, is not remotely solid enough to make...

JSTOR · TWL) I can only find info about this album on discogs, which is WP:USERG. Cannot find any other sources that suggests this passes WP:NALBUM or WP:GNG...

SegaRetro, which is not a usable source - its a wiki as well, so it fails WP:USERG. And while you added a source, most of the prose actually there are just...

name and let them write whatever they want. This sort of content fails WP:USERG - it's not considered a reliable sources in the Wikipedia context, and thus...

been a non-oversighted "student contribution" and so might fall under WP:USERG and the couple that are blogs) but on balance there's a few there which...

2007-2010 at least. There is the possibility that it's just wrong because WP:USERG, or that the one who served on the board is actually a different person...

himself-AINH (talk) 11:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC) @AINH: Ah okay, I saw that on WP:USERG. Thank you :) -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 11:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC) The...

are usable, don't use guest reviews recognizable by a tag, which fail WP:USERG", and the review on that page for this album is from 2007, so not useable...

(UTC) @Rosedelune: no, iMDb is not considered a reliable source (see WP:USERG) as artists can pay to edit their own articles and users can add their own...

A blog is not considered a reliable source by just about anyone. See WP:USERG. "'Comment"' See http://media.www.thesouthendnews.com/library-to-featur...

result was delete. The relevant policy for sources is WP:RS, specifically WP:USERG. Generally blogs are not considered reliable sources, although there are...

considered reliable sources because they are considered “user generated” see WP:USERG hence not independent of the organization thus is of no value to WP:NCORP...

advertisements for performances and other stuff that is more WP:PROMO and WP:USERG. I welcome the creator to identify refs that are clearly independent and...

(User:Louieblakesarmiento) cites his own blog in the article. Probably a breach of WP:USERG. Article is mainly promotional and WP:POV-ed. Main contributor seems to...

19:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC) This lexicon is not a reliable source, as per WP:USERG: "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim...

not. I would say that those appear to be blogs that would run afoul of WP:USERG, and are not considered reliable sources for our purposes. Shawn in Montreal...

(UTC) CommentSlamCam Films is the director's own website, and thus fails WP:USERG; it's not acceptable as a demonstration of notability. I don't doubt that...

comments, and various posts from astrology forums (all are either WP:SPS or WP:USERG). Absolutely no coverage in popular Indian media. Vote for speedy deletion...

such as actual concert reviews in reliable sources. And apart from the USERG discussion forum, the only other reference present here at all is their...

not reliable sources and do not contribute to the game's notability (WP:USERG, WP:VG/USERREVIEW). A game being on Steam or greenlit for release on Steam...

sources per WP:RELIABLE. They seem to be self-published sources (see WP:USERG) and therefore lack checking of the facts before they are published. If...

five sources are invalid ones (#1 fails WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and #5 fails WP:USERG.) If a good article citing good sources could be written, I'd say to keep...

the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control" per WP:USERG. Unfortunately, none of the sources meet the above criteria which means...

website which isn't generally accepted as a reliable source, according to WP:USERG. The other two are short obituaries; I don't think obituaries can be used...

For WP:BASIC, blogs are no good, see WP:BLOG, wikis are no good, see WP:USERG, interviews can be problematic, see WP:Interviews. I can't have an opinion...

and one edition of Who's Who on TV are all I can find, everythig else is USERG. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included...

but that is not the issue here. It was mentioned that WWWJDIC might be WP:USERG, but this seems like a faulty argument to me. Jim Breen is a recognized...

per WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC) I concur that their lyrics contribution pages smack quite afoul of WP:USERG, but I have...

blogs attached to news outlets are often considered reliable sources per WP:USERG as long as they are written by journalists and given editorial review (which...

presented, and is mostly sourced to unreliable sources (Moby Games - fails WP:USERG) or first party sources (interviews, the company/games themselves, etc.)...

Chicago Food Truck Festival. Thelegaldude (talk) 04:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC) WP:USERG Twitchymeatbag (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion has...

on the subject and that site is not a WP:VG/RS). Above wiki link is WP:USERG and not reliable. Redirect would be suitable if target article had any info...

off the bat the site is to be avoided because it is self-published; WP:USERG. This actually makes it completely unacceptable as a source for information...

and The Appera looks very much like a communal blog. All seem to fail WP:USERG. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC) This article is important but...

signed off as "JFH Reader Review". So, I believe that source would fail WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 20:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC) And the JFH review is not...

reliable. "Call of Duty Wiki" is absolutely not a reliable source per WP:USERG. I'm going to do my own research and wait for some more experienced editors...

Google results turn up nothing besides a page on Genius, which is a WP:USERG website so the hoax looks to have spread to there as well. The purported...

one from about.com is pretty bad. It fairly obviously falls into the WP:USERG category and would be like using Wikipedia as a source. Should probably...

your changes to the articles, it is WP:ARTN. You added [[19] which is a WP:USERG and again not an RS. Reliable sources are published materials with a reliable...

[24] - hahnchen 04:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC) That's a stretch, because WP:USERG clearly states that webforums (of which FlighSim has) are not acceptable...

good indication for lacking notability. The article exclusively uses WP:USERG content as sources (either via YouTube or Niconico). IceWelder [✉] 14:49...

times, and I'm sure as hell not notable.) Blogs and IMDb are no-go per WP:USERG, and listings, as either a photographer or TV cast member/guest don't fulfil...

dates, which fails WP:NTOUR, and a set list from Setlist.fm, which fails WP:USERG. However, this one at least has some sourced references to Billboard Boxoffice...

that claim, currently the reference cited is a blog, which violates WP:USERG. Notability, though is still a concern unfortunately as there aren't enough...

her past GNG. Two of the three are small, non-notable blogs that fail WP:USERG, and the third is a primary source video in which she's the interviewer...

blatantly user-submitted and not marked as official staff content fails WP:USERG, but I do not think it is fair to blanket-treat this as an "open site for...

as they can be written by anyone signs up for an account - violating WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 02:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC) Delete A lack of sources that...

Achint2182 (talk) 06:09, 21 September 2019 (UTC) @Achint2182: WP:USERG and WP:SELFPUB would be the most immediately relevant guidelines, but the...

unreliable. (Like Sputnik Music user written reviews, which violate WP:USERG, per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 21 December 2017 (UTC)...

supposed to; it's possible that the editors who did so didn't know about WP:USERG). Thoughts? Nightscream (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2014 (UTC) I am going to expand...

there are external links to Goodreads, Amazon, and other sites (see WP:USERG) but I have found nothing in reviews of the genre, Google books, or even...

such as references 1-4, 6, 8-11, 13 are largely not acceptable (see WP:USERG). References 5, 7 appear to have been directly or indirectly published by...

so I think he could count as a reliable expert/professional as per WP:USERG. Hi all, I was wondering if the website "ConsultingCase101" was a reliable...

user-generated sources such as Discogs to support its content, going against WP:USERG. Hakken (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC) Note: This debate has been...

few or no other edits outside this topic. On IMDb and reliability, see WP:USERG. And in this case, the IMDb entry was contributed by... "Creative Talent...

(album) per nomination. None of the actually reliable sources (excluding USERG like Discogs, Genius, and SongFacts) are exclusively about the song, many...

content is absolutely not reliable and the entire wiki is obviously WP:USERG. The Russian Wikipedia which had this page (ru:soyjak.party) before the...

Baike being an openly collaborative wiki-like encyclopedia makes it fail WP:USERG already. 野狼院ひさし u/t/c 06:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC) The above discussion is...

to primary sources (markknopfler.net), unreliable sources that fail WP:USERG (Songfacts and Setlist.fm) and passing mentions in full album reviews. I'm...

organization. See WP:USERG.- MrX 13:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC) But its an email from the governing body themselves? I don't think WP:USERG falls within that...

TIME magazine article) I added. The planetarium blog is borderline, per USERG, but it is described as their "official" blog, so they endorse its contents...

trivial mentions in other material about the series itself, or fan votes (WP:USERG). The article in general fails WP:GNG and has nothing that could not simply...

filmography section from an unreliable source evidenced by consensus at WP:USERG and Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb, and remain for years...

user-generated content User-generated content is unacceptable as a source (WP:USERG). I've removed Discogs since it doesn't appear to have anything useful or...

referenced in the article only briefly mention his name. Other references are WP:USERG, and I couldn't find any other secondary source. — Stringy Acid (talk) 23:12...

2019 (UTC) Hello @Kylejinx: Please check WP:RS. IMDb is not valid, see WP:USERG neither is Facebook or Spotify or Instagram. If you can find independent...

2018 (UTC) Ballotpedia is no longer an open wiki, so I don't think that WP:USERG applies there anymore. -- RobLa (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC) Yeah...

provided by page creator either did not mention the subject or were WP:USERG. PROD removed by article creator without comment. This article has been...

citations. Two are from the subject in question, a fan-wiki, making it WP:USERG. 4 of the 7 remaining mention The Vault explicitly. Of these, basically...

19:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC) This lexicon is not a reliable source, as per WP:USERG: "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim...

article are sites that chart views and subscriber data which fall under WP:USERG and, regardless, have no context or significance for the subject in terms...

considered reliable sources, but some exceptions apply. Quoting from WP:USERG: "Self-published material may be acceptable when produced by an established...

processes at newspapers, peer review in journals, etc). See WP:SPS and WP:USERG. Dreamyshade (talk) 11:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC) I concur with cantaloupe;...

stated above. SilverserenC 19:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC) I thought AO was USERG, but that article looks like it might not be. DM is a bit iffy for BLP:s...

Google News pulls up nothing. A general Google search result pulls up WP:USERG sites. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:39, 25 June 2015 (UTC) Note: This debate has...

is coverage-by-submission (I could have added that information - see WP:USERG) and the other is nowhere near "significant coverage" with one line (seemingly...

self-published sources with little, if any editorial review. I think they fail WP:USERG as well, and cannot imagine a scenario where they should be linked on Wikipedia...

the though the Fabian Pascal source is a blog, it is acceptable per WP:USERG: "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is...

user states that this article is acceptable for the statement made per WP:USERG; the author is a named member of the site's staff rather than an anonymous...

community blog that doesn't seem to have any professional writers (See WP:USERG). The other sources seem to be more established news blogs, but they only...

promoting the novel on Wikia, thus failing both WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and WP:USERG) and GoodReads. Not even one iota of actual media coverage in a real reliable...

you provided on your article do not qualify as reliable sources under WP:USERG I suggest you read that. JayJayTalk to me 21:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)...

[22] - hahnchen 04:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC) That's a stretch, because WP:USERG clearly states that webforums (of which FlighSim has) are not acceptable...

an easy one. You can take your pick of WP:QUESTIONABLE, WP:RS/SPS, or WP:USERG. You can even take advantage of our special offer -- get all three for the...

WP:UGC, often inaccurate. — JFG talk 02:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Yes: WP:USERG; no editorial oversight. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:23, 1 March 2019 (UTC)...

began his professional career in 2012". Enough said. Seriously, though - WP:USERG, WP:BLP1E and WP:IMDB pretty much cover it. Stalwart111 (talk) 04:49, 3...

coverage in reliable sources. The second, third, and tenth sources are WP:USERG. The remaining sources do not discuss the subject. None of the subject's...

sexological information. (As far as I am concerned, it clearly fails WP:USERG/WP:SPS. There are plenty of scholarly sources in this area that Wikipedia...

their videos, Facebook, and Blogspot are either affiliated or fall under WP:USERG or WP:SPS - Movidiam's page on Abraham Marcos establishes that he exists...

field can be treated as self published sozrces an expert (see WP:SPS, WP:USERG). In short they may be acceptable in articles as source, whether they are...

this. No content removed whatsoever, just the links to WP:CIRCULAR and WP:USERG references. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC) See above,...

can nevertheless argue the established expert exception here (Wikipedia:USERG). Moreover if the content of that webpage is just a copy of an article,...

not they fact check. Meatsgains (talk) 02:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC) From WP:USERG, "Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these...

Ubisoft employee while promoting their games. Similarly, the list is WP:USERG, not written by OpenCritic. You can find the archived version here. — ImaginesTigers...

MakeUseOf article, which is about the beta. The Chrome store falls under WP:USERG. Fails WP:GNG. Also, does anyone else find it a touch coincidental that...

— Aaqib Ahmad Talk 11:07, 29 August 2020 (UTC) Like you said, it's WP:USERG, thus "generally unacceptable." per guideline. Nothing at infodrips.com/about/...

knowledgeable individuals.--New questions? 21:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC) WP:USERG states open wikis are unreliable with the exception of material on such...

A Q U E A T E 13:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC) You might want to consult WP:USERG for a site like this. There are specific circumstances under which a self-published...

I recently saw a series of edits where one editor removed sources because they were unreliable (self-published and user-generated) and a second editor...

supports this view (the view being get it out yesterday), and of course WP:USERG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC) Probably not any good...

registration certificate) made to the USPTO is not RS as it's more or less WP:USERG. Anyone can put anything in an application. Also in my opinion, BMI may...

not be used as reliable sources for references, for reasons given at WP:USERG. I have therefore removed that from the references, but included a wikilink...

be fine as an external link if the articles cover the same thing, but WP:USERG disqualifies it as a source from the beginning. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:23...

could be more, implying that review is a user submission, thus failing USERG. See how the recent Haunted Mansion lists 13 reviews and an average rating...

3 March 2018 (UTC) I'm not sure how you could grant an exception to WP:USERG for this, and I say this as an active member of VGMdb. Also, edits there...

Hi. Can anyone please tell me, whether this thesis can be considered as a reliable source to expand Saadat Ali Khan I article. This is written by Ashirbadi...

these links to provide some sort of WP:TLDR. The google groups link is WP:USERG. According to WP:INTERVIEWS. the biznews source is a non-independent source:...

nonsense before they knew it was a hoax. How much better is it than a WP:USERG if they effectively don't review it? -Obsidi (talk) 21:17, 8 October 2018...

"unambiguous policy violation." Further, the most relevant guideline, WP:USERG states that sites like IMDB are "largely not acceptable" (emphasis added)...

knowledgeable individuals.--New questions? 21:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC) WP:USERG states open wikis are unreliable with the exception of material on such...

reflecting his views and opinions, and as such unacceptable per WP:RS. See WP:USERG: "Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also...

2014 (UTC) Sites with user-generated content, are not reliable under WP:USERG, which is part of WP:IRS. This includes forums, message boards, other wikis...

are listed on the RS section of WP:VG/S at all. They both appear to be WP:USERG blog posts. Perhaps confirm if they are written by any form of journalist...

Comment - Actually, I think the Riverdale Press blog might actually meet WP:USERG standards, which specifically indicates that "news outlets host interactive...

"Self-published sources (online and paper) Shortcuts: WP:USERGENERATED WP:USERG WP:UGC Main page: WP:SPS Anyone can create a personal web page or publish...

valid, some are bunk, just like eeggs.com and this is the very reason why userg isn't permitted here. Your proclamation that you'll revert every removal...

social media like Facebook and fansites are not reliable sources (see WP:USERG) because anyone can write anything there; nor is Wikipedia, for the same...

no thanks. "In particular, a wikilink is not a reliable source." per WP:USERG. Toddst1 (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC) Thanks for the link to the...

YT-video interviews, but stuff like [58] (TheOdd1sOut) just seems like WP:USERG text. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 5 May 2022 (UTC) Is this site reliable...

(talk) 09:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC) @اوهریش, wikis in general fall under WP:USERG, and I see nothing at the site that hints it should be an exception. But...

self-published content of that author, and evaluate per WP:SPS's and WP:USERG's expert criteria. For example, if Joshua Mark has been published elsewhere...

Dash, your sources comprise the following: My Little Wiki, which fails WP:USERG. A Google Trends chart which, for me at least, is blank. That may be a failure...

sources is fine. The links you've added seem to be a couple of blogs(See WP:USERG). One of those blogs I can't identify any information about who authors...

in the {{reflist}}, how should I handle this? Do I remove the ref per WP:USERG and leave it unreferenced, or do I tag the reference with some template...

link to a page on another wiki with hundreds of users, which is thus WP:USERG content and can not be used for material in a BLP a newspaper article about...

is user-generated, and the site itself is specifically mentioned in WP:USERG as unreliable. The filmography section of the IMDb is no more reliable than...

that Facebook example has no bearing here. If you read and understand WP:USERG, you'll understand why a Wordpress is generally not a usuable source. Anyone...

etc. This is because that data is sourced from GameFAQs, an unreliable USERG database. That's also why we don't source user reviews (unless covered by...

validating the reliability of contents. That's the case here. See also WP:USERG and WP:Attribution#Using questionable or self-published sources, Editors...

opinion from AXS which are a ticket merchant site that appears to have WP:USERG content where "contributors" write articles for their site. This rang several...

reliable, except under very limited circumstances as per WP:SPS and WP:USERG. --Luke Warmwater101 (talk) 05:17, 5 February 2014 (UTC) I asked because...

billions of WP:USERG websites out there. Even without this RFC, anyone should feel free to remove citations to the website, linking USERG in the edit summary...

that Facebook example has no bearing here. If you read and understand WP:USERG, you'll understand why a Wordpress is generally not a usuable source. Anyone...

deleted. This site is quite different than Orthodox Wiki (a clear case of WP:USERG), so I think that lumping all of these together leads to an incoherent and...

sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. Reliable sources (from WP:USERG) Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these may...

give his published material any credibility on this topic (according to WP:USERG). The publisher has no comparison, credibility-wize, comparing to Taylor...

Temporary semi-protection: Persistent changes by IP-hopping editor citing WP:USERG source. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 20:48, 26 July 2021...

fine. I am surprised to find that Rotten Tomatoes is explicitly NOT WP:USERG, when checking the uncredited appearances. Aren't users able to add/remove...

sources are reliable enough for it to gets in own page. I get about WP:USERG but the thing is that genre pages on RYM are sourced and approved before...

this has it's own guideline, WP:EL. On the face of it, this seems to be WP:USERG opinions/comments by interested netizens, and IMO that's not good enough...

October 2025 (UTC) Note that hiddensongs.com is not a reliable source per WP:USERG. Binksternet (talk) 06:34, 3 October 2025 (UTC) I have left the pre-existing...

Jytdog (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)) Noyes to #1, and no to #2. USERG absolutely applies. --MASEM (t) 02:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC) Yes and no...

2024 (UTC) @ARandomName123 From what I can see on Commons, that is a WP:USERG image, not one with any WP-relevance, though I've seen worse. I don't think...

copyright of the publisher, if the work is not in an open access journal. (The userg aspect is also there too). One could say there's a fair use allowance by...

Brett Makedonski was an official writer for Destructoid, so it's not WP:USERG. RPGMaker is a primary source; it was written by the developers. I've removed...

---The Old JacobiteThe '45 00:02, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Refs fall under WP:USERG, external links under WP:ELNO (which is a different discussion). Open wikis...

explicit subject. Concerning the Streamer Awards: these are borderline WP:USERG and don't contribute towards notability in the absence of other good sourcing...

database entry (Gamespot). Also, the GiantBomb is a wiki, so it fails WP:USERG, and Sega.jp is a first party source because it's Sega's website and they...

Cheers. – 2.O.Boxing 13:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Per [56] I'd say this is WP:USERG, so no WP:DOB. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Yea looking...

history | links | watch | logs) Reason: An IP editor is repeatedly adding WP:USERG data with unreliable sources and ignoring requests to stop. - adamstom97...

Comment - Actually, I think the Riverdale Press blog might actually meet WP:USERG standards, which specifically indicates that "news outlets host interactive...

1 January 2022 (UTC) @Michri michri, Hello! In order, 2-7: WP:BLOGS WP:USERG Can't view for some reason Per [11] this seems to be an online bookshop...

"Please do not add unsourced track titles, or those sourced to Genius (WP:USERG)". Joey Camelaroche (talk) 02:18, 28 November 2020 (UTC) Semi-protected...

were unreliable, yes - there were a number of blatant blogs that failed WP:USERG outright. But you are cherry-picking the absolute worst sources that for...

reliability of using the Ben Smith blog article, see WP:NEWSBLOG and WP:USERG. It is far more encyclopedic to rely on secondary sources (objective, neutral...

(talk) 20:57, 27 April 2021 (UTC)2021 (UTC) See WP:DOB, WP:BURDEN, and WP:USERG. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC) Basically, birthdates...

forward in verifying the edits, and all those edits come from its users (WP:USERG). An essay (not policy) on citing IMDb can be found at Wikipedia:Citing...

February 2022 (UTC) It's not the best. "Moderator" could imply some WP:USERG. I'm leaning towards "not good enough for WP:GNG, anyway." Gråbergs Gråa...

his life sourced entirely from frat's own materials and disreputable WP:USERG derived findagrave.com source. Under the concept that notability is not...

the"adminstrator" and is basically used to administer the site as a whole." SPS and WP:USERG. Also, no named staff etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:56, 24 October 2025...

from. I believe that this is not a basis for removing the blpprod per WP:USERG, Nikki believes WP:SELFPUB applies, so since User talk:Nikkimaria#Marcel...

Dash, your sources comprise the following: My Little Wiki, which fails WP:USERG. A Google Trends chart which, for me at least, is blank. That may be a failure...

all of the references to the wikipedia signpost violate WP:PRIMARY and WP:USERG. Good Articles should not be breaking policy or official guidelines. JackFromWisconsin...

TVGuide as a source is that its a database maintained by TVGuide (so not a USERG problem) but if they don't have shows in their database, then it won't show...

Ubisoft employee while promoting their games. Similarly, the list is WP:USERG, not written by OpenCritic. You can find the archived version here. — ImaginesTigers...

sources is fine. The links you've added seem to be a couple of blogs(See WP:USERG). One of those blogs I can't identify any information about who authors...

user-generated content User-generated content is unacceptable as a source (WP:USERG). I've removed Discogs since it doesn't appear to have anything useful or...

social media like Facebook and fansites are not reliable sources (see WP:USERG) because anyone can write anything there; nor is Wikipedia, for the same...

discussion board. This source does not meet Wikipedia standards per WP:USERG which states "...For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters...

https://globalsportsarchive.com/en/soccer/athlete/agnes-quaye/7784498 WP:USERG? database profile ✘ No This table may not be a final or consensus view;...

December 2025 (UTC) Delete per nom. Even the book reviews are cited to the WP:USERG content on the Amazon page. ResonantDistortion 22:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)...

October 2024 (UTC) Comment - Can someone explain to me how it's not a WP:USERG issue? I feel like I must be misunderstanding the situation to have so many...

6 IMDb ❌ Self-published ❌🟥 Unreliable Not considered reliable per WP:USERG. 7 Hindustan Times – Celebrity quote ✅ Independent ✅🟩 Reliable Only includes...

RS/non-USERG sources. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 16:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC) Seconding Delete for the reasons mentioned above, particularly WP:USERG sources...

user-generated post. We don’t consider user-generated posts reliable. See WP:USERG. per same reasons above—143-words. ✘ No This table may not be a final or...

user-generated post. We don’t consider user-generated posts reliable. See WP:USERG. per same reasons above—143-words. ✘ No This table may not be a final or...

are. I don't imagine there's much of anything on that site which isn't USERG (I'm not familiar enough with their features section to say regarding that)...

reliable answers. Starship 24 (talk) 22:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC) Absolutely not. USERG even with the moderation aspects. Masem (t) 22:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC) Interesting...

Japanese-only title. There's not really anything to go off here: two WP:USERG databases that do not contribute to notability, and one brief run-through...

little substance. Doesn't talk about the questions received. Might be WP:USERG. 15 says nothing except about how he is introduced in the game. This is...

The article's reliance on the IFDB is not in my view significant as a WP:USERG source. Even putting that aside, the cited #1 listings are based on an all-time...

December 2012 (UTC) JoshuSasori minor notes: Some of the references are WP:USERG. Doesn't specifically mention anonymous usenet posting via funet, was all...

TWL) Does not pass WP:NGAME or WP:GNG. Two of the three sources are WP:USERG. There is one source from Dexerto [4], but I would argue on the basis of...

6 IMDb ❌ Self-published ❌🟥 Unreliable Not considered reliable per WP:USERG. 7 Hindustan Times – Celebrity quote ✅ Independent ✅🟩 Reliable Only includes...

Dunno whether Bracco herself contributed to the webpage. Per WP:IMDB and WP:USERG, though IMDB can be used as an external link. ~ This is Bracco's filmography...

social media, YouTube, Wikipedia itself, and other sorts of unreliable WP:USERG type sources. Sergecross73 msg me 23:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC) It it effectively...

that it still fails WP:USERG Sergecross73 msg me 00:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC) Nothing really to discuss here. It's a WP:USERG site, with all the content...

Steam storefront pages, etc, that are considered unreliable WP:VG/S, WP:USERG, and ineligible for proving notability. I'd like for this article to exist...

(UTC) The general argument against using WP:IMDB is WP:USERG. I have no idea if Cinefox is WP:USERG, an imdb-mirror or something else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång...

Jamie Marchi, 2 is primary, 3-23 are WP:USERG, and 24-29 are just describing merchandise, and most of them are USERG. 30 is the only reference that may be...

https://globalsportsarchive.com/en/soccer/athlete/agnes-quaye/7784498 WP:USERG? database profile ✘ No This table may not be a final or consensus view;...

April 2024 (UTC) They don't. Many of these are unreliable, some even WP:USERG. Almost all are just plot summaries. You need indepth significant coverage...

FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Non-notable game. The article is constructed from WP:USERG sources like MobyGames and GameFAQs. The Metacritic page is empty. There's...

done a few reviews, starting with Cliffhanger (novel) which barring one WP:USERG source that was easily removed after I passed it, I was told was a good...

WP:SIGCOV. KatoKungLee (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Please read WP:USERG and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE as this is demonstrating a basic lack of knowledge about...

WP:GNG. No secondary reliable sources, secondary sources seem to be YT WP:USERG. A quick WP:BEFORE on Google doesn't show any media articles of note. Some...

website and does not meet Wikipedia’s reliable source criteria (WP:RS, WP:USERG). The content contains unverifiable genealogical claims and lacks independent...

WP:NBOOK. All references in the article are either primary or unreliable (WP:USERG), and I can't find any reviews in reliable sources. Additionally, the article...

see if anything happens. Yes, they obviously link geni.com (which is WP:USERG etc), WP, wikidata etc, but it's not obvious to me that they choose these...

and comments from fan accounts on social media aren't trustworthy per WP:USERG. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:12, 10 May 2026 (UTC) Note: this discussion...

here" also further reinforces my issue. With only one source that is a WP:USERG forum thread, that should've been denied pretty quickly. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:41...

fails WP:NSONG. Supplied sources include rateyourmusic which fails WP:USERG and is not allowed per WP:ALBUMAVOID. Another source is genius.com which...

airplay, sales, or streaming statistics. Fixed Discogs is unreliable per WP:USERG when filled with user-generated content This has been pointed in my previous...

(UTC) No, but I think the community has been generally opposed to using WP:USERG pics of living people, AI or not. I know I've seen long discussions on it...

lot of unreliable/unusable sources. For example, any wikis would fail WP:USERG. That all needs to go. Every entry needs to be reliably sourced. See WP:VG/S...

conveying quotes from Steam user reactions which is just a secondary form of WP:USERG. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC) Found a mention in a PwC report...

though assembled by a writer, is based on user votes and may skirt the USERG line (I'm not actually sure if that applies here but it's still questionable...

support WP:GNG? Most of this is unreliable per WP:VG/S, and WP:TVTROPES is WP:USERG and really shouldn't be used at all. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 12:13, 4 April 2026 (UTC)...

November 2024 (UTC) Giant Bomb is a user-generated fan wiki, and fails WP:USERG. The "Bad Game Hall of Fame" is a one-man Wordpress WP:BLOG and the other...

not mentioned here, the proliferation of unreliable sources. Many are WP:USERG, like MobyGames or PCGamingWiki, or unsuitable for use as a source. This...

Wombat140 (talk) 13:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Seems very much like a WP:SPS/WP:USERG source, and possibly abandoned. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 16 May...

qualify for the frequency we're looking for. Its right that DA falls under USERG for all purposes, but its rarely come up as a question so doesn't make sense...

This website has some WP-presence [33], but per [34] it appears to be WP:USERG, is that a reasonable reading? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 2 April...

can per linked discussions and WP:RSPCRITERIA. Being such an obvious WP:USERG fail, I'm not sure we should bother, but there is little harm in it. Gråbergs...

reliable source (see WP:RSPYT), and the Lost Media Wiki appears to be a WP:USERG source and does not contribute to notability. A WP:BEFORE search found nothing...

artificial intelligence. The use of AI as seen in CNET articles borders on WP:USERG as well. DecafPotato (talk) 00:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC) forgot to mention...

general web search) and came up empty. none of it independent per WP:RS / WP:USERG. So I'm not going to argue this passes GNG as written, because I don't think...

lot. And that's unfortunately it: the other sources are WP:PRIMARY or WP:USERG. No hits on Metacritic or Mobygames; no coverage on items in the Internet...

Semiprotected one month. Wikis are not considered to be reliable sources. See WP:USERG. EdJohnston (talk) 15:25, 21 January 2026 (UTC) I feel inclined to point...