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PIQA assessment

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Hi, would it be possible for the bot to add the |class= parameter to the banner shell at the same time it assesses for the MilHist project? For example [1]. This is only when there is no existing class already in the banner shell. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523115200","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240523115200-PIQA_assessment","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20240523203800-MSGJ-20240523115200"]}}-->

Should be. I will have a look. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523203800","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20240523203800-MSGJ-20240523115200","replies":["c-MSGJ-20240603045100-Hawkeye7-20240523203800"]}}-->

Thanks, any progress on this yet? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 04:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603045100","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240603045100-Hawkeye7-20240523203800","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20240603053000-MSGJ-20240603045100"]}}-->

I have prepared a fix, but have not deployed it yet. Will deploy it next week. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603053000","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20240603053000-MSGJ-20240603045100","replies":["c-MSGJ-20240618083900-Hawkeye7-20240603053000","c-MSGJ-20240816122600-Hawkeye7-20240603053000"]}}-->

Hi Hawkeye, any update on this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618083900","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240618083900-Hawkeye7-20240603053000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @Hawkeye7, just wondering if you had made any progress on this yet? You will notice that an error message is now displayed when a rating is placed in a project banner when there is no rating in the banner shell. You can see an example of this on Talk:Siege of Fredriksodde (at the time of writing). This is to encourage editors to put the rating in the banner shell. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240816122600","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240816122600-Hawkeye7-20240603053000","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20240816125500-MSGJ-20240816122600"]}}-->

Yes, the new version is running now. It should be handling it correctly now. It is running with the new dotnet container environment so there may be issues. However, it will only add to the banner shell if there is one. It does not add a banner shell if there isn't one already - I thought there was another bot that did that. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 12:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240816125500","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20240816125500-MSGJ-20240816122600","replies":["c-MSGJ-20240816132000-Hawkeye7-20240816125500","c-MSGJ-20240822072200-Hawkeye7-20240816125500","c-MSGJ-20240823151800-Hawkeye7-20240816125500"]}}-->

Great, thanks and understood. Yes I think Cewbot will handle that (correct Kanashimi)? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240816132000","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240816132000-Hawkeye7-20240816125500","replies":[]}}-->

Here it did not classify in the banner shell — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240822072200","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240822072200-Hawkeye7-20240816125500","replies":[]}}-->

Or here — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823151800","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240823151800-Hawkeye7-20240816125500","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20240823193100-MSGJ-20240823151800"]}}-->

I have a new version, but it will have to wait until I return in September. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823193100","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20240823193100-MSGJ-20240823151800","replies":["c-MSGJ-20240907131700-Hawkeye7-20240823193100"]}}-->

Hi - any update on this? Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907131700","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-MSGJ-20240907131700-Hawkeye7-20240823193100","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20240907151500-MSGJ-20240907131700"]}}-->

Not back yet. Still in Paris. One date of competition left. Returning next. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 15:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907151500","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20240907151500-MSGJ-20240907131700","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for working on this. I have a few comments.

1. Firstly, for a project that has opted out of PIQA (like milhist), it is safer to leave the class in {{WikiProject Military history}} as well as putting it in the banner shell. The reasons are a bit hard to explain but I will try. For an opt-out project, the banner shell rating is only looked at if the project's own class mask leaves it unassessed. So I can imagine a scenario where your own class mask at Template:WikiProject Military history/class would give an assessment even with |class= omitted from the banner, and this could be a different rating to what was intended.
2. How does the bot know if a human editor has assessed an article, and will it know not to override that?
3. When the article is given one of your non-standard ratings (e.g. |class=CL) will the bot put a standard rating (e.g. C) in the banner shell? Or will it skip these?

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1. We haven't opted out of PIQA per se; rather, we are moving towards it! When editing the classes by hand I leave them project ones, including milhist, blank, letting them default to rating in the banner shell. There has been an effort to weed out articles with multiple classifications. The MilHistBot has been updated to work with the banner shell.
2. If the article has been assessed, whether by a human or a bot, then the MilHistBot will leave it alone.
3. The banner shell will be marked "List" and the MilHist rating will be as expected Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009085500","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20241009085500-MSGJ-20241009084100","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20241010001600-Hawkeye7-20241009085500"]}}-->

   @MSGJ: To elaborate on this process. When a list is encountered, the AutoCheck run:

   1. Sets |class=List in the {{WikiProject banner shell}}
   2. Sets |list=yes in the {{WikiProject Military history}} template
   3. Sets the b1 thru b5 parameters in the {{WikiProject Military history}} template as appropriate

   The upshot is that the article will appear as a list in the banner shell, and be categorised as such in all projects except milhist, where it will appear as BL, CL or List class. Note that the class parameter is not set in the {{WikiProject Military history}} template. It will be in the correct categories for all projects. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010001600","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20241010001600-Hawkeye7-20241009085500","replies":["c-MSGJ-20241111104300-Hawkeye7-20241010001600"]}}-->

   Bot process seems to be working well. It missed this one yesterday for some reason — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111104300","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MSGJ-20241111104300-Hawkeye7-20241010001600","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20241111201500-MSGJ-20241111104300"]}}-->

   Will investigate. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111201500","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20241111201500-MSGJ-20241111104300","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20241112004200-Hawkeye7-20241111201500"]}}-->

   Y Bot did not recognise {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} as an alias of {{WikiProject banner shell}}. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112004200","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20241112004200-Hawkeye7-20241111201500","replies":["c-MSGJ-20241112094000-Hawkeye7-20241112004200"]}}-->

   Great, thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112094000","author":"MSGJ","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MSGJ-20241112094000-Hawkeye7-20241112004200","replies":[]}}-->

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Wrong content assessment with outlines

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MilHistBot rated Outline of George Washington as a start class article when it should be a list, could you help change it? Thanks! Atakes Ris (talk) 09:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205095200","author":"Atakes Ris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Atakes_Ris-20241205095200-Wrong_content_assessment_with_outlines","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20241205221400-Atakes_Ris-20241205095200"]}}-->

A correction has been made, and the Bot re-run against the article. [2] The changes has been checked in, and problem should now be resolved. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205221400","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20241205221400-Atakes_Ris-20241205095200","replies":[]}}-->

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Copy and pasting behavior

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For some reason the bot duplicated the entire content of this talk page so almost everything appeared three times: [3] I suspect this is an outlier but I'm also not sure how to check if it's happened to other talk pages. I stumbled upon it in the first place by looking for very long talk pages. [4] Cheers. Wizmut (talk) 03:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208033000","author":"Wizmut","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wizmut-20241208033000-Copy_and_pasting_behavior","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-20241208233000-Wizmut-20241208033000"]}}-->

I believe this problem has since been fixed. Let me know if it recurs. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208233000","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20241208233000-Wizmut-20241208033000","replies":[]}}-->