User talk:Jokestress/2009

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AfD nomination of Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory controversy

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory controversy, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory controversy. Thank you. Hfarmer (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-07T17:57:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-07T17:57:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Blanchard,_Bailey,_and_Lawrence_theory_controversy","replies":[]}}-->

I am confused by your message. Your edits to the dab left entries with no links, which isn't allowed per WP:MOSDAB. There should be one blue link per line, as there was under my version (I think one mistakenly had two, but the rest were necessary.) Boleyn (talk) 17:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-08T17:02:00.000Z","author":"Boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boleyn-2009-01-08T17:02:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Blanchard,_Bailey,_and_Lawrence_theory_controversy","replies":[]}}-->

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Mediation of Phenomena Vs. Term and NPOV in re Homosexual transsexual

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A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Homosexual transsexual, and indicate whether you agree or disagree to mediation. If you are unfamiliar with mediation on Wikipedia, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. Please note there is a seven-day time limit on all parties responding to the request with their agreement or disagreement to mediation. Thanks, Hfarmer (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-09T15:55:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-09T15:55:00.000Z-Mediation_of_Phenomena_Vs._Term_and_NPOV_in_re_Homosexual_transsexual","replies":[]}}-->

I have taken this step because it is the next logical step in the dispute resolution process. We have tried resolving this amongst ourselves. We have tried...

As well as our informal mediation. Which seems to have been more or less inconclusive. (They concluded that the article was about the term, it's history, and how it has been used. But that the whole disagreement was based on WP:Idontlikeit vs Ilikeit or something. More or less dismissing the whole issue.)

I want you to either be satisfied with the article or to accept that you may be mistaken on this point. Sure we could write an article as if it were just about a term "Homosexual transsexual" verbatim. But that would exclude much information both critical and not critical.--Hfarmer (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-09T15:55:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-09T15:55:00.000Z-Mediation_of_Phenomena_Vs._Term_and_NPOV_in_re_Homosexual_transsexual-1","replies":[]}}-->

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art

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First off, I apologize for the spam. You are receiving this message because you have indicated that you are in Southern California or interested in Southern California topics (either via category or WikiProject).

I would like to invite you to the Los Angeles edition of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art, a photography scavenger hunt to be held at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) on Saturday, February 28, 2009, from 1:00 to 7:00 PM. All photos are intended for use in Wikipedia articles or on Wikimedia Commons. There will be a prize available for the person who gets the most photos on the list.

If you don't like art, why not come just to meet your fellow Wikipedians. Apparently, we haven't had a meetup in this area since June 2006!

If you are interested in attending, please add your name to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art#Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Please make a note if you are traveling to the area (train or plane) and need transportation, which can probably be arranged via carpool, but we need time to coordinate. Lodging is as of right now out of scope, but we could discuss that if enough people are interested.

Thank you and I hope to see you there! howcheng {chat} 00:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-10T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Howcheng","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Howcheng-2009-01-10T00:04:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art","replies":[]}}-->

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See COI/N.

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I have submitted a COI/N notice regarding you, me, and user:Dicklyon here.
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COI/N and Arb COM. The mediation of phenom v term.

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Hello, I thought it would be wise to drop you a line regarding Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#user:Dicklyon.2C user:Jokestress.2C and user:James Cantor at The Man Who Would Be Queen. It seems that this is going to be refered to the Arbitration committee and that you are going to be named as a party. I noted for James Cantor that you have basically said, that this does not invovle you. It is between him and Dick Lyon. I think it likely that is why you have paid that proceeding no mind since your first reply. Perhaps you can suggest some sort of a thrid way? A way to settle this and avoid the Arb COM.

In speaking of thrid ways in re Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Homosexual transsexual on it's talk page, I made the suggestion that instead of looking at this as phenomena V. Term we look at this as being about a phenomena and a term that sexologist, and others have coined to describe it. Sort of along the lines of what you said about false dichotomies, Phenomena Vs term is such. Would you be agreeable to looking at this article as being about both a phenomena and the term which it has been named? If so I make the following proposal. I need to look for quotations that I can include in the controversy section which are from transsexuals, who speak personally about how much they dislike the term homosexual transsexual. We should not require that the person in question either be self described, or described by any one else as a homosexual transsexual. Just any ol transsexual(s) who has some academic credentials would do. The rest of the article would remain basically unchanged. Could you agree to this?--Hfarmer (talk) 11:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-13T11:50:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-13T11:50:00.000Z-COI\/N_and_Arb_COM._The_mediation_of_phenom_v_term.","replies":["c-Hfarmer-2009-01-13T22:57:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-01-13T11:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

The topic banning is not my idea. However if that's is all the men in our group (well who knows about ProudAGP? Frankly...uhhh...I agree with an assesment you once voiced of who they likely are) are willing to go along with. Just thought you should know what they were talking about doing. --Hfarmer (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-13T22:57:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-13T22:57:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-01-13T11:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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ArbCom request made.

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I have submitted the request we have been discussing on COI/N to ArbCom here.
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ArbCom Declined, Reconsider Mediation?

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Hello, the ArbCOM has declined the requested arbitration and basically says the community can solve this. Please reconsider your vote on the mediation of pehnomena Vs. term. Please consider my third way proposal that the article is about a phenomena which has been described in different terms in many historical/cultural context and by more than one intellectual discipline. As well as a term that has been used by sexologist for over half a century. This is my proposal in the mediation. Meeting you half way what more can you reasonably want? --Hfarmer (talk) 13:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-14T13:44:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-14T13:44:00.000Z-ArbCom_Declined,_Reconsider_Mediation?","replies":["c-Morven-2009-01-14T19:39:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-01-14T13:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I note this is premature, since only one arbitrator has so far declined. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 19:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)medieval total war windows vistall__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-14T19:39:00.000Z","author":"Morven","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Morven-2009-01-14T19:39:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-01-14T13:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hfarmer-2009-01-15T13:08:00.000Z-Morven-2009-01-14T19:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Matthew Brown (Morven)"}}-->
Well more than one has declined now, I see no reason we could not settle this little bit of this dispute right now. I propose a third and middle way forward. If that is acceptable then I can proceeed to the next steps which would be another good article review.--Hfarmer (talk) 13:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-15T13:08:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-15T13:08:00.000Z-Morven-2009-01-14T19:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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You Should have this.

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The Human Sexuality Barnstar
For years of good writing on the sexuality of transsexual women. Hfarmer (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-15T14:09:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-15T14:09:00.000Z-You_Should_have_this.","replies":[]}}-->
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Requests for mediation - The Man Who Would Be Queen

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A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/The Man Who Would Be Queen, and indicate whether you agree or disagree to mediation. If you are unfamiliar with mediation on Wikipedia, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. Please note there is a seven-day time limit on all parties responding to the request with their agreement or disagreement to mediation. Thanks, Cerejota (talk) 06:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-16T06:20:00.000Z","author":"Cerejota","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cerejota-2009-01-16T06:20:00.000Z-Requests_for_mediation_-_The_Man_Who_Would_Be_Queen","replies":[]}}-->

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User Conduct RfC Vs. Dicklyon

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I have taken the action of filing a user conduct RfC against Dicklyon based on his past and recent behavior. If you want to make your POV on this matter known please do. Users are needed to certify that the events as I presented them are factual, and they have to certify that outside help has been sought to address the issue. I have written this to every involved user in the mediation. Since Dick has proven that he will ignore any mediated arrangement when it suits him. The community must impose one on him. The proper venue for that is a user conduct RfC, not mediation. The proposed sanctions banning for editing any of the name space of the articles listed in the mediation, and from the user pages of any user who wishes to not have to deal with his mess any more. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Dicklyon. Thankyou and have a nice day :-) --Hfarmer (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-18T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-01-18T19:45:00.000Z-User_Conduct_RfC_Vs._Dicklyon","replies":[]}}-->


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A Request for Mediation to which you were are a party was not accepted and has been delisted.
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Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Man Who Would Be Queen#Mediator

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Hello. Please see the above link regarding the mediator for Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/The Man Who Would Be Queen. Regards, Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 10:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-26T10:32:00.000Z","author":"Ryan Postlethwaite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ryan_Postlethwaite-2009-01-26T10:32:00.000Z-Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation\/The_Man_Who_Would_Be_Queen#Mediator","replies":[]}}-->

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Steve Lopez

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Thanks a million for the spruce-up. :) g Wikigratia (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-29T23:21:00.000Z","author":"Wikigratia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikigratia-2009-01-29T23:21:00.000Z-Steve_Lopez","replies":[]}}-->

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COI

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Hi Jokestress, would you mind confirming on the mediation page that you have agreed not to edit articles about Bailey and his work, and not to edit anything about him in other articles? You may still comment on the talk pages so long as there are no BLP violations in your posts.

James Cantor has asked for confirmation that you have definitely agreed to this. Cheers, SlimVirgin talk|contribs 20:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-05T20:51:00.000Z","author":"SlimVirgin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SlimVirgin-2009-02-05T20:51:00.000Z-COI","replies":[]}}-->

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Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Man Who Would Be Queen

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Hello. Please see the above page as there has been a change in mediator and state whether or not you accept the new mediator. Regards, Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 22:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-08T22:54:00.000Z","author":"Ryan Postlethwaite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ryan_Postlethwaite-2009-02-08T22:54:00.000Z-Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation\/The_Man_Who_Would_Be_Queen","replies":[]}}-->


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Dušan Simović

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Hi! You've asked why my bot removed the interwiki link to the sr-wiki. Thank you giving me this hint. As I asked the bots logfile I've found that the server redirects the interwiki link [[sr:Dušan Simović]] to [[sr:Душан Симовић]] but for bots the first link doesn't exist and it never get the second. This is the reason for deleting this link as it doesn't found it. I have fixed this link and added some other interwiki links. For clarifying a will do a bug request by the pywikipedia framework in this matter. btw please don't leave your on the bot's talk page. Take my talk page on en or de-wiki instead. This would prevent some delay of response. Thanks --Xqt (talk) 07:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-12T07:46:00.000Z","author":"Xqt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Xqt-2009-02-12T07:46:00.000Z-Du\u0161an_Simovi\u0107","replies":["c-Xqt-2009-02-12T08:31:00.000Z-Xqt-2009-02-12T07:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

The pywikipedia bug request no. is 2484627, opened at 2009-01-03 22:54 --Xqt (talk) 08:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-12T08:31:00.000Z","author":"Xqt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xqt-2009-02-12T08:31:00.000Z-Xqt-2009-02-12T07:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Just what is your prefered explaination?

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Or do you not have one? In the long course of our discussions every popular and one unpopular theory has came up. I can't say that any of them seem to be to your liking. AGP/HSTS I expected you to not like. But it seems that HBS, Brain sex, and the old shoe "woman trapped in a mans body"/"feminine essence" all fail to you. I have stated what I think about all this in many places. But I don't think you ever have. What is your favorite theory for why transsexuals are the way we are? I really sincerely want to know?--Hfarmer (talk) 20:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-14T20:56:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-02-14T20:56:00.000Z-Just_what_is_your_prefered_explaination?","replies":["c-Jokestress-2009-02-14T21:48:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-14T20:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

I prefer the Foucauldian explanation. Jokestress (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-14T21:48:00.000Z","author":"Jokestress","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jokestress-2009-02-14T21:48:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-14T20:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hfarmer-2009-02-14T23:58:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-14T21:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
I am unfamiliar with that one could you elaborate. --Hfarmer (talk) 23:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-14T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-02-14T23:58:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-14T21:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jokestress-2009-02-15T01:01:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-14T23:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
Start by reading The History of Sexuality. Here's a link to Volume 1 (Introduction): ISBN 9780679724698 The other volumes are also well worth reading. FYI, if you wish to have a general discussion about these issues, I don't consider this the place. I am here to write articles. Jokestress (talk) 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-15T01:01:00.000Z","author":"Jokestress","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jokestress-2009-02-15T01:01:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-14T23:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hfarmer-2009-02-15T14:42:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-15T01:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thankyou. I don't want a general discussion. I just wanted to get a handle on why you write what you write. Which should make it a bit easier to work with you. --Hfarmer (talk) 14:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-15T14:42:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-02-15T14:42:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-15T01:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Do you think we should attempt to mediate the NPOV dispute

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Just you and I and a mediator. This is a pure content issue. No Dicklyon, no James Cantor, No what am I doing. You know my position and my offer. You say term I used to say phenomena, When really term and phenomena or as slim virgin called it "Concept" is the best way to look at this. So how about it. (I wonder if you though that OII's nonsense would make me go away. Their page was saying that I collaborated with Cantor to "hack wikipedia".  :-/ Anyone can edit. "Collaborating with James cantor", here you have to collaborate with who ever the hell shows up. Anyone who visits wikipedia for more than 5 seconds will notice that. The rest of that stuff is equally absurd transparent lies, or half truths' at best.)--Hfarmer (talk) 14:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-18T14:32:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-02-18T14:32:00.000Z-Do_you_think_we_should_attempt_to_mediate_the_NPOV_dispute","replies":["c-Jokestress-2009-02-18T15:53:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-18T14:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Perhaps we can create Conceptualizations of transgenderism as an umbrella article and then get into the specific concepts and terms once that is in place. Jokestress (talk) 15:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-18T15:53:00.000Z","author":"Jokestress","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jokestress-2009-02-18T15:53:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-18T14:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hfarmer-2009-02-18T17:17:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-18T15:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have a bold idea. There needs to be a separate wikipedia project to deal with transsexual/transgender issues, because what's going on now is not working. That T in LGBT can stand for so many many things. A conceptualizeation of transgenderism can be everything from HBS to GID, to BBL, to non western, and allot of other things... Creating that article could be good, or it could be a whole another can of worms. I.e. there doubtless some who would object to including HBS or transsexuality of any kind or shade under "Conceptualizeations of transgenderism". (Surely you have read and heard people complain about the "transgender umbrella".) I would not raise any such objection... just something to think about as a possible negative consequence.
What of the article "homosexual transsexual" as it applies to that specific term/concept/phenomena. Is that debate settled, is it term and phenomena, and concept? (concept being even more nebulous and broadly inclusive that either term or Phenomena) Are there any other things you want to change about the article. The legal issue could be changed in terms of how it is presented. But certainly "gay men with female sexual identities" seeking assylum and being described in secondary sources as "transsexual" or transgender would fit in to the broad notion of a "concept" of "homosexual transsexual". Wouldn't it? --Hfarmer (talk) 17:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-18T17:17:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-02-18T17:17:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-18T15:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jokestress-2009-02-18T17:23:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-18T17:17:00.000Z"]}}-->
No and no. Jokestress (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-18T17:23:00.000Z","author":"Jokestress","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jokestress-2009-02-18T17:23:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-18T17:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hfarmer-2009-02-19T16:16:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-18T17:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
No on setting up a separate transgender project apart from LGBT. No as what else specifically about the article? Or is some of that no no one out there would have a problem with creating a Conceptualizations of transgenderism article. (I wouldn't but as I said some object to TS being grouped with TG, GID, HBS, BBL, Non western ideas etc.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hfarmer (talkcontribs)
I really wish you would give me some explicit suggestions. This hit and run objecting is getting really really old. I have tried all kinds of dispute resolution. You will not mediate.... I don't know what to do. I really don't know what to do. --Hfarmer (talk) 16:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-19T16:16:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-02-19T16:16:00.000Z-Jokestress-2009-02-18T17:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hfarmer-2009-02-19T16:26:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-19T16:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
"However, repeatedly adding the tag is not to be used as a means of bypassing consensus or dispute resolution. If your sole contribution to an article is to repeatedly add or remove the tag, chances are high that you are abusing your "right" to use the tag." [1]:::::"However, repeatedly adding the tag is not to be used as a means of bypassing consensus or dispute resolution. If your sole contribution to an article is to repeatedly add or remove the tag, chances are high that you are abusing your "right" to use the tag." [2] Just felt you needed to be reminded of that. If you cannot suggest or even make changes to make the article less POV and will not negotiate you don't have a right to hold WP processes hostage. I remain undaunted, and if anything of harder resolve than ever, to create a truly neutral article which I realize is something you would never really like.--Hfarmer (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-19T16:26:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-02-19T16:26:00.000Z-Hfarmer-2009-02-19T16:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello, just to let you know I moved the image File:Jokestress2.jpg to Wikimedia Commons. This way, it can be used on other projects, for example if/when the article Andrea James exists on other Wikipedia projects in other languages, etc. Also, I created Category:Andrea James over at Wikimedia Commons, as there are multiple applicable free-use photos. Great userpage design, by the way. Cirt (talk) 05:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-27T05:01:00.000Z","author":"Cirt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cirt-2009-02-27T05:01:00.000Z-Image","replies":["c-Cirt-2009-02-27T23:00:00.000Z-Cirt-2009-02-27T05:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for your kind words about Bale Out. :) Cirt (talk) 23:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-27T23:00:00.000Z","author":"Cirt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cirt-2009-02-27T23:00:00.000Z-Cirt-2009-02-27T05:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Merger proposal: trans men/women attracted to men/women into gynephilia and androphilia.

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Finally something I'll bet we will wholeheartedly agree on. At Talk:Gynephilia_and_androphilia#Multi_Merge_discussion. Likely you will agree with me that would be a bad idea. In those articles we can cover certain aspects of transgender life which don't really belong in the articles about transsexuality (GID or whatever it'll be called in the next DSM if anything). There is more to them than just sexuality, transpeople face unique situations that straight or cisgendered homosexual people do not. There is even slightly different history on each group.

This may technically be canvassing but I am sure part of the proper merger proposal process would be ntification to the primary editors of the articles. I was not notified, I see you were not notified. So I am notifiying you. Maybe what they are proposing could work somehow....but I don't know how. Agree/disagree with my position I think you should know this issue has been raised. --Hfarmer (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-14T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-03-14T14:23:00.000Z-Merger_proposal:_trans_men\/women_attracted_to_men\/women_into_gynephilia_and_andr","replies":[]}}-->

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I've opened the official GA review. Please drop by at the talk page of homosexual transsexual. Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 18:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-16T18:38:00.000Z","author":"Wandalstouring","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-16T18:38:00.000Z-homosexual_transsexual","replies":["c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-17T10:45:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-16T18:38:00.000Z","c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-17T14:09:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-16T18:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

A GA review is done by one reviewer who wasn't involved in writing the article and doesn't have a WP:COI. You can comment the proposals in my GA review, but you can't hijack it for your own review Jokestress. Wandalstouring (talk) 10:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-17T10:45:00.000Z","author":"Wandalstouring","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-17T10:45:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-16T18:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Talk:Homosexual transsexual/GA3#Content disputes was created for you to voice your concerns about the article's content providing a source for each claim. Everything without a source will be dismissed. Wandalstouring (talk) 14:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-17T14:09:00.000Z","author":"Wandalstouring","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-17T14:09:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-16T18:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-18T17:36:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-17T14:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
Could you rewrite Homosexual transsexual#Criticsm of the term. The new title allows to have sections dedicated to the victims who perceive themselves as heterosexuals and diverse scientific communities like sexologists, psychologists and the like. The article starts about the introduction of the term and goes on with the results of research conducted with this definition. This structure allows to cover both if the term is archaic or there's an ongoing debatte. I'll take care that the different scientific works on the field are dated and would advise you to provide as well dates in your criticsm section if they allow to show any development in time. Wandalstouring (talk) 17:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-18T17:36:00.000Z","author":"Wandalstouring","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-18T17:36:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-17T14:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-19T08:42:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-18T17:36:00.000Z"]}}-->
Please reduce the amount of direct quotes per WP:Quotes. Wandalstouring (talk) 08:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-19T08:42:00.000Z","author":"Wandalstouring","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-19T08:42:00.000Z-Wandalstouring-2009-03-18T17:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Thanks for the star! It's fun to create a new and important page on Wikipedia. Wikipedia's gotten so big that it often feels like there's no room left for new articles, unless they're on things that aren't really that important... but Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles reminds me that it ain't so. I hope I run into you more often! All the best, – Quadell (talk) 16:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-21T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Quadell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quadell-2009-03-21T16:46:00.000Z-Bios","replies":["c-Quadell-2009-03-29T04:38:00.000Z-Quadell-2009-03-21T16:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

I just finished up James Lawrence Fly, from the missing bios. I'm rather proud of the article I whipped up! :) – Quadell (talk) 04:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-29T04:38:00.000Z","author":"Quadell","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Quadell-2009-03-29T04:38:00.000Z-Quadell-2009-03-21T16:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Annie Turner Wittenmyer

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Thank you for creating this article! I had thought about doing it a while ago, but never got around to it. Looking at all your other creations and edits, you truly are a great asset to Wikipedia! Keep up the good work!! CTJF83Talk 18:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-21T18:20:00.000Z","author":"Ctjf83","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T18:20:00.000Z-Annie_Turner_Wittenmyer","replies":["c-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T18:51:00.000Z-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T18:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

LOL, I have no idea what that is (no article on it either), clearly before my time, lol. BTW, I'm not sure why I just removed the library, instead of saying it formerly housed the library, like you did. Well thank you again, and keep up the good work! CTJF83Talk 18:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-21T18:51:00.000Z","author":"Ctjf83","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T18:51:00.000Z-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T18:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T19:08:00.000Z-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T18:51:00.000Z"]}}-->
HAHA, looks like a good show! You could start an article about the show too! There is a lot of info on the site you gave me. CTJF83Talk 19:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-21T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Ctjf83","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T19:08:00.000Z-Ctjf83-2009-03-21T18:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Are you satisfied with the current article structure and content or do you intend to make changes to it. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-25T12:08:00.000Z","author":"Wandalstouring","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wandalstouring-2009-03-25T12:08:00.000Z-homosexual_transsexual_2","replies":[]}}-->

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OII and COI

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Your editing of the OII page is a gross mishandling of your COI. I have reported the situation at AN/I.— James Cantor (talk) 23:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-02T23:03:00.000Z","author":"James Cantor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-James_Cantor-2009-04-02T23:03:00.000Z-OII_and_COI","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014 James Cantor"}}-->

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Just to let you know

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There is a thread concerning you at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#COI_edits_by_user:Jokestress_putting_WP_at_potential_legal_risk I am uninvolved in whatever dispute this is about. I thought it was only courteous to lt you know about it. Tonywalton Talk 23:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-02T23:21:00.000Z","author":"Tonywalton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tonywalton-2009-04-02T23:21:00.000Z-Just_to_let_you_know","replies":[]}}-->

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Speedy deletion of Ngati Kuri

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A tag has been placed on Ngati Kuri, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

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Speedy delete

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?

I must have missed something, my bad. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 00:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-04T00:36:00.000Z","author":"R3ap3R.inc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-R3ap3R.inc-2009-04-04T00:36:00.000Z-Speedy_delete","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi there.

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Just wanted to compliment you on your userpage, great design. You may want to consider adding your photo to Wikipedia:Facebook, a collection of photos of Wikipedians. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 21:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-04T21:53:00.000Z","author":"OlEnglish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-OlEnglish-2009-04-04T21:53:00.000Z-Hi_there.","replies":[]}}-->

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DYK for James Lawrence Fly

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Updated DYK query On 6 April, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Lawrence Fly, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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An award

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The Articles for Creation Barnstar
For your terrific work creating new important articles (Frederick Perry Fish, Abdul Khalek Hassouna, Charles Kuhl, Isma'il Sidqi, etc.) and improving many other new ones, I award you this snazzy barnstar! – Quadell (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-13T16:58:00.000Z","author":"Quadell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quadell-2009-04-13T16:58:00.000Z-An_award","replies":[]}}-->
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Request for comment

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Talk:Homosexual_transsexual#Homosexual_transsexual_.22Used_in_psychology.22.3F If you can spare the time could you please give your input on this request for comment. The issue is is homosexual transsexual used in psychology. I know you would like it written that it is used hardly at all or by a small clique. This late comer to the party...would like it written that it is not used at all. By anyone, anywhere.--Hfarmer (talk) 03:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-14T03:20:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-04-14T03:20:00.000Z-Request_for_comment","replies":[]}}-->

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Your photo

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You look good in your new photo. Relaxed and open.--Hfarmer (talk) 23:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-18T23:38:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-04-18T23:38:00.000Z-Your_photo","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Jokestress! I appreciate your assistance and welcome and will definitely ask you if I have any problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonkhalant (talkcontribs) 22:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-19T22:43:00.000Z","author":"Nonkhalant","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nonkhalant-2009-04-19T22:43:00.000Z-Your_photo","replies":[]}}-->

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I am forced to report this conduct...

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...to the administrators notice board. Don't know what they will or could do? Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#The_faith_and_constructiveness_of_an_editors_edit.27s_in_one_subject_area:_Jokestress_re_homosexual_transsexual_etc.When I first read that I did think...I want to see that in context before I do anything... instead I trusted you. I trusted that you would not do something so blatant tha anyone with a free afteroon could check at a library. As it turs out google books would suffice. I have never really not liked you (look at those message logs you have and see that I actually defended you there at times). You do cool things, make movies, and fight for our collective rights. But there is a line. Telling me a bold faced lie is it! --Hfarmer (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-23T00:16:00.000Z","author":"Hfarmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hfarmer-2009-04-23T00:16:00.000Z-I_am_forced_to_report_this_conduct...","replies":[]}}-->

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Gangbusters

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Jokestress, you are a one-woman article-creating machine! Thanks for your remarkable effort, and congrats on getting them finished up! – Quadell (talk) 20:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-23T20:32:00.000Z","author":"Quadell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quadell-2009-04-23T20:32:00.000Z-Gangbusters","replies":[]}}-->
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WikiBirthday

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I saw from here that it's been exactly five years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-25T00:46:00.000Z","author":"Rjanag","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rjanag-2009-04-25T00:46:00.000Z-WikiBirthday","replies":[],"displayName":"r\u02a8ana\u0262"}}-->

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Thank You

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Thank you for your help. Can you help me further and tell me how you did that so I won't have to ask again? ThanksHellinaBucket (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-06T04:58:00.000Z","author":"HellinaBucket","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HellinaBucket-2009-05-06T04:58:00.000Z-Thank_You","replies":[]}}-->

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Dear Andrea

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I'd just like to congratulate you on your patience. Putting up with the sort of creatures like James Cantor, his POV-pushing edits, dishonesty, and the unending aggressiveness (testosterone-fuelled, maybe?... gay men still do have testosterone, which is a shame), and still continuing to edit yourself, I say that is a great act of courage.

I bow before you, madam. Please continue. 87.196.100.168 (talk) 01:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-22T01:27:00.000Z","author":"87.196.100.168","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-87.196.100.168-2009-05-22T01:27:00.000Z-Dear_Andrea","replies":[]}}-->

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Heads up

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First, great work on the Stanford archive. It's nice to have someone else to share the work with. Second, FYI, I recently deleted one of your redirects:Metro v FCC. The purpose (of processing the archive) is to create articles where we should have them, and redirects for aliases of articles that we already have. Supreme Court cases, IMO, are all sufficiently notable to have articles. That's why I restored it -- in this case, it's better to have a red link that's on the list (e.g, that we know needs an article) than a blue link to a related article. Raul654 (talk) 05:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-07T05:23:00.000Z","author":"Raul654","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Raul654-2009-06-07T05:23:00.000Z-Heads_up","replies":[]}}-->

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Proposed deletion of Farhad Manjoo

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Seems like a marginal author and journalist. Not enough reliable sources to establish his independent notability.

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Articles for deletion nomination of Farhad Manjoo

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Polaner

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Cute stub. Bearian (talk) 17:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-23T17:59:00.000Z","author":"Bearian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bearian-2009-06-23T17:59:00.000Z-Polaner","replies":[]}}-->

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Invitation

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I saw your passionate arguments at Co-Ed Fever (film) and thought you maybe interested in the ARS.

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Thanks

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Thank you for the barnstar - I noticed that you were the one who started the DNRO page. Did you/Do you have a connection to the organization? TDRSS (talk) 02:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-18T02:34:00.000Z","author":"Tdrss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tdrss-2009-09-18T02:34:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":[]}}-->

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Harry Benjamin's Syndrome

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Hello Jokestress, thanks for your welcome; anyway, I think my article can meet the criteria you have told me, because if you write "Harry Benjamin's Syndrome" on google you will get many results with such Terminology, so I don't see why it should be erased, since a mere redirection to transsexualism conceals such a term, and the biggest Encyclopeadia in the world, which is supposed to gather all the present knowledge in the world can't afford to miss such a term. So, please, I'd thank you to restore my article as soon as possible. Best regards, Marta314 (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-21T16:51:00.000Z","author":"Marta314","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marta314-2009-09-21T16:51:00.000Z-Harry_Benjamin's_Syndrome","replies":[]}}-->

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ANI

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Hi Jokestress, I've started an ANI thread on User:CharlotteGoiar's wiki-crusading, here. I should warn you, though, that you may also face heat for it—I don't know much about your editing history and I never did much in this area of the encyclopedia until yesterday, but I did notice User:DGG saying he thought you were crusading as well (he later apparently redacted it), and if CharlotteGoiar gets punished for doing it then you might end up facing sanctions as well...of course, I personally don't know anything about that, I'm just going from comments I've seen in the deletion discussions, of which DGG is the only well-established account that I've noticed there. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-22T14:44:00.000Z","author":"Rjanag","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rjanag-2009-09-22T14:44:00.000Z-ANI","replies":[],"displayName":"r\u02a8ana\u0262"}}-->

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3rd warning of your violation of BLP

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This is my third request that you strikeout your false assertion that Ray Blanchard is my boss. He is not my boss, and your asserting that he is in order to discredit POVs you disagree with violates both WP:BLP and WP:NPA.
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A tag has been placed on Nick Counter requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Cathardic (talk) 18:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-07T18:19:00.000Z","author":"Cathardic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cathardic-2009-11-07T18:19:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Nick_Counter","replies":["c-Eastmain-2009-11-07T18:23:00.000Z-Cathardic-2009-11-07T18:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

  • I removed the speedy that Cathardic (talk) added to Nick Counter. The person's notability seems clear to me. -- Eastmain (talk) 18:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-07T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Eastmain","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Eastmain-2009-11-07T18:23:00.000Z-Cathardic-2009-11-07T18:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

My bad, there's been a ton of vanicruft articles this morning, and I didn't realize his association was so big. So many lawyers are "head" or "president" of some tiny firms that I assumed most are. Cathardic (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-07T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Cathardic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cathardic-2009-11-07T18:29:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Nick_Counter","replies":[]}}-->

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LaSalle Extension University vs. La Salle Extension University

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I don't think there's a space between "La" and "Salle", the way the school styled it. I realize you moved the page 3 years ago and may not recall the details, but I think we should get this right, as User talk:LEU Truth Squad pointed this out to me today. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots23:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-09T23:37:00.000Z","author":"Baseball Bugs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-09T23:37:00.000Z-LaSalle_Extension_University_vs._La_Salle_Extension_University","replies":["c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-09T23:53:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-09T23:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

I can see what part of the problem is - the school itself styled it both ways, as these three reproductions of ads show: [3][4][5] That probably gets us into the realm of what the company's "legal name" was. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots23:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-09T23:53:00.000Z","author":"Baseball Bugs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-09T23:53:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-09T23:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T00:54:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-09T23:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
What is the name of the Louisiana school you referred to? LaSalle redirects to La Salle. I propose changing it back to LaSalle, unless you've got strong objections. One thing I noticed is that it seems like they were more apt to put a space there when it was all caps - but they were not consistent with that, either. However, when they were just typing text for the ad, it seems to be "LaSalle" pretty consistently. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots00:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-10T00:54:00.000Z","author":"Baseball Bugs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T00:54:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-09T23:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T01:32:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T00:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
I see. La Salle University vs. LaSalle Extension University. Yes, it should be made clear they are not the same, although if they are both defunct it's not too big of an issue. Any objections to my renaming the article back to "LaSalle"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots01:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-10T01:32:00.000Z","author":"Baseball Bugs","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T01:32:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T00:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T01:34:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T01:32:00.000Z"]}}-->
And I see there are a bunch of these, the main one now being La Salle University, which is a legitimate and active school. This is kind of like the various Wesleyan Universities, perhaps. Too popular of a name, too much confusion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots01:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-10T01:34:00.000Z","author":"Baseball Bugs","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T01:34:00.000Z-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T01:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

In looking some at the article, you're right, the title is the least of its problems. It looks like someone told a group of half a dozen high-schoolers, "each of you write something on this subject", and then they took all of the results and threw them in without editing. It seems to start over 2 or 3 times, and contradicts itself. Not likely to be today's featured article. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots03:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-10T03:09:00.000Z","author":"Baseball Bugs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-10T03:09:00.000Z-LaSalle_Extension_University_vs._La_Salle_Extension_University","replies":[]}}-->

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Dear Jokestress, thank you for your edits to user:Paradoctor/BabelBoxCommons and Template:User edit, which I just reverted. I understand your desire to promote gender-neutral language on Wikipedia, and support it. Regrettably, your edits did not further that end, and they conflict with your own goal of changing "Wikipedia only when no knowledge would be lost as a result". Userboxes are used for self-identification. If gender-specific information is removed, information about the users transcluding the template is lost. This problem is compounded by the fact that template changes are not automatically announced to their users, meaning that most would only notice after considerable time. You can achieve these changes without breaking existing usage by either creating variants, or by parametrizing the template in question appropriately, and notifying the users. Regards, Paradoctor (talk) 00:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-13T00:45:00.000Z","author":"Paradoctor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paradoctor-2009-11-13T00:45:00.000Z-Removal_of_\"sexist_language\"","replies":[]}}-->

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As an Under Secretary for Education for Post Secondary Education, I have followed this online discussion with curiosity and interest since it was brought to my attention. Having a family member who graduated from La Salle, I am particularly distressed to see some folks make disparaging remarks about the institution that provided educational opportunities from 1908 until 2000. Although, La Salle underwent many changes and confronted many critics and obstacles it was a true pioneer in distance learning - well ahead of its time. I believe that you only have part of its history and story- up to the closing of the law school. ```` —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|Dmadzelanedgov (talk) comment added by Dmadzelanedgov (talkcontribs) 06:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-26T06:22:00.000Z","author":"Dmadzelanedgov","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dmadzelanedgov-2009-11-26T06:22:00.000Z-La_Salle","replies":[]}}-->

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La Salle Extension University

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As an Under Secretary of Education for Post Secondary Education, I did provide reference sources for the changes that I made. I am not certain why you continue to undo them. Your changes are not only inaccurate but present an incomplete history and representation of La Salle Extension University. La Salle Extension University's history continued beyond the closure of its law school and diploma programs. La Salle extension University also operated in other states, outside of Chicago, Illinois.

I am particularly offended by LEU Truth Squad who has described La Salle Extension University as a "diploma mill" and has made many erroneous statements about La Salle, for what seems motivated by a vendetta against an unnamed enemy. Wikipedia is not an appropriate forum for this type of ranting and behavior against another individual. It should be reported. LEU Truth Squad is dragging Wikipedia and its editing users into a personal agenda replete with many potential land mines. The focus should be on La Salle Extension University. DmadzelanedgovDmadzelanedgov (talk) 02:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-28T02:21:00.000Z","author":"Dmadzelanedgov","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dmadzelanedgov-2009-11-28T02:21:00.000Z-La_Salle_Extension_University","replies":[]}}-->

I believe that the US Department of Education as an agency of the US Government and the same agency that determines eligibility for federal student aid programs is an authoritative source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmadzelanedgov (talkcontribs) 04:17, 28 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-28T04:17:00.000Z","author":"Dmadzelanedgov","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dmadzelanedgov-2009-11-28T04:17:00.000Z-La_Salle_Extension_University","replies":[]}}-->

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There seems to be an endless loop of reversions going on in the La Salle Extension University article, and I have raised this matter on WP:ANI, if you want to comment there. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots20:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-28T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Baseball Bugs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Baseball_Bugs-2009-11-28T20:04:00.000Z-WP:ANI","replies":[]}}-->

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