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Hi Pat,
I just noticed that in you added a {{dubious}} tag to Characters in Romeo and Juliet#Balthasar. It's not immediately obvious to me which statement you find to be "dubious". Could you clarify? --Xover (talk) 20:15, 16 April 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-16T20:15:00.000Z","author":"Xover","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Xover-2012-04-16T20:15:00.000Z-\"Dubious\"_tag_on_Characters_in_Romeo_and_Juliet#Balthasar?","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello. Can I just ask that you inform the creator of a page if you nominate it for speedy deletion? I do disagree with the proposed deletion, but only saw it by chance. Please add a prod if you still think it should be deleted. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 12:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-20T12:11:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2012-04-20T12:11:00.000Z-Thomas_Dalyell_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->
I can't understand why after this message, you prodded it, but again didn't inform the creator. Boleyn (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T20:49:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2012-04-21T20:49:00.000Z-Thomas_Dalyell_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->
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That's probably the best thing to do! Sorry I've just looked at the history and I come across as a right plum. Didn't mean to do so, sorry. I think we had the traditional box at Bradford West until polling day. It's easier to edit for editors and IPs that way.
I was probably a bit stressed before. Will be better behaved from now on, promise doktorbwordsdeeds18:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-24T18:03:00.000Z","author":"Doktorbuk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doktorbuk-2012-05-24T18:03:00.000Z-Manchester_Central","replies":[],"displayName":"doktorb"}}-->
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Hello. When another editor objects to speedy deletion, the proper course of action if you still want to delete it is to bring the matter to WP:Articles for deletion, not to wait two weeks and apply another speedy deletion tag. Thank you. — Malik ShabazzTalk/Stalk12:32, 5 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-05T12:32:00.000Z","author":"Malik Shabazz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malik_Shabazz-2012-05-05T12:32:00.000Z-Thomas_Dalyell_(disambiguation)_2","replies":[]}}-->
I may have slipped up to some extent, but I may not be the only person to have done so. It looks as if the page was speedily deleted, but somebody re-created it. However, I'm leaning to the view that maybe we can keep this page. PatGallacher (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-05T12:40:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-05-05T12:40:00.000Z-Thomas_Dalyell_(disambiguation)_2","replies":[]}}-->
It was re-created because you hadn't contacted the creator; you didn't because you knew I'd contest it. You had already nominated it for speedy deletion and prodded it - removed by two different editors - so you knew it should have gone to afd. It was re-created because it's both a page which clearly meets the guidelines at MOS:D, and because you should not have nominated it as uncontroversial, when you knew full well it was not. I'm shocked by your behaviour in all this. Boleyn (talk) 18:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-05T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2012-05-05T18:33:00.000Z-Thomas_Dalyell_(disambiguation)_2","replies":[]}}-->
Sorry, I think I was getting a bit confused, but I wasn't trying to pull a fast one on anyone. PatGallacher (talk) 20:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-05T20:23:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-05-05T20:23:00.000Z-Thomas_Dalyell_(disambiguation)_2","replies":[]}}-->
You've again nominated a page I created for speedy deletion without informing me, even after I've left three messages about this behaviour on your Talk page within the last couple of weeks. Please stop. Your reason didn't make any sense to me, at least. If you still think it should be deleted, please take it to AfD - and if you do, let the creator (i.e. me) know! It's basic courtesy, when someone's taken the trouble to create a page, and it's in the guidelines. Boleyn (talk) 16:13, 29 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-29T16:13:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2012-05-29T16:13:00.000Z-Thomas_Dalyell_(disambiguation)_2","replies":[]}}-->
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Please stop jumping to conclusions about my edits and throwing your weight around as if you own Wikipedia-and have you nothing better to do?
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If you had read my explanations on the various pages on which you have been reverting my edits, you would have seen that I pointed out about the discussions that there WERE about these name changes, which are common sense and fair, and certainly not vandalism. If you want to contest them, please do so by adding to the discussions yourself (though I am not sure if you are actually even interested in and knowledgable about the articles and suspect you just enjoy patrolling Wiki like an uptight traffic warden) and please not just changing back without consensus. Thankyou. Nocrowx (talk) 01:41, 10 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-10T01:41:00.000Z","author":"Nocrowx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nocrowx-2012-06-10T01:41:00.000Z-Please_stop_jumping_to_conclusions_about_my_edits_and_throwing_your_weight_aroun","replies":[]}}-->
I'm not throwing my weight around, I'm enforcing Wikipedia guidelines, that contentious moves should go through the move procedure, and naming conventions at WP:NCROY. PatGallacher (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-10T01:43:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-06-10T01:43:00.000Z-Please_stop_jumping_to_conclusions_about_my_edits_and_throwing_your_weight_aroun","replies":[]}}-->
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At least they do in my country.
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I've no problem if you want to take the article to AfD, but I believe that sources exist, and that he meets the relevant notability criteria, so I've removed the prod. Warofdreamstalk10:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-28T10:31:00.000Z","author":"Warofdreams","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Warofdreams-2012-06-28T10:31:00.000Z-Walter_Millar","replies":[]}}-->
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Do you by chance have a copy of the newspaper articles? Tiptoetytalk00:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-22T00:18:00.000Z","author":"Tiptoety","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tiptoety-2012-06-22T00:18:00.000Z-Derren_Nesbitt","replies":[]}}-->
I think there are some online, but linking to them could create problems as they could be copyright violations. The case did attract a certain amount of lurid publicity at the time. PatGallacher (talk) 00:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-22T00:29:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-06-22T00:29:00.000Z-Derren_Nesbitt","replies":["c-Tiptoety-2012-06-22T01:21:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-06-22T00:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
Would it be possible to email me the links? Thanks! Tiptoetytalk01:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-22T01:21:00.000Z","author":"Tiptoety","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tiptoety-2012-06-22T01:21:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-06-22T00:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-PatGallacher-2012-06-22T10:16:00.000Z-Tiptoety-2012-06-22T01:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
I could, but on second thoughts maybe there's dangers of attaching undue weight to this incident. PatGallacher (talk) 10:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-22T10:16:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-06-22T10:16:00.000Z-Tiptoety-2012-06-22T01:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tiptoety-2012-06-27T04:13:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-06-22T10:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
Personally, I am not sure that the statements I removed are that important to the article and would like to see them removed. That said, if it is possible to provide me with reputable sources that confirm he engaged in the activities I would not protest them remaining in the article. Cheers, Tiptoetytalk04:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-27T04:13:00.000Z","author":"Tiptoety","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tiptoety-2012-06-27T04:13:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-06-22T10:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tiptoety-2012-07-01T05:29:00.000Z-Tiptoety-2012-06-27T04:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi Pat. Just checking in to see if you have any intention on responding to my query. Thanks! Tiptoetytalk05:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-01T05:29:00.000Z","author":"Tiptoety","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tiptoety-2012-07-01T05:29:00.000Z-Tiptoety-2012-06-27T04:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
My response is as above. PatGallacher (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-01T11:34:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-07-01T11:34:00.000Z-Derren_Nesbitt","replies":["c-Tiptoety-2012-07-01T16:30:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-07-01T11:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
If you are worried about attaching undue weight then don't you agree it would be best to remove the content from the article all together? If you are unwilling to provide the reference that you placed in the article then the reference is no good. Tiptoetytalk16:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-01T16:30:00.000Z","author":"Tiptoety","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tiptoety-2012-07-01T16:30:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-07-01T11:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-PamD-2012-07-01T17:20:00.000Z-Tiptoety-2012-07-01T16:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
(talk page stalker) - The Times, Friday, Jan 26, 1973; pg. 4; Issue 58691; col A: Derren Nesbitt fined £250 for wife assaults. From Our Correspondent.
It's available online to anyone who has a UK public library ticket if their local library subscribes to the Times Digital Archive (as far as I know most do so - Lancashire and Leeds certainly do). But there is no requirement for references to be available online, and no requirement on an editor using a reference to supply other editors with copies of it: that's what libraries are for. PamD17:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-01T17:20:00.000Z","author":"PamD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PamD-2012-07-01T17:20:00.000Z-Tiptoety-2012-07-01T16:30:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Pam"}}-->
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I've made my latest comments here: [[1]]. The main issue I have with this person is their attitude - they blatently state their version is better and that anything else is inferior, going so far as to call me a poor writer. I was under the impression that civility counted for something on Wikipedia? At any rate, a third opinion is needed.
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Dunfermline and Dundee have not resigned there place therefore at the moment there is no position available in Div1 for Airdrie or Div2 for Stranraer. Rangers have said there future is uncertain as they don't know if SPL2 will be formed. The Herald and Channel four are stating that this is likely to be put forward.EdinburghWanderer14:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-13T14:24:00.000Z","author":"Edinburgh Wanderer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Edinburgh_Wanderer-2012-07-13T14:24:00.000Z-League_Changes","replies":[],"displayName":"Edinburgh"}}-->
I am going by a news announcement. The possible formation of SPL2 is a couple of seasons away. It is now surely certain that either Dunfermline or Dundee will be in the SPL next season, even if we don't know which. PatGallacher (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-13T14:28:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-07-13T14:28:00.000Z-League_Changes","replies":[]}}-->
As a regular contributor to the Airdrie United article I was tempted to add something in today regarding the vote taken by The Scottish Football League and the implications that vote may have on Airdrie. Although an announcement was made by the SFL that Airdrie would be playing in Division One and (my understanding) the clubs voted to accept any forthcoming resignation of Dundee or Dunfermline to allow such a vacancy for Airdrie, the media seem to be saying this saga has not finished its course. As it stands (on 13 July) the SPL have not accepted either Dundee or Dunfermline, so although it's likely to happen, it's not a done deal. Perhaps gentlemen we could agree to "abstain" from any changes in the article until this is signed, sealed and delivered? Centre Stand (talk) 19:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-13T19:16:00.000Z","author":"Centre Stand","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Centre_Stand-2012-07-13T19:16:00.000Z-League_Changes","replies":["c-Edinburgh_Wanderer-2012-07-13T22:33:00.000Z-Centre_Stand-2012-07-13T19:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
Actually it was league recon that was a couple of seasons away. SPL2 was a short term solution to the problem although very unlikely. The main point is until Dundee or Dunfermline resign the change cannot take place no club not even Rangers can be placed into Div3. Their resignation will be accepted but it has not happened. Its good faith because some sources don't make it clear that the SFA have yet to ratify or that no resignation has taken place the better ones do though. The SFL statement does not cover this section yet[2] the Clyde statement is spot on tonight they hope its over but they think not.[3]. The BBC source says poised to be promoted and they hope the SFA and SPL will go with the decision.[4]EdinburghWanderer22:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-13T22:33:00.000Z","author":"Edinburgh Wanderer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Edinburgh_Wanderer-2012-07-13T22:33:00.000Z-Centre_Stand-2012-07-13T19:16:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Edinburgh"}}-->
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Just a courtesy call to say that I'm trying to get a discussion started about restructuring and updating the article on the murder of Suzane Pilley. I only bring it to your attention because I note from the logs that it was you who moved the original HMA V Gilroy page to the current page - I'm proposing amongst other things that we undo this. SpectroscopicJ (talk) 17:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-22T17:38:00.000Z","author":"SpectroscopicJ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpectroscopicJ-2012-07-22T17:38:00.000Z-Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley","replies":[]}}-->
Hello again - I get the feeling we might be seeing a lot more of each other. This article needs updating. It hasn't been touched in a while, so I just took the liberty of going ahead and doing it. As the original author I thought I better let you know. Problems, or want to discuss anything about the article, get in touch. SpectroscopicJ (talk) 20:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-22T20:04:00.000Z","author":"SpectroscopicJ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpectroscopicJ-2012-07-22T20:04:00.000Z-Derek_Ogg","replies":[]}}-->
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Arite Pat, see the talk page on this article as well when you get a minute. SpectroscopicJ (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-22T20:26:00.000Z","author":"SpectroscopicJ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpectroscopicJ-2012-07-22T20:26:00.000Z-HM_Advocate_v_Muirhead_and_McKenzie","replies":[]}}-->
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Sports are a special case. For instance, we use the name "Chinese Taipei" in sports contexts, even thought that name is not used in non-sports contexts. I reverted the undiscussed move to Ivory Coast at the Olympics, it should go to an RM. (For instance, there is currently an RM proposal to move Myanmar football articles to Burma titles) For things like Economy of Ivory Coast, I didn't revert it although some would argue that even that should go through an RM (the precedent here would be articles like Flag of China, which went the RM route even though People's Republic of China had been moved to China some time earlier. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 17:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-30T17:17:00.000Z","author":"P.T. Aufrette","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-P.T._Aufrette-2012-07-30T17:17:00.000Z-C\u00f4te_d'Ivoire_in_sports","replies":[]}}-->
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Please see the talk page for Charles Prince of Wales. I have provided source material to substantiate the fact that the Prince of Wales is directly descended from Vlad the Impaler. I hope this proves useful.Ds1994 (talk) 19:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-04T19:03:00.000Z","author":"Ds1994","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ds1994-2012-09-04T19:03:00.000Z-Vlad_the_Impaler_(Vlad_Dracul)","replies":[]}}-->
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Removing DEFAULTSORT from Chinese names as you did on Huang Qian is not correct according to WP:SUR. I think the reason is that it does not sort correctly w.r.t. a name like Al Huang ({{DEFAULTSORT:Huang, Al}}). Even if this were not the case I don't see the point in removing the correct default sort as it is valuable documentation. Quale (talk) 06:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-08T06:38:00.000Z","author":"Quale","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quale-2012-09-08T06:38:00.000Z-DEFAULTSORT_and_Chinese_names","replies":["c-Quale-2012-09-08T06:40:00.000Z-Quale-2012-09-08T06:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
I actually had this conversation with you before in 2009, so this is round two. User_talk:PatGallacher/Archive1#DEFAULTSORT. Quale (talk) 06:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-08T06:40:00.000Z","author":"Quale","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Quale-2012-09-08T06:40:00.000Z-Quale-2012-09-08T06:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello, PatGallacher. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Ding Yixin, for deletion because it's a biography of a living person that lacks references. If you don't want Ding Yixin to be deleted, please add a reference to the article.
If you need help doing so, you can leave a note on my talk page.
Thanks, ♠♠ BanëJ ♠♠(Talk)13:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-08T13:34:00.000Z","author":"Banej","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Banej-2012-09-08T13:34:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Ding_Yixin","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2660\u2660 Ban\u00ebJ \u2660\u2660"}}-->
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Thank you for the friendly message. It will be taken to heart. Qworty (talk) 01:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-18T01:25:00.000Z","author":"Qworty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qworty-2012-09-18T01:25:00.000Z-Samara","replies":[]}}-->
Pat, I can't believe I'm contacting you about this on a 5th occasion in a short period of time. You have again nominated a page for speedy deletion, without letting the creator know. Creators must be informed - you know this. Also, again, the page clearly doesn't meet the criteria - there are 3 entries. Please, please read other MOS:DABRL and MOS:DABMENTION so you can see that redlinks are acceptable on disambiguation pages, and then please stop nominating pages for speedy deletion when they are valid. Boleyn (talk) 06:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-04T06:58:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2012-10-04T06:58:00.000Z-Margaret_Curran_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->
Sorry, my mistake, but I feel I should point out that in this case the red link was recently prodded. PatGallacher (talk) 10:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-04T10:53:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-10-04T10:53:00.000Z-Margaret_Curran_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->
Thanks. Boleyn (talk) 11:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-04T11:01:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2012-10-04T11:01:00.000Z-Margaret_Curran_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello PatGallacher,
I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Seven Angry Men for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.
If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.
You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Danielj2705 17:54, 17 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-17T17:54:00.000Z","author":"Danielj27052705","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Danielj27052705-2012-10-17T17:54:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Seven_Angry_Men","replies":[]}}-->
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Your recent editing history at Silvio_Berlusconi shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
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I realise that there is a dispute arising in relation to this article, but it sometimes takes two sides to make a heated dispute. I don't think I have broke the 3RR. I'm happy to continue talking on the talk page at present. However I think describing my edits as POV is itself somewhat POV. PatGallacher (talk) 20:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-26T20:56:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-10-26T20:56:00.000Z-October_2012","replies":["c-Trichuris_trichiura-2012-10-26T21:01:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-10-26T20:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
Interesting logic, but wrong. It has been described as POV because it's not accurate according to Italian legal theory, and therefore calling him a tax evader introduces POV. The important bit is that you stop re-adding the tag, as you repeatedly have done, while the discussion is ongoing. (Please read the notice more carefully regarding 3RR). T. trichiuraInfect me21:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-26T21:01:00.000Z","author":"Trichuris trichiura","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Trichuris_trichiura-2012-10-26T21:01:00.000Z-PatGallacher-2012-10-26T20:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-PatGallacher-2012-10-26T21:09:00.000Z-Trichuris_trichiura-2012-10-26T21:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"T. trichiura"}}-->
I only reverted twice, another Wikipedian who has nothing to do with me also reverted twice. However I will continue discussing at present. PatGallacher (talk) 21:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-26T21:09:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-10-26T21:09:00.000Z-Trichuris_trichiura-2012-10-26T21:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Pat, I find it rather silly that you were given a "warning" by Trichuris trichiura, who has twice removed the categories: [5], [6]. Trichuris trichiura should beware of WP:BOOMERANG. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 23:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-26T23:03:00.000Z","author":"BrownHairedGirl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BrownHairedGirl-2012-10-26T23:03:00.000Z-October_2012","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi - I notice that you have re-inserted the text from Pursuit: The Sinking of the Bismarck. The reason I deleted it was because I was trying to get the article re-assessed as B class on the quality assessment scale. That cannot be achieved without page numbers for all references. I have no problem with the text you have inserted remaining in the article (it is good material) but please can you insert the page numbers to meet the precise requirements of WP:SOURCE. Thanks in anticipation. Dormskirk (talk) 23:55, 29 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-29T23:55:00.000Z","author":"Dormskirk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dormskirk-2012-10-29T23:55:00.000Z-Sir_Dudley_Pound","replies":[]}}-->
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When the story broke earlier today, MacShane hadn't resigned, and knowing how Wikipedia's rapid response corps behave - particularly irresponsible IP address editors - I created and redirected Rotherham by-election, 2012 and Rotherham by-election, 2013. This would, I hoped, put a pause on people setting up new articles whilst we didn't have an actual resignation, not to mention a date.
I now see that Rotherham by-election 2012 has been fleshed out, so I can't really do much about that, but I hope we can stop too many editors pouring in with vandalism. See Next Middlesbrough by-election for one solution to the problem of not having a date yet, whilst having editors who want to create an article.
How do you think we should proceed, if indeed we need to?
(I'll copy this message to editors who worked on both 2012 and 2013 by-election articles)
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We now have two articles 'live', 2012 and 2013. Partly my fault, but the opposite to what I'd intended doktorbwordsdeeds17:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-02T17:35:00.000Z","author":"Doktorbuk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doktorbuk-2012-11-02T17:35:00.000Z-Rotherham_by-election","replies":[],"displayName":"doktorb"}}-->
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Pat, this is the sixth time I'm contacting you about the same issue, in a pretty short space of time. If it happens again, I can only assume it is deliberate and will have to take it further. Please inform creators if you nominate their page for deletion - it's the guidelines and it's basic courtesy - but I have said this before. Boleyn (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-09T13:17:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2012-11-09T13:17:00.000Z-Joan_Smith_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->
Sorry, my mistake, maybe it's the first sign of dementia. PatGallacher (talk) 15:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-09T15:08:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-11-09T15:08:00.000Z-Joan_Smith_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello Pat, I removed the prod from the above article as I do not think it's a suitable candidate for a proposed deletion an AfD would be more appropriate. Thank you. Rotten regardSoftnow19:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-18T19:33:00.000Z","author":"Rotten regard","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rotten_regard-2012-11-18T19:33:00.000Z-Prince_Georg_of_Hanover","replies":[]}}-->
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Children who are baptized in a Catholic church are "baptized Catholic." This is not something that requires a citation or proof of any sort. Please do not revert this information in the Nicholas Windsor article again. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 02:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-21T02:59:00.000Z","author":"Bookworm857158367","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bookworm857158367-2012-11-21T02:59:00.000Z-Lord_Nicholas_Windsor","replies":[]}}-->
Can you give us a source for that? This was discussed before at Talk:Line of succession to the British throne, nobody came up with a definite answer. As most Christian churches tend to recognise each other's baptisms you could just be baptised a Christian. See WP:PROVEIT. PatGallacher (talk) 12:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-21T12:14:00.000Z","author":"PatGallacher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatGallacher-2012-11-21T12:14:00.000Z-Lord_Nicholas_Windsor","replies":[]}}-->
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