Wikipedia that contains only the article space. The template {{printworthy selfref}} can be used to mark such passages as intentional self-references that...

{{selfref}} then {{Hatnote}} is not used and the selfref is not excluded in print. Spelling is an example of that (I had to examine around 50 selfrefs to...

particularly encyclopaedic, and I feel that it violates WP:NOTDIR and WP:SELFREF W. D. Graham 14:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC) Comment - We probably need to have...

FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Non-notable software extension, possibly fails WP:SELFREF MBisanz talk 08:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included...

dab page? If not, we could put a WP:SELFREF on a dab page, or redirect WikiMaps to another page and put a selfref on that? John Vandenberg (chat) 04:51...

and keep a separation between the encyclopedia and the rest, as per WP:SELFREF. Cenarium (talk) 01:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC) Notices posted at Wikipedia...

list represents only a small fraction of her recorded performances. - WP:SELFREF violation. Also no criteria for what's included in the discography, making...

TWL) This isn't really an encyclopedia article, but an excuse for the {{selfref}} and external link about the extension. If flagged revisions ever get...

template subjects readers to Wikipedia process in a very confusing way. WP:SELFREF includes self-references within Wikipedia articles to the Wikipedia project...

articles published as a book, definetly not enough for notability per WP:SELFREF, I was able to find this only via Google web search and not Books search...

that it only links articles which have articles. This falls foul of WP:SELFREF, and misses the point of WP:REDYES. Rob Sinden (talk) 11:32, 7 June 2016...

Macy's123 (review me) 23:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC) Delete - OR, WP:SOURCE, and SELFREF pretty much sums it up. Soxred93 | talk count bot 23:17, 8 February 2008...

French Wikipedia." to articles on French communes. This runs afoul of WP:SELFREF & WP:RS (and wasn't even always an accurate statement) and consensus developed...

being a list is a sufficient condition for WP:DIRECTORY or WP:SELFREF to not apply. WP:SELFREF is about articles (e.g. "Typically, self-references within...

like {{Selfref|The GNU GPL is not licensed under cc-by-sa 4.0; disregard the footer statement at the end of this webpage.}} ? Using Template:Selfref would...

WP:SELFREF page has some insight on this as well. — Ched :  ?  05:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC) i believe you mean WP:Self-published sources. that "selfref" page...

exist if there's no usage outside Wikipedia for the term. (Use of the {{Selfref}} template may also be appropriate.) Yes. Kept: VfD → Wikipedia:Votes for...

harv anchors. Also, brackets are not consistently applied. Unacceptable SELFREF: To this end, Welensky organised a conference in February 1949 to investigate...

to give to this event, the size of the article is a gigantic case of WP:SELFREF and WP:RECENT, the article is longer than the notional parent and higher-level...

discussion was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC) Selfref → Template:Selfref (links to redirect) (stats)  Cross-namespace redirect; essentially...

and it was only transcluded into 2 pages (Media and Press). I added a {{selfref}} tag with pretty much the same information at the top of these two pages...

involved. I don't see how it violates wp:selfref, we have many notices of this kind. It can always be put in {{Selfref}}. --dab (𒁳) 08:09, 10 October 2008...

it to a mainspace page with a hatnote would mean replacing an invisible selfref by a visible one. In some cases we should keep cross-namespace redirects...

Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Delete a {{selfref}} at reference desk would be all that's needed, and it already exists (at...

links Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC) Fixed the dab n selfrefs. i'll do what i can on the bare urls. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:45...

for lists. At best that term should be removed from the header as a WP:SELFREF, but it's not inappropriate or OR to use for inclusion guidance. postdlf...

(UTC) It's interesting to note the contradiction between WP:LISTS and WP:SELFREF then. I'd avoid self-referencing at all costs. It doesn't really matter...

(and the Signpost is essentially a blog written by Wikipedians), and WP:SELFREF also discourages such links. Moreover, the prominent formatting of this...

" which is only referenced by a blog, the college newspaper, and by WP:SELFREF. --GrapedApe (talk) 05:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC) Keep: I think we should...

pages like this are not really articles (e.g. they don't follow the WP:SELFREF rules). If indexes are for editors (rather than for readers) then we should...

templates contain information intended for editors, not readers." and WP:SELFREF. The redirect pages should probably just be tagged with {{R with possibilities}}...

23 June 2019 (UTC) I added some explanations, while trying to avoid WP:SELFREF. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC) In some cases where multiple...

topic. SSTflyer 05:49, 25 August 2016 (UTC) Delete. Not a worthwhile WP:SELFREF.  — Scott • talk 14:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC) Delete per nom. AngusWOOF...

various national newspaper. Article needs a lot of tidy-up - removal of the selfref, removal of unreferenced facts - but, seems more thatn a single event,...

somewhere in article space, the target should have a {{selfref}} hatnote along the lines of {{selfref|"Talk page" redirects here, for talk pages on Wikipedia...

coverage related to {{{2|this topic}}}, see {{format link|{{{1|}}}}}|selfref={{{selfref|}}}}}) {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:05, 19 May 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate...

scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails WP:N and WP:SELFREF. If people want to move through the category structure, they can use categories...

real and complex matrices,... seems to be an unhelpful and inaccurate selfref: most of the matrices in the article have integer entries. There are WP:ACCESS...

substituting breaks usage {{See also}}, standard formatting for see also list {{selfref}}, does not work when substituted, as it is meant to contain different...

apart piece by piece. I'm less concerned about the specific wording of SELFREF and more concerned with the fact that these templates should provide readers'...

Keep, but should go to the "Media" section of the article. I've added a {{Selfref}} link (at the top of the article, for now). Peter James (talk) 20:40,...

there's only 2 distinct references. Both pointing at what appear to be WP:SELFREF class references. Looking back in the history, we see a article spring...

in future be a project page that would logically fit at this title a {{selfref}} hatnote at the target is the way to go as encyclopaedia content trumps...

nominator's part. -Splashtalk 01:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC) apparent nn selfref neologism Savidan 15:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC) Delete neologism.--み使い...

Self-congratulation is fine, but should never take place in mainspace. See WP:SELFREF, WP:NPOV, etc. We discredit ourselves as an institution by having content...

would link to Wiki, as a project using a wiki is a "wiki project". A {{selfref}} hatnote can indicate the project page that describes what a Wikipedia...

military and civil aviation as Zulu time (Z).< > zulu zulu_(disambiguation) {{selfref|1=<table class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0.5em...

¤ [Talk] 09:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC) Comment There are also the WP:SELFREF concerns, The false information in Wikipedia included such information...

July 2020 (UTC) As a link to Wikipedia space, the hatnote should use {{selfref}} rather than {{redirect}} but other than that I agree with adding it....

devices or wikis. --Snigbrook (talk) 02:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC) We have the selfref template for such cases. See Self-reference. Colonel Warden (talk) 02:21...

the terms "Colombian Navy" and "ARC" interchangeably.": Delete; see WP:SELFREF. - Dank (push to talk) 03:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks! Done!. did leave...

and I think it's an idea worth exploring, then much better would be a {{selfref}} hatnote to a Wikipedia space page that gives an introduction to what...

don't know what's the best way to say this while complying with WP:FL?, WP:SELFREF and WP:V. I'm assuming you don't have reliable sources to back up the statement...

subpages) Nominating all these templates as they seem to run afoul of WP:SELFREF and WP:RS. If an article has been translated from another language Wikipedia...

thereof. Perhaps they should be reworded as that does seem to violate WP:SELFREF. Also, I estimate about 3/4ths of all the featured discographies disregard...

153.2 (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC) Redundant to the less intrusive {{selfref}}. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)...

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should...

of eg. cartoons.wikimedia.org). Maybe wrapping the template in Template:Selfref would defuse the problem for the moment? --Latebird 12:14, 28 June 2007...

future discussion. JPG-GR (talk) 01:43, 14 August 2011 (UTC) Template:Selfref (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) I see this being used...

June 2012 (UTC) "(see Hesychast controversy)": This recent edit is a WP:SELFREF problem; the reader may be reading this on a mirror site or elsewhere,...

shown below" ... opinions vary on this; some discussion can be found in WP:SELFREF and its talk page. Some people feel strongly that you never know where...

Gary King (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC) The box at the top fails WP:Selfref and it's worth keeping an eye on the fact that it is also currently a TfD...

summary). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC) Delete. Violates WP:SELFREF, and important topics can be covered in the main topic article much better...

Wickethewok 18:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC) Delete per all. I prefer. Adding a selfref tag to an article that does not exist or redirecting an article to another...

links Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC) Fixed the dab n selfrefs. i'll do what i can on the bare urls. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:45...

Fine by me. Rollback already includes a hatnote, properly wrapped in {{selfref}}, which directs people towards WP:Rollback feature. Amalthea 14:42, 30...

still refused to use a method to make the selfref less damaging (such as using {{selfref}} or adding the selfref parameter to a template invocation where...

high citation count and h-index." within the text of an article; see WP:SELFREF. There is a paragraph discussing her research accomplishments; you are...

then I strongly recommend a self-referential hanote along the lines of {{selfref|!vote redirects here. For explanation of its use on Wikipedia see...

beat, melody, rhythm, tone, variation and direct them using Template:Selfref if necessary likewise to article Pronoun. Note: Template:Infobox Music...

press - anybody can have it "published." It's not a valid reference (WP:Selfref) "Citations 2-5" is a YMCA page and a 404 error - the PDF file is no longer...

— LinguistAtLarge • Talk  20:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Comment Soctt really does have the SELFREF point correct, and actually I wondered why this did not have an {{essay}}...

by template. Second, even if we needed such a hatnote, it should be {{selfref}}. Unused. This one was used only at Category:Suburbs of Melbourne, while...

self-referential hatnotes are fine as long as they're placed inbetween {{selfref}} tags. And this nomination is about the mainspace redirect "no original...

redirects created and targeted to an unrelated article (on which they put a {{selfref}}-tag to direct people to the policy) after they were initially deleted...

exists. Dataforce (talk) 15:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC) Comment: Those are all selfrefs and therefore not reliable sources per WP:RS. Comment: Actually, the official...

 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC) Retarget per nom and add a {{selfref}} hatnote to the present target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2021...

dicdef and the other is POV. This should be replaced with soft redirect ({{selfref|In Wikipedia...}}) and protected. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 16:35, 19 August...

in this article" is completely different from what is described at MOS:SELFREF -- all it needs is an appropriate section link (as in Template:Section...

Rossami (talk) 02:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC) Revert per Rossami and add a {{selfref}} hatnote at Future Film that points to the Wikipedia page. Thryduulf (talk)...

avoided. For instance this {{selfref|The Wikipedia Help Desk [[Wikipedia:Help desk]]}} includes this page's link, but the selfref template keeps it from being...

section or something similar.BoldLuis (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC) A {{selfref}} hatnote linking to the help page can be added to whatever target is chosen...

{{Sect}} → {{Section link}} {{Lst}} → {{Section transclude}} {{Selfref-inline}}, {{Selfref inline}} → {{Self-reference inline}} {{Self link}}, {{Srlink}}...

with the abbreviation DYK and has no actual entries (not counting the {{selfref}} hatnote and the See also section) that have a title anything like Did...

synthesis anyways. --Explodicle (T/C) 17:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC) Note Neither SELFREF nor DENY are terribly good reasons to delete an article (the first a style...

contribs) 15:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC) There is an obvious violation of WP:SELFREF and WP:OR going on, but there is a coordinated group of editors who are...

23 June 2019 (UTC) I added some explanations, while trying to avoid WP:SELFREF. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC) In some cases where multiple...

article on different number that recently had a section deleted (per WP:SELFREF) that had mentions of other numbers that did not have Wikipedia articles...

WP-internal shortcut, per WP:SELFREF.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:29, 4 June 2018 (UTC) @SMcCandlish: We have the {{selfref}} template whose entire purpose...

Category:Years in Lithuania." (where the timeline is a redlink) which fails SELFREF in several ways. DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Delete, trivial...

convey a neutral point of view. In particular at the Wikia article, where {{selfref}} is being used to restore a disclaimer notice that was roundly rejected...

self-references. The remaining self-references have been marked as such with the {{selfref}} template. The Inclusion or removal section is not a self-reference; it...

people. Establishing a list based on "Wikipedia articles only" violates WP:SELFREF, WP:CIRCULAR, MOS:OVERLINK, or more like MOS:SEAOFBLUE and WP:Blue Sea...

which is far from trivial) but it is crossnamespace (and arguably a WP:SELFREF violation too). I'm not immediately sure which I prefer. Thryduulf (talk)...

inter alia. Si Trew (talk) 13:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC) Keep and add a {{selfref}}erential hatnote at the target. This will make it very useful for people...

are multiple interpretations of what is and is not acceptable under WP:SELFREF (which, by the way, is a guideline, not a policy), and your complaint appears...

Wikipedia article. Exclude the self-reference, which is problematic (see MOS:SELFREF) and retains the purely subjective inclusion/exclusion criteria of the...

project directly or implicitly. Self-ref can also refer to the template {{selfref}}. Self-redirect See § Circular redirect. Self-revert An editor self-reverts...

WP:ASR allegation by including the "offending" text and links under {{selfref}} as WP:ASR. I find it ironic that the anonymous editor so keen on defending...

WP:SELFREF was a typo, I'd like to believe you. Ottens (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC) Thank you. Yes, it was an accidental error typing SELFREF instead...

history · transclusions · logs · subpages) violates WP:DISCLAIM, WP:SELFREF, to a lesser extent: WP:RS; translating one article from one wikipedia...

6 September 2014 (UTC) comment. If this is redirected somewhere, a {{selfref}} hatnote to the current target should be provided. Thryduulf (talk) 09:44...

with {{selfref}} that you are trying to address? --Quiddity 18:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC) I agree what real problem is there with Template:Selfref? --Tλε...

do not have their own articles)": not specifically disallowed by our WP:SELFREF guideline, but I've seen people mention that guideline when objecting to...

deletion/User:Milletics Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ral315/Selfref straw poll Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adventure Racing Wikipedia:Miscellany...

write or redirect to an encyclopaedia article, and then tag the article {{selfref}} and soft-redirect to the target; this way, we get both people searching...

it? 2.) Isn't this bumping right up against the WP:SELFREF stuff? Yes, I'm aware that the "selfref" is a tool to explain why we can't reference our own...

would remove this - the first sentence of the lead covers it IMO Per MOS:SELFREF, they're not prohibited. In fact, it specifically says "Similarly, many...

worst possible solution to this, replacing a useful selfref with an arcane and confusing selfref. Delete, fine, if that was the consensus, but leave as...

instance: Nils Dalberg [Wikidata]. [Wikidata] seems to me to be an obvious WP:SELFREF violation; we're not supposed to be mentioning Wikipedia or any other WMF...

complicated. At Template talk:Birth date and age#selfref there is a request to remove an unnecessary {{selfref}} from a template. - Jmabel | Talk 04:49, 27...

an actual article, as at Citation needed. Redirects like this are a WP:SELFREF problem and confuse readers about the distinction between the encyclopedia's...

have more experience with this than I do. The specific violation is MOS:SELFREF, which advises not to self refer to Wikipedia in article namespace. Having...

Rosguill talk 00:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC) Dissambiguate To Wiki, the selfref, protection dab; and protected memory (protected memory pages), and legally...

also", "this", "two other uses", "three other uses", "disambig-acronym", "selfref" }, false); -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC) How will...

enwiki internal, we prefer to keep mainspace clean of technical issues (WP:SELFREF). Third, google NOTOC and find it has a real life meaning: "Notice to Captain"...

Wikipedia policies, so avoiding the cross-namespace reidrect is best. A {{selfref}} hatnote to Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines should be added at the top...

Template:POV-tag) RN 19:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC) Yeah, those are marked in selfref categories so they can be excised before going up on mirrors. --Cyde↔Weys...

2014 (UTC) Redirect to Wikipedia, which is a great introduction and has a selfref at the top to Wikipedia:About which is a good entry point for new readers...

minimum! What are the chances of that? (And, although this is a silly selfref, please make the probability theoretical, not empirical. :P) Kayau Voting...

Comment I notice Npov goes to the mainspace Neutral dab page, which has a selfref template linking to the policy at the top. Maybe this is a solution? --Pontificalibus...

--Drmargi (talk) 17:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC) He repeatedly misunderstands WP:SELFREF, which does not prohibit articles from referring to part of one another...

than enough to do. --Conti|✉ 12:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC) I just added a {{selfref}} to the top of the WP:LOCE page to redirect those that stumble there to...

make no sense anywhere other than on Wikipedia itself. (See also Template:Selfref.) But links between the project namespace and user namespace are not prohibited...

purpose is twofold: statistics and standardization. linked pages {{User:UBX/selfref-2}} UBX This user is ambivalent about self-referential userboxes. linked...

(UTC) It's interesting to note the contradiction between WP:LISTS and WP:SELFREF then. I'd avoid self-referencing at all costs. It doesn't really matter...

understand how I should write this without self-referencing? I have read MOS:SELFREF which says what not to do, but doesn’t say how to explain the scope of...

misleading to readers because of existing article on SET Index (which has a selfref hatnote leading to the WP:Disambiguation anyways). Ϫ 01:42, 18 June 2009...

about WP:SUBJECT countless times, and your fingers are in your ears. WP:SELFREF is a guideline, a suggest, not a rule, and CLEAR CUT another case of WP:IAR...

10:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Please pay closer attention to the use of the {{selfref}} template in the headnote. Uncle G 16:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Huh? So what...

21:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC) A self-reference hatnote should be OK - {{selfref|{{otheruses4|laxatives|instructions on requesting an unblock from...

1 May 2005 (UTC) Sr can be changed into selfref, though that is not needed, because if a mirror blanks selfref, sr is also blanked. Perhaps other templates...

2600:4040:5006:F700:F976:5C5A:35F5:4013 (talk) 20:36, 16 June 2020 (UTC) Delete per MOS:SELFREF and WP:NODISCLAIMERS/WP:NEUTRAL. I just visited WikiLeaks specifically...

Arbitration clerk trainees User:Mailer diablo, User:MBisanz, and User:Tiptoety have been granted full clerkships by the arbiration committee. — Rlevse...

Davidwr and Pedro :) Pedro :  Chat  22:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC) See WP:SELFREF. :P GlassCobra 11:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC) Support, Pedro basically got...

2010 (UTC) [26], JB50000, that is a violation of WP:NOR, WP:BLP, and WP:SELFREF, please do not insert material such as that in the future. MBisanz talk...

Wikipedia: they're diverse enough to avoid WP:BIO1E and there's nothing in WP:SELFREF or other policy that says we can't write about Wikipedians who achieve...

September 2022 (UTC) This seems like a rather flagrant violation of MOS:SELFREF and WP:TONE, but those aren't conduct issues, and I'm not sure I buy this...

do not have their own articles)": not specifically disallowed by our WP:SELFREF guideline, but I've seen people mention that guideline when objecting to...

redirect should they be a link on the page using the {tl|selfref}} template, e.g.: {{selfref|In Wikipedia, AfD may refer to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]}}...

to Present as {{R from other capitalisation}}. The target can have a {{selfref}} hatnote to the current target and other shortcuts can be created as desired...

[2] Adding them to article-namespace pages. This is a violation of WP:SELFREF, and Wavelength should volunteer to go back and remove those inappropriate...

from me to get the reported user to make progress in understanding imdb/selfrefs are unsuitable so instead use RSs e.g. press. On none of the user/article...

instance: Nils Dalberg [Wikidata]. [Wikidata] seems to me to be an obvious WP:SELFREF violation; we're not supposed to be mentioning Wikipedia or any other WMF...

(really, the use of wikipedia for general browser screenshots borders on WP:SELFREF anyway). The foundation has had YEARS to settle on a free license for these...

inline markup, and consequently make it easier to manage inter-article selfrefs.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC) Weak oppose: purely in...

do wikilink, well, maybe, but don't shout about it. There's also a WP:SELFREF concern. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC) Delete. I can't see...

Category:Wikipedia IPA, and replaced cross-namspace cats violating WP:PROJCATS with {{selfref}} links using a new template, {{WikiIPA}}. Pcap ping 12:46, 23 February...

they are distinct concepts. If this is not deleted, the target needs a {{selfref}} hatnote to Wikipedia:Bots (already present at Bot). Thryduulf (talk)...

internal Wikipedia page. That's not at all clear here. Block already has a selfref hatnote to WP:BLOCK and two other internal pages, which should be sufficient...

print preview on it. So we've {{noprint}}, no {{selfreference}} for {{selfref}} and no {{noprint-selfreference}} for {{Unprintworthy inline}}. That last...

Gary King (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC) The box at the top fails WP:Selfref and it's worth keeping an eye on the fact that it is also currently a TfD...

logs · subpages) Unused template that seems to suffer excessively from WP:SELFREF The Evil Spartan (talk) 04:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Delete making judgements...

being a list is a sufficient condition for WP:DIRECTORY or WP:SELFREF to not apply. WP:SELFREF is about articles (e.g. "Typically, self-references within...

2017 (UTC) Delete per nom. If this is kept though, maybe think about a {{selfref}} hatnote to WP:MADEUP, but it's nowhere near likely enough (or the target...

thereof. Perhaps they should be reworded as that does seem to violate WP:SELFREF. Also, I estimate about 3/4ths of all the featured discographies disregard...

presented as an external link and mentioned in the third person (per WP:SELFREF). Thryduulf (talk) 16:02, 1 April 2019 (UTC) Even for a "see also", however...

be the primary use of as seen through a Google search. Could then add a selfref hatnote to the current target. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:05...

Gary King (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC) The box at the top fails WP:Selfref and it's worth keeping an eye on the fact that it is also currently a TfD...

be WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. To fundamentally go against guidelines such as WP:SELFREF and WP:SURPRISE is not appropriate. As WP:NAVBOXes are for navigating between...

meaningful fashion. --Izno (talk) 14:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC) @Izno: WP:SELFREF is a guideline, not a policy -- which means it can and should be ignored...

the talk or project namespace, not the article namespace. It violates WP:SELFREF by reducing the reusability of our content. Even if the words "click here"...

to allow wikijargon in article-space, we'll have to rewrite much of WP:SELFREF and WP:JARGON. Although WP:Naming conventions concerns only page titles...

there is concern about it, you could enclose the edit link in Template:Selfref. Thinking about it, such edit links are probably most appropriate for navboxes...

"In this discography, music videos are included as well." – avoid WP:SELFREF. Combine this into the first sentence. Removed sentence, as the music videos...

to use the WP: prefix. Note that such hatnotes should be made using {{Selfref}} so they are clearly marked as such and can be easily removed by mirror...

whatever bots perform the replication don't pick it up? We already have {selfref}. There is enough value in such metadata that defining a simple standard...

should be presented as meta-content (it currently doesn't even use the selfref class or similar), it should be presented in the right place as meta-content...

November 2016 (UTC) MOS:SELFREF and MOS:CURRENT. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC) (edit conflict) MOS:SELFREF, MOS:CURRENT, and probably...

GreenC 18:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC) I believe that you are looking for WP:SELFREF. You may also be interested in WP:SALLEAD. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:16, 24...

Portal:Physics "Things you can do" "Fix a stub" etc. That makes the portal a selfref. Rich Farmbrough, 14:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC). I feel that this criterion for...

self-references and a general sense of aesthetics; in the former I feel that the selfref is useful if it helps improve a bad article, and I believe that our current...

mainspace. So, that page should be cleaned up (e.g. to remove inappropriate WP:SELFREFs) and moved to something like Glossary of Brazil.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 ...

Drover's Wife (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Delete as inappropriate WP:SELFREF. postdlf (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Delete – the nom covers the difficulties...

Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC) Delete per WP:SELFREF. shoy (reactions) 14:10, 3 June 2016 (UTC) Delete circular? AngusWOOF (bark...

discussions Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Editor adding many WP:SELFREF-violating entries to reference sections Wikipedia talk:WikiProject French...

to connect conduit. I suggest a 2DAB at pipe link with an additional {{selfref}} for Wikipedia -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 21:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC) Relisted...

provide links to other articles that we could include. I'd be fine with a {{selfref}} hatnote if someone has a suggestion for a WP space page that describes...

— LinguistAtLarge • Talk  20:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Comment Soctt really does have the SELFREF point correct, and actually I wondered why this did not have an {{essay}}...

you're looking for Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Self-references to avoid and {{selfref}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC) yes...

argument Qwv (talk) 13:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Retarget to Wiki and add a {{selfref}} hatnote to handle it for the HELP page -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 14:17,...

TWL) This isn't really an encyclopedia article, but an excuse for the {{selfref}} and external link about the extension. If flagged revisions ever get...

dab page? If not, we could put a WP:SELFREF on a dab page, or redirect WikiMaps to another page and put a selfref on that? John Vandenberg (chat) 04:51...

to defer discussion to a different section of the article? I found MOS:SELFREF but it is about something else. 73.89.25.252 (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2020...

self-references. The remaining self-references have been marked as such with the {{selfref}} template. The Inclusion or removal section is not a self-reference; it...

:of)?)|redirect(?:-acronym)?|see\s?(?:also|wiktionary)|selfref|the)\d*\s*(\|(?:\{\{[^{}]*\}\}|[^{}])*)?\}\})+(?:\s*\n)?)\s*)?/i, "$1"...

list, not indiscriminate) nor WP:SELFREF (article lists and indexes for Wikipedia are common, not included in WP:SELFREF). Northamerica1000(talk) 01:44...

Wikipedia: they're diverse enough to avoid WP:BIO1E and there's nothing in WP:SELFREF or other policy that says we can't write about Wikipedians who achieve...

2014 (UTC) A minor point, but hatnotes to project pages should use the {{selfref}} template, not {{hat note}} (or similar), so they can be easily stripped...

WP:ASR allegation by including the etxt and links in question under {{selfref}}. If you have content issues, feel free to raise them, but policy-wise...

understand how I should write this without self-referencing? I have read MOS:SELFREF which says what not to do, but doesn’t say how to explain the scope of...

for lists. At best that term should be removed from the header as a WP:SELFREF, but it's not inappropriate or OR to use for inclusion guidance. postdlf...

so they don't appear in print versions. Can the image be wrapped in a selfref or other noprint CSS wherever it is used? Kusma (talk) 06:17, 29 April...

Wikipedia. Further, though we are to avoid self-references, according to WP:SELFREF#Examples_of_self-references, self-references should "not necessarily be...

1 non-selfref link: "No-fly list, sometimes called a watchlist". --Zoz (t) 12:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC) Change target to No-fly list, with a selfref hatnote...

Translates the 'in other languages' box on the sidebar to English Selfrefs as a tab Changes selfref disambiguation headers to a tab marked 'wp' Autolink* Makes...

beat, melody, rhythm, tone, variation and direct them using Template:Selfref if necessary likewise to article Pronoun. Note: Template:Infobox Music...

actually runs a mirror how we can best help them. For example, we do have {{selfref}}, we could also make sure all metadata is wrapped in a standard form that...

(talk) 17:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC) Would it violate WP:SELFREF to add a link (with the {{selfref}} template) to Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Clarkson...

that it only links articles which have articles. This falls foul of WP:SELFREF, and misses the point of WP:REDYES. Rob Sinden (talk) 11:32, 7 June 2016...

devices or wikis. --Snigbrook (talk) 02:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC) We have the selfref template for such cases. See Self-reference. Colonel Warden (talk) 02:21...

Macy's123 (review me) 23:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC) Delete - OR, WP:SOURCE, and SELFREF pretty much sums it up. Soxred93 | talk count bot 23:17, 8 February 2008...

November 2018 (UTC) Ok, can you edit the template? It also means that {{selfref}} should only be used in the article mainspace because it would be inconvenient...

to give to this event, the size of the article is a gigantic case of WP:SELFREF and WP:RECENT, the article is longer than the notional parent and higher-level...

harv anchors. Also, brackets are not consistently applied. Unacceptable SELFREF: To this end, Welensky organised a conference in February 1949 to investigate...

exists. Dataforce (talk) 15:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC) Comment: Those are all selfrefs and therefore not reliable sources per WP:RS. Comment: Actually, the official...

FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Non-notable software extension, possibly fails WP:SELFREF MBisanz talk 08:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included...

here @ 19:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Then you'd create the article and add a {{selfref}} dablink there. Like in sandbox. But really, no one looking up "speedy...

article that discussed the nowiki function. However, we could use a {{selfref}}, similar to that at AGF, if the redirect is kept: "Nowiki" redirects...

high citation count and h-index." within the text of an article; see WP:SELFREF. There is a paragraph discussing her research accomplishments; you are...

Category:Years in Lithuania." (where the timeline is a redlink) which fails SELFREF in several ways. DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Delete, trivial...

point in time for this particular article. (per: WP:NAVEL aka SELF or SELFREF). I'm not sure whether there is even enough here for a viable WP:BLP as...

¤ [Talk] 09:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC) Comment There are also the WP:SELFREF concerns, The false information in Wikipedia included such information...

WP:SYNTH in quite a few places (e.g., "almost certainly in England"), and MOS:SELFREF (e.g., "as will become evident"), but I think this is definitely on track...

page between encyclopaedic content and project meta content, we'd use a {{selfref}} hatnote. However, I don't think that waiting until there is a conflict...

showcased articles, a showcased image, DYKs and news, and perhaps a few WP:SELFREF links. An Obama portal would be a great idea in my opinion, but it is of...

press - anybody can have it "published." It's not a valid reference (WP:Selfref) "Citations 2-5" is a YMCA page and a 404 error - the PDF file is no longer...

articles published as a book, definetly not enough for notability per WP:SELFREF, I was able to find this only via Google web search and not Books search...

" which is only referenced by a blog, the college newspaper, and by WP:SELFREF. --GrapedApe (talk) 05:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC) Keep: I think we should...

material must be treated just as other material (some people think WP:SELFREF says otherwise. They should read what it actually says) and b) the surrounding...

exist if there's no usage outside Wikipedia for the term. (Use of the {{Selfref}} template may also be appropriate.)" I agree that there would be no conflicting...

it's been widely covered in liberal blogs. I see that you also argued SELFREF but I don't see how that applies. Personally, I'd not put this in Wikipedia...

history | links | watch | logs) Function has been migrated to template:selfref per netoholic on talk page. Delete as redundant. I'm checking/depopulating...

scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails WP:N and WP:SELFREF. If people want to move through the category structure, they can use categories...

uses Canadian Inuktitut terminology, unless otherwise noted. is a MOS:SELFREF. I've only recently come across this area, which appears pretty complex...

pages like this are not really articles (e.g. they don't follow the WP:SELFREF rules). If indexes are for editors (rather than for readers) then we should...

only to editors. Kappa 09:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC) Support per nom and WP:SELFREF. Melsaran 13:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC) Support as per above. Hiberniantears...

June 2010 (UTC) Retarget to DAB per Bridgeplayer. New target has a handy selfref hatnote link to Wikipedia:Disambiguation anyway so readers will still be...

there's only 2 distinct references. Both pointing at what appear to be WP:SELFREF class references. Looking back in the history, we see a article spring...

Soccernotes (talk • contribs) You don't, or at least you shouldn't, see WP:SELFREF. Instead you just include a link to an article about the person. If the...

less. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:09, 21 July 2014 (UTC) You can use {{selfref}} to mark the offending section of text in this particular case. SpinningSpark...

point in time for this particular article. (per: WP:NAVEL aka SELF or SELFREF). I'm not sure whether there is even enough here for a viable WP:BLP as...

functional (without also appearing on the rendered page, in violation of WP:SELFREF). Of course, even a link that requires copying and pasting into the Search...

cannot navigate readers in the main page as it won't look nice, you can {{selfref}} to the Main Page. Huang (talk in public in private | contribs) 15:31...

category:User manga-N to category:Wikipedians who like manga category:User selfref-3 to category:Wikipedians who like Rene Magritte category:Wikipedians who...

December 2006 (UTC) Keep, but I'd prefer it if all entries were in a {{selfref}} to prevent this showing up out-of-date information in mirrors. --ais523...

of a too literalistic reading of the guideline. The page also lists {{selfref}} and {{Otheruses-section}} and {{See also}}-- all of which can be used...

synthesis anyways. --Explodicle (T/C) 17:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC) Note Neither SELFREF nor DENY are terribly good reasons to delete an article (the first a style...

the inclusion criteria, I believe that this is one situation where MOS:SELFREF can be ignored. —Farix (t | c) 01:37, 10 May 2018 (UTC) We tried to address...

showcased articles, a showcased image, DYKs and news, and perhaps a few WP:SELFREF links. An Obama portal would be a great idea in my opinion, but it is of...

than deleting all cross-namespace redirects? (We could tag them with {{selfref}}, for example). Until now, the "mirror problem" seems to me to be an unproven...

Responding to some of your bullet points: The template does not violate WP:SELFREF because it is not intended to be part of the article content. It is more...

the article talk page, because of both notability/newsworthiness and WP:SELFREF issues. And please, copying a single sentence is NOT a "blatant copyright...

review of a book about Wikipedia on Wikipedia. That seems to me like WP:SELFREF. But this is not a hill on which I intend to die. Guy (help!) 14:11, 21...

{"Albanian"} – redirect to {{Lang-sq}} {{sr}} = {"Serbian"} – redirect to {{Selfref}} {{ss}} = {"Swati"} – redirect to {{SS}} ship prefix {{st}} = {"Southern...

necessary" guidelines; secondly, my reading of the situation is that WP:SELFREF establishes the consensus position perfectly well. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 16:34...

(Singapore) by ZKang123 was not moved; discussion 28 Oct 2020 – Template:Selfref move request to Template:Self reference by Soumya-8974 was moved to Template:Self...

Responding to some of your bullet points: The template does not violate WP:SELFREF because it is not intended to be part of the article content. It is more...

Template:Seesubarticle Template:SelectedAnniversary Template:Self Template:Self2 Template:Selfref Template:Semiprotected Template:Sensitive IP addresses Template:ServiceAwardsNotice...

(talk) 13:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC) SELFRED explicitly says these kind of selfrefs are acceptable. I should have marked them with {{R to section}}, which...

above)". – I have no idea what this sentence is trying to tell me. Also, MOS:SELFREF "Since the early to mid-1950s, a number of critics belonging to the French...

galleries according to Wikipedia's policies" (which also seems to violate WP:SELFREF). What about creating an image that says "See article" (or something else...

purposes. Continued use of these kind of templates in places where the WP:SELFREF guideline don't apply is redundant to talk page banners, and would eventually...

There may be rules for where we can insert such links (see possibly WP:SELFREF). --Teratornis (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC) thanks a lot, ahh so your...

dab page, and add the entries one by one. I am also unhappy with the WP:SELFREF issues—this template introduces too much of Wikipedia's underpinnings for...

missing references. Do we substitute the Wikipedia: links, wrapped in {{selfref}}? --William Allen Simpson 05:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC) Delete per nom. --...

entire article was built around the subject's activities on Wikipedia. WP:SELFREF is the appropriate guideline here; this section is pretty clear about how...

-- Jmabel | Talk 18:14, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC) Keep but rename to Template:selfref. The above arguments have convinced me of its usefulness, but templates...

argument. Absent demonstrable notability, this is an obvious case of WP:SELFREF and WP:NOT#DICTIONARY/WP:NEO. Absent independent sourcing, this is an obvious...

material must be treated just as other material (some people think WP:SELFREF says otherwise. They should read what it actually says) and b) the surrounding...

remains a good principle. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC) {{selfref}} hatnotes are common enough on pages where someone genuinely might be...

29 May 2025 (UTC) Retarget per Rotideypoc41352 as the most helpful. A {{selfref}} hatnote should be added to the current target for those people who do...

This template is redundant with Template:CompactTOC4, but for the removal of the numbers link. On this page, we've recently voted to remove a number of...

"In this discography, music videos are included as well." – avoid WP:SELFREF. Combine this into the first sentence. Removed sentence, as the music videos...

encyclopedia proper, and so a link to a cat from inside an article is a form of selfref. Consider that if the article was exported, the cat links wouldn't work...

of a surprising interwiki redirect, but you could hatnote to it using {{selfref}} nonetheless. Duckmather (talk) 16:48, 19 July 2026 (UTC) I don't strongly...

confirm=lowercase (1702, 1502, 0, 0) duck:8080?remove=selfref (1702, 1502, 0, 0) duck:8080?confirm=selfref (1702, 1502, 0, 0) duck:8080?remove=citenews (1702...

(Come shout at me!) 23:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC) 'Weak oppose per WP:FUI (selfref). Kayau Voting IS evil 02:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC) Edit 2 Just my interpretation...

dicdef and the other is POV. This should be replaced with soft redirect ({{selfref|In Wikipedia...}}) and protected. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 16:35, 19 August...

February 2022 (UTC) The following cladogram is based on This seems like a WP:SELFREF; is there any way to avoid it, or is this typical for articles of this...

nominator's part. -Splashtalk 01:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC) apparent nn selfref neologism Savidan 15:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC) Delete neologism.--み使い...

entire article was built around the subject's activities on Wikipedia. WP:SELFREF is the appropriate guideline here; this section is pretty clear about how...

parents of child sublists). Issues are as follows: the message violates WP:SELFREF and has cross-namespace links. The average reader does not know or care...

11 January 2008 (UTC) Sidebar translator adds or modifies portlet links Selfrefs as a tab not reliable; adds or modifies portlet links HighlightRedirects...

Wikipe-tan as a "moe anthropomorphism". I also think this may be a WP:SELFREF violation. IvoryMeerkat (talk) 16:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC) "WP:OR does...

June 2012 (UTC) "(see Hesychast controversy)": This recent edit is a WP:SELFREF problem; the reader may be reading this on a mirror site or elsewhere,...

Wickethewok 18:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC) Delete per all. I prefer. Adding a selfref tag to an article that does not exist or redirecting an article to another...

redirects is to find an appropriate target within article space and add a {{selfref}}. ~ trialsanderrors 09:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC) The above is an archived...

2025 (UTC) Retarget both per Eureka Lott and David Eppstein and add a {{selfref}} hatnote to the help page there. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 14 July 2025...

2014 January February March April May June July August September October November December Semi-protection: High level of disruptive edits, unsourced additions/changes...

remains a good principle. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC) {{selfref}} hatnotes are common enough on pages where someone genuinely might be...

formulation to refer to a section of a book as 'this section'. And WP:SELFREF refers explicitly to Wikipedia referencing itself ('A self-reference in...

(DAB), which, in addition to several plausible mainspace targets, has a selfref link to Help:Category for any newbie searching this because they're trying...

warning and aggressive calls mentioned above – avoid self references (MOS:SELFREF) Changed to 'aforementioned'. Olmagon (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2025 (UTC)...

any editor taking that action; if they do so, they should include a {{selfref}} hatnote to Wikipedia:List of administrators and/or Category:Wikipedia...

in this article" is completely different from what is described at MOS:SELFREF -- all it needs is an appropriate section link (as in Template:Section...

(talk) 00:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC) Retarget per Cremastra and add a {{selfref}} hatnote to the project page. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 17 September 2024...

(talk) 13:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC) SELFRED explicitly says these kind of selfrefs are acceptable. I should have marked them with {{R to section}}, which...

argument. Absent demonstrable notability, this is an obvious case of WP:SELFREF and WP:NOT#DICTIONARY/WP:NEO. Absent independent sourcing, this is an obvious...

February 2022 (UTC) The following cladogram is based on This seems like a WP:SELFREF; is there any way to avoid it, or is this typical for articles of this...

Category:Regnal lists rather than the other way around, but that's MOS:SELFREF, WP:CIRC, "breaking the fourth wall" etc., and generally just plain silly)...

14:16:00 5 Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 30 Disambig and selfref templates exempt from NPOV? 2008-02-20 15:04:00 4 Wikipedia:Village pump...

uses Canadian Inuktitut terminology, unless otherwise noted. is a MOS:SELFREF. I've only recently come across this area, which appears pretty complex...

real and complex matrices,... seems to be an unhelpful and inaccurate selfref: most of the matrices in the article have integer entries. There are WP:ACCESS...

shown below" ... opinions vary on this; some discussion can be found in WP:SELFREF and its talk page. Some people feel strongly that you never know where...

shown below" ... opinions vary on this; some discussion can be found in WP:SELFREF and its talk page. Some people feel strongly that you never know where...

Unlinkdates 71 Milterms 71 Amp 71 Hash 71 Time 71 MEDLANG 70 POPCULT 70 SELFREF 69 KO 67 DABPIPING 65 FIRST 62 MAIN 62 CAPS (disambiguation) 61 EM 61 PRECISION...

don't know what's the best way to say this while complying with WP:FL?, WP:SELFREF and WP:V. I'm assuming you don't have reliable sources to back up the statement...

redirects is to find an appropriate target within article space and add a {{selfref}}. ~ trialsanderrors 09:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC) The above is an archived...

prehistoric Scotland” should be bold. Wikipedia:Self-references to avoid In WP:SELFREF#Examples of self-references as defined by this guideline, changed: "The...

GOCEreviewed (links here) 1363 2480 Redirect_to_stage_name (links here) 1363 2481 Selfref_inline (links here) 1363 2482 Taxonomy/Proctotrupomorpha (links here) 1363...

= /\{\{\s*(hatnote|main|correct title|dablink|distinguish|for|further|selfref|year dab|similar names|highway detail hatnote|broader|about|other uses...

shown below" ... opinions vary on this; some discussion can be found in WP:SELFREF and its talk page. Some people feel strongly that you never know where...

list represents only a small fraction of her recorded performances. - WP:SELFREF violation. Also no criteria for what's included in the discography, making...

above)". – I have no idea what this sentence is trying to tell me. Also, MOS:SELFREF "Since the early to mid-1950s, a number of critics belonging to the French...

(links here) 1901 1592 Infobox_economist (links here) 1900 1593 Selfref (links here) 1900 1594 Cite_Americana (links here) 1899 1595 WikiProject_The_Simpsons...

would remove this - the first sentence of the lead covers it IMO Per MOS:SELFREF, they're not prohibited. In fact, it specifically says "Similarly, many...

2025 (UTC) The {{Hatnote}} template with the parameter selfref=yes adds the CSS class selfref to the hatnote, whereas the {{Self-reference}} template...

violation of WP:SELFREF. It's dubious whether this topic should even have an article, but that's another discussion." I've read WP:SELFREF and it doesn't...

resolve dispute on article talk page: 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "/* WP:SELFREF */ Reply" Comments: The last revert follows talk-page discussion in which...

concerns with putting such list of criteria directly in the page is MOS:SELFREF, especially MOS:LISTINTRO: to insert them in the page could break the fourth...

summary). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC) Delete. Violates WP:SELFREF, and important topics can be covered in the main topic article much better...

the terms "Colombian Navy" and "ARC" interchangeably.": Delete; see WP:SELFREF. - Dank (push to talk) 03:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks! Done!. did leave...

have more experience with this than I do. The specific violation is MOS:SELFREF, which advises not to self refer to Wikipedia in article namespace. Having...

describe Israel's actions as "genocide" in wikivoice. It would be too WP:SELFREF to try to describe that in the articles. Anomie⚔ 14:23, 21 December 2025...

MOS:CIRCULAR, wikimedia.org (including Wikipedia) are circular references and WP:SELFREF. Absolutiva 07:33, 17 October 2025 (UTC) I meant to add that the UCoC itself...

warning and aggressive calls mentioned above – avoid self references (MOS:SELFREF) Changed to 'aforementioned'. Olmagon (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2025 (UTC)...

footnotes are best found in the linked articles"-- is not appropriate. See MOS:SELFREF. Hopefully these suggestions will help you improve the article; you may...

formulation to refer to a section of a book as 'this section'. And WP:SELFREF refers explicitly to Wikipedia referencing itself ('A self-reference in...