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There has been much disinformation and misunderstanding concerning the similarities of a water ionizer, the process of water electrolysis, and electrolysis used…

Water Ionizers - Electrolyzed Reduced Water

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There has been much disinformation and misunderstanding concerning the similarities of a water ionizer, the process of water electrolysis, and electrolysis used for hydrogen production All three use the same principle of electrolysis. Water ionizers use an electrically charged anode and cathode submerged in water, enabling the production of electrolyzed reduced water.

Peer reviewed research requires disclosure of "Materials and methods" for replication and verification. For example:

"Apparatus producing Electrolyzed Reduced Water (ERW). The apparatus, Antioxidant Water System Health Control for producing the ERW is supplied commercially (Health Control, Taiching, Tawain). The apparatus consists of two parts, one is used for water purification, while the other is used for the electrolysis of water. The equipment for the electolysis of water can control the pH regulator form 8.10 to 9.50 ORP values from -160mV to -400mV and the water flow rate at 2.40 liters per minute. When the switch is turned on, tap water is purified and then electrolyzed through the system to produce the ERW needed. ERW was collect and utilized in this experement." [1]

In a recent deletion to the water ionizer Wiki entry, MastCell removed journal citations discussing the effects of electrolyzed reduced water on human and animal health. MastCell, defends his deletions, by commenting, "already discussed on talk page; these refs are not on water ionizers as marketed, and their use to support such devices here constitutes improper synthesis" This discussion was moved from MastCell's talk page to Gillyweed's Talk.

The claim of "improper synthesis" is improperly applied because similar "methods and materials" state the use of commercial ionizers in the journal citations MastCell Talk has deleted. [2][3][4][5][6][7][8]

RealScienceEditor (talk) 04:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

Please note that none of the eight refs cited above are reviews, they are all primary sources in the sense of the term used by WP:MEDRS. To quickly check this, click on the PMID number to link to the PubMed abstract. Once there, select the Medline or XML display format. If Medline is selected, field PT will show the publication type; if XML is selected, then field <PublicationType> will. In either case "Review" is the value that should show in the field. Regards, LeadSongDog come howl 16:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ TSai C.F., Hsu Y.W., Chen W.K., Ho Y.C, Lu F.J. (07). "Enhanced induction of mitochondrial damage and apoptosis in human leukemia HL-60 cells due to electrolyzed-reduced water and glutathione" (pdf). Bioscience, Biotechnology, and Biochemistry. 73 (2). Japan: Japan Society for Bioscience, Biotechnology, and Agrochemistry: 280–287. ISSN 0916-8451. PMID 19202298. 9205717. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  2. ^ Ye J, Li Y, Hamasaki T, Nakamichi N, Komatsu T, Kashiwagi T, Teruya K, Nishikawa R, Kawahara T, Osada K, Toh K, Abe M, Tian H, Kabayama S, Otsubo K, Morisawa S, Katakura Y, Shirahata S. (01). "Inhibitory effect of electrolyzed reduced water on tumor angiogenesis" (pdf). Biological & Pharmaceutical Bulletin. 31 (1). Japan: Pharmaceutical Society of Japan: 19–26. ISSN 0918-6158. PMID 18175936. 9311984. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  3. ^ TSai C.F., Hsu Y.W., Chen W.K., Ho Y.C, Lu F.J. (07). "Enhanced induction of mitochondrial damage and apoptosis in human leukemia HL-60 cells due to electrolyzed-reduced water and glutathione" (pdf). Bioscience, Biotechnology, and Biochemistry. 73 (2). Japan: Japan Society for Bioscience, Biotechnology, and Agrochemistry: 280–287. ISSN 0916-8451. PMID 19202298. 9205717. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  4. ^ Huang KC, Yang CC, Hsu SP, Lee KT, Liu HW, Morisawa S, Otsubo K, Chien CT (01). "Electrolyzed-reduced water reduced hemodialysis-induced erythrocyte impairment in end-stage renal disease patients" (pdf). Kidney International. 70 (2). United States: Nature Publishing Group: 391–398. ISSN 0085-2538. PMID 16760903. 0323470. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  5. ^ Li Y, Nishimura T, Teruya K, Maki T, Komatsu T, Hamasaki T, Kashiwagi T, Kabayama S, Shim SY, Katakura Y, Osada K, Kawahara T, Otsubo K, Morisawa S, Ishii Y, Gadek Z, Shirahata S. (01). "Protective mechanism of reduced water against alloxan-induced pancreatic beta-cell damage: Scavenging effect against reactive oxygen species". Cytotechnology. 40 (1–3). Netherlands: Kluwer Academic Publishers: 139–149. ISSN 0920-9069. PMID 19003114. 8807027. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  6. ^ Huang KC, Yang CC, Lee KT, Chien CT. (01). "Reduced hemodialysis-induced oxidative stress in end-stage renal disease patients by electrolyzed reduced water" (pdf). Kidney International. 64 (2). United States: Nature Publishing Group: 704–714. ISSN 0085-2538. PMID 12846769. 0323470. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  7. ^ Kim MJ, Jung KH, Uhm YK, Leem KH, Kim HK. (01). "Preservative effect of electrolyzed reduced water on pancreatic beta-cell mass in diabetic db/db mice" (pdf). Biological & Pharmaceutical Bulletin. 30 (2). Japan: Pharmaceutical Society of Japan: 234–236. ISSN 0918-6158. PMID 17268057. 9311984. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  8. ^ Lee KJ, Jin D, Chang BS, Teng YC, Kim DH. (01). "The immunological effects of electrolyzed reduced water on the Echinostoma hortense infection in C57BL/6 mice" (pdf). Biological & Pharmaceutical Bulletin. 32 (3). Japan: Pharmaceutical Society of Japan: 456–462. ISSN 0918-6158. PMID 19252295. 9311984. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |year= / |date= mismatch (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  1. User Talk:RealScienceEditor#Water Ionizers - Electrolyzed Reduced Water. Journal citations deleted, disagreement over improper synthesis. 05:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

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