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Open Library, the biggest resource of freely-licensed books, now links to Wikidata (through Reasonator) and to VIAF (example here; see "Wikidata" in the right-hand column).
With 200 attendees, the WikidataCon is now complete. Thanks all for your enthusiasm \o/ If you registered on the waitlist or submitted a talk, check your mailbox for more information.
The WikidataCon program will be released this week, and we will call for volunteers soon
Looked into all the things necessary to make it possible to store forms and senses on Lexeme pages.
Worked more on caching constraints checks results which is needed to enable constraints checks for all logged-in users (phabricator:T173696)
Making progress on checking constraints also on qualifiers and references (phabricator:T168532)
Removed language fallback hints for dialects to make the UI less cluttered for them and make it less necessary to enter labels and descriptions for them (phabricator:T174318)
Fixed an issue that links to an item were not showing the label when it pointed to a redirect (phabricator:T96553)
Unrecognized input in entity selectors will be highlighted in red (phabricator:T170531)
Added an additional normalization for page titles when linking pages on Wiktionary via Cognate (phabricator:T172987)
The API will not only output the hashes for qualifier snaks, but also for main snaks as well as references snaks (phabricator:T174692). Note that hashes (other than IDs) are not meant to be stable identifiers, and should not be stored for a longer time.
Snak hashes will also appear as part of CSS classes in entity pages (phabricator:T171725)
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The program of the WikidataCon is now published on-wiki. You will find there a lot of different formats, topics and speakers, during the two days of the conference.
The event is now complete, no more tickets available. The last tickets have been attributed to the first persons who registered on the waitlist. If some more seats get free because another attendee cancels participation, the next person on the waitlist will be informed.
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Hello,
Beginning in September 2017, the Wikimedia Foundation Anti-harassment tool team will be conducting a survey to gauge how well tools, training, and information exists to assist English Wikipedia administrators in recognizing and mitigating things like sockpuppetry, vandalism, and harassment.
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Re this, it removed the map. What needs doing to get it back (apart from reverting your change)?.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds06:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-21T06:26:00.000Z","author":"JohnBlackburne","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnBlackburne-2017-09-21T06:26:00.000Z-Bernina_railway","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-09-21T10:48:00.000Z-JohnBlackburne-2017-09-21T06:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
@JohnBlackburne: Oops, sorry, I've added it back. Cases like this where the topic crosses a border aren't supported by the Wikidata code, so it needs the maplocin to be specified for now, and I accidentally removed that along with the rest of the code. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:48, 21 September 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-21T10:48:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-09-21T10:48:00.000Z-JohnBlackburne-2017-09-21T06:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hi Mike, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh66620:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-22T20:43:00.000Z","author":"Ansh666","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ansh666-2017-09-22T20:43:00.000Z-Thanks!","replies":[],"displayName":"ansh"}}-->
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Rolled out more fine-grained usage tracking on Greek Wikipedia. This will lead to less irrelevant changes showing up in watchlist and recent changes on those projects. We're testing this on Greek Wikipedia to see if the solution we have scales before rolling it out further. (phabricator:T151717)
Adding an API module to copy a statement from one item to another (phabricator:T55619)
Working more on checking constraints also on qualifiers and references (phabricator:T168532)
Added support for the Creator namespace to the constraints check for Commons links (phabricator:T176062)
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Cheers. thayts💬10:09, 30 September 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-30T10:09:00.000Z","author":"Thayts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thayts-2017-09-30T10:09:00.000Z-RE:_Maximum_number_of_values_to_retrieve?","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-09-30T14:48:00.000Z-Thayts-2017-09-30T10:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
That's good to know, thanks! I'd prefer to keep using WikidataIB for this for now though, since it has extra parameters/functionality for infoboxes (e.g. suppressfields). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:48, 30 September 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-30T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-09-30T14:48:00.000Z-Thayts-2017-09-30T10:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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This Month in Education
Volume 6 | Issue 8 | September 2017
This monthly newsletter showcases the Wikipedia Education Program. It focuses on sharing: your ideas, stories, success and challenges. You can see past editions here. You can also volunteer to help publish the newsletter. Join the team! Finally, don't forget to subscribe!
Hi Mike! Did you see the desert flower? Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 14:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-02T14:49:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2017-10-02T14:49:00.000Z-Flowers","replies":[]}}-->
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Following a successful proposal to create it, a new user right called "edit filter helper" is now assignable and revocable by administrators. The right allows non-administrators to view the details of private edit filters, but not to edit them.
Following a discussion about mass-application of ECP and how the need for logging and other details of an evolving consensus may have been missed by some administrators, a rough guide to extended confirmed protection has been written. This information page describes how the extended-confirmed aspects of the protection policy are currently being applied by administrators.
A request for comment is open regarding the structure, rules, and procedures of the December 2017 Arbitration Committee election, and how to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.
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Added a css class to values that link to redirects so they can more easily be identified by editors who want that for maintenance work (phabricator:T70567) Thanks Matej!
Finishing touches on adding full URIs for external identifiers to our RDF export so we're good citizens of the semantic web (phabricator:T121274)
Added a new mw.wikibase.getAllStatements Lua function in addition to the existing getBestStatements, that returns all statements regardless of their rank (phabricator:T176124)
Looking into an issue where unwanted email notifications are being sent (phabricator:T174794)
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When an RfC is started to move an infobox back to a non-Wikidata version (with so far not a lot of participation, but only you defending your Wikidata version), it is highly disruptive to scramble to migrate as many infoboxes as possible to your preferred version, making it unnecessary harder to revert to the other version if that is the decision. Edits like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hevsel_Gardens&diff=prev&oldid=803683585 this and the many others you have amde are a weak attempt to go for the "fait accompli" instead of having a decent, fundamental discussion. Please revert these edits and discuss the real issues. Fram (talk) 04:36, 4 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-04T04:36:00.000Z","author":"Fram","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fram-2017-10-04T04:36:00.000Z-Please_stop_your_disruption","replies":[]}}-->
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Several articles that use this template for sites in Mexico are now displaying a map of the US. Since you edited this today, I presume it is something you did. See Pinos (Zacatecas) for an example. MB03:53, 6 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-06T03:53:00.000Z","author":"MB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MB-2017-10-06T03:53:00.000Z-Infobox_World_Heritage_Site","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-06T11:53:00.000Z-MB-2017-10-06T03:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
@MB: It looks like this was due to vandalism that has been reverted. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:53, 6 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-06T11:53:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-06T11:53:00.000Z-MB-2017-10-06T03:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Upcoming: WikidataCon, Berlin, 28-29 October (sold out)
We will have two exciting keynotes. The first keynote speaker is Fabian M. Suchanek, professor at Télécom Paris Tech University, working on the knowledge base YAGO. The second keynote speaker is Michael Kreil, datajournalist working on the project Data Sciences and Stories.
Please volunteer for some tasks at the conference if you are attending.
Breaking change: "wb_entity_per_page" table will not be updated and replicated on ToolLabs anymore
A mw.wikibase.getLabelByLang Lua function will be added (phabricator:T173262)
The mw.wikibase.sitelink Lua function will accept a second parameter with the global identifier of a wiki (e.g. "enwiki") to link to (phabricator:T142903)
Had to temporarily turn off showing Wikidata's changes on Commons and Russian Wikipedia because of database issues. We're working on turning it back on.
Continued work on persistently storing edits to Forms on Lexemes
Finishing work on checking constraints on qualifiers and references with the constraint checks gadget
Fixed a bug where notification emails for Wikidata changes were sent when they shouldn't have been (phabricator:T174794)
Full URIs for external identifiers will soon be in the RDF export (phabricator:T121274)
Monthly Tasks
Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
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Re: Apparently infoboxes shouldn't include references, WP:INFOBOXREF says that a footnote isn't necessary if a fact is footnoted in the main text, but references in infoboxes are permitted in general and required in certain cases. So although the edit was correct, the edit comment risks misunderstanding.
I can see how to undo your edit, but (for example) what's the URL for editing Property:P729 of item Q1827255? 37.72.175.86 (talk) 01:34, 13 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-13T01:34:00.000Z","author":"37.72.175.86","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-37.72.175.86-2017-10-13T01:34:00.000Z-References_in_infoboxes","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-13T02:07:00.000Z-37.72.175.86-2017-10-13T01:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
On references in infoboxes: these can be shown from Wikidata, try using {{Infobox telescope|refs=yes}} in the article, but this was changed from the default to an option recently as apparently infoboxes shouldn't include references. You're right that that's not quite right, but it's a sore point with me at the moment, sorry.
On the edit links, are you using a mobile device to edit? If so, then I think editing statements is turned off in that interface (I don't know why). Please try switching to the desktop view, and you should have edit links next to each item. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 02:07, 13 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-13T02:07:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-13T02:07:00.000Z-37.72.175.86-2017-10-13T01:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Mike,
I think this is a Wikidata question, but I am really not sure, which is why I am asking you, rather than finding a relevant forum... I'm not actually sure what the appropriate forum would be.
I came across the article Roller Coaster Corporation of America. This defunct company has it's old website in the article's infobox, even though that address has been bought by someone else.
The website isn't in the infobox in the article's source. The wikidata item Q7361020 has the website, so I assume Wikipedia is pulling it from there.
The French Wikipedia also has the website, and has an "archive" link, which doesn't seem to work for me, but I have managed to find their old site on the Wayback machine. I think the French archive link was generated automatically when the link was added to the French Wikipedia
Not sure what the best thing to do is. Remove the URL from the wikidata object? Link to the (working) archive somehow from Wikidata? What do you think?
As an aside, the archive I link to above if from after the company folded... at least according to the article... but the archived text says "As the next millennium approaches", so I'm guessing it hadn't been updated for a while!
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@Yaris678: Sorry, I missed this earlier. It does look like it's being fetched from Wikidata, although that should be more clearly marked. I suspect the best thing to do is to update the URL on wikidata to the archived version, or add it as a second URL there and mark it as 'preferred' (use the little icons to the left of where you enter the URL). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 02:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-13T02:10:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-13T02:10:00.000Z-Yaris678-2017-10-07T03:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Yaris678-2017-10-13T20:13:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-10-13T02:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks Mike. I haven't edited Wikidata before. I've now done this. I think that option makes the most sense. Yaris678 (talk) 20:13, 13 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-13T20:13:00.000Z","author":"Yaris678","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Yaris678-2017-10-13T20:13:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-10-13T02:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Heya, I noticed that you made this edit to The Actor (painting) in June which is presumably what is presently causing the date-related errors in the infobox. The relevant data is on Q3041737 on Wikidata, but it looks like the template is having trouble with that. I'm not especially knowledgeable about this sort of thing, but I wanted to bring it to your attention since you might know what to do. Thanks. —Atvelonis (talk) 22:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-16T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Atvelonis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Atvelonis-2017-10-16T22:45:00.000Z-Wikidata_infobox_error","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-16T22:55:00.000Z-Atvelonis-2017-10-16T22:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Atvelonis: I've just had a look but I can't spot any errors. Are they still there, or might you have been viewing a cached version? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:55, 16 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-16T22:55:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-16T22:55:00.000Z-Atvelonis-2017-10-16T22:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atvelonis-2017-10-16T22:59:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-10-16T22:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
Ah, that would be it. Nevermind then! —Atvelonis (talk) 22:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-16T22:59:00.000Z","author":"Atvelonis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Atvelonis-2017-10-16T22:59:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-10-16T22:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-16T23:12:00.000Z-Atvelonis-2017-10-16T22:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Atvelonis: Great. :) BTW, if you spot problems with wikidata infoboxes in the future, you can always locally override values as you would normally do. And I'm always happy to help debug them as needed. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-16T23:12:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-16T23:12:00.000Z-Atvelonis-2017-10-16T22:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
I know you've been working with WikiData for some time. Could you advise or direct me to a good resource for doing this? I'm trying to check and/or add a parameter to a template which draws from WikiData ({{Taxonbar}} for all of its 42k transclusions) and I'm unsure how to proceed. Thanks. ~Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)17:01, 21 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-21T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Tom.Reding","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tom.Reding-2017-10-21T17:01:00.000Z-Semiautomatic_WikiData_editing","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-21T17:10:00.000Z-Tom.Reding-2017-10-21T17:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Tom.Reding: I'm not too sure how to do this - most of the edits I've been making on wikidata have been manual/gamified. Perhaps have a look at d:Help:QuickStatements, or ask at d:Wikidata:Project chat. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:10, 21 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-21T17:10:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-10-21T17:10:00.000Z-Tom.Reding-2017-10-21T17:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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