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The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Screw that one edit-war block you had. You didn't deserve it, but you were strong about it. Your a great editor with a great ethic. Keep it up. Good luck. WorldTraveller10119:07, 12 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-12T19:07:00.000Z","author":"WorldTraveller101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WorldTraveller101-2013-05-12T19:07:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T21:10:00.000Z-WorldTraveller101-2013-05-12T19:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"World"}}-->
What a surprise! Thank you very much.--JetstreamerTalk21:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-12T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T21:10:00.000Z-WorldTraveller101-2013-05-12T19:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-WorldTraveller101-2013-05-12T21:57:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T21:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
Surprise? You didn't know you were a constructive editor? Anyway, yes, your welcome. Enjoy. WorldTraveller10121:57, 12 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-12T21:57:00.000Z","author":"WorldTraveller101","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WorldTraveller101-2013-05-12T21:57:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T21:10:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"World"}}-->
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I added Kathmandu flights, as it is officially declared and timetables given at turkish airlines website, it can also be googled as some publications mentioned it. I also gave the reference. Please take notice, and reinsert it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgokoluk (talk • contribs) 21:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-18T21:29:00.000Z","author":"Sgokoluk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sgokoluk-2013-05-18T21:29:00.000Z-tk_to_kathmandu","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-18T21:31:00.000Z-Sgokoluk-2013-05-18T21:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
Reinsert it? I did not remove that destination from the list. BTW, the reference you provided is incomplete.--JetstreamerTalk21:31, 18 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-18T21:31:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-18T21:31:00.000Z-Sgokoluk-2013-05-18T21:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Fixed.--JetstreamerTalk00:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-20T00:23:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-20T00:23:00.000Z-DPL_bot-2013-05-19T23:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hello Jetstream, you've removed the used airplanes of the Surinaamse Luchtvaart Maatschappij, Surinam Airways, which i had added because there was no reliable source added. The problem is I don't know how to add a book like: "Flying on trusted wings" ISBN10: 9460222153 / ISBN13: 9789460222153 to the article as a kind of reference or the site http://landewers.net/PZ.TXT with the Surinamese aircraft registrations of all time. Maybe you can help me out? Thank you Nardisoero 03:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the article's talk page regarding your recent edits to the page. Please continue the discussion there so everyone interested in the article can participate. Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk12:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-20T12:10:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-20T12:10:00.000Z-Surinam_Airways_retired_fleet","replies":[]}}-->
I need some help on how to upload images related to aviation. I want to know how you upload images like this to wikipedia from websites such as Airliners.net
Thanks — Ahnaaf (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-12T15:53:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-05-12T15:53:00.000Z-Uploading_images","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T22:10:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-05-12T15:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
Not all the images at www.airliners.net can be uploaded, just the ones the author has acknowledged for someone else to do so. Once you have identified them, you may proceed to the upload process at WP:COMMONS. Are you having any particular image in mind?--JetstreamerTalk22:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-12T22:10:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T22:10:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-05-12T15:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ahnaaf-2013-05-13T11:29:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T22:10:00.000Z","c-Ahnaaf-2013-05-22T10:37:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T22:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
It would be great if you uploaded this pictures: (Biman 777-300ER, another Biman 777-300ER, NovoAir Embraer). Thanks! — Ahnaaf (talk) 11:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-13T11:29:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-05-13T11:29:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T22:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Have you uploaded them? Ahnaaf (talk) 10:37, 22 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-22T10:37:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-05-22T10:37:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-12T22:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-22T21:09:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-05-22T10:37:00.000Z"]}}-->
No, I haven't. The authors of those images have not acknowledged their images to be uploaded to Commons, i.e. there are not valid licenses to upload them.--JetstreamerTalk21:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-22T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-22T21:09:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-05-22T10:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.249.247.145 (talk) 22:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-21T22:24:00.000Z","author":"197.249.247.145","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-197.249.247.145-2013-05-21T22:24:00.000Z-Mozambique_Airlines_fleet","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-21T22:29:00.000Z-197.249.247.145-2013-05-21T22:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
Where's the source?--JetstreamerTalk22:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-21T22:29:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-21T22:29:00.000Z-197.249.247.145-2013-05-21T22:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hello, Jetstreamer. You have new messages at Nardisoero's talk page. Message added 23:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-21T23:25:00.000Z","author":"Nardisoero","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nardisoero-2013-05-21T23:25:00.000Z-Talkback","replies":[]}}-->
Hello Jetstream, i'm not sure what exactly you are waiting for from me, but as a new contributor to Wikipedia I will first contact the helpdesk about these reference issues, I've already contacted the Surinam Airways people today to make sure about any copyright violation. For now I will stop contributing, despite the fact that I have loads of unpublished historical data about my country, of which you may have the right to question if there is not any "reliable" reference yet on the internet. All this data is from way before the digital time we now live in and for a country as Suriname likely to be lost forever...Sorry I'm not so familiar with how the Wikipedia talk page works. I can also always be contacted at nardi_sbb@hotmail.com. Yours sincerely. (22:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC))
Ok, I can now figure out that the problem here is not that you're adding unsourced info, but that you are introducing content that is backed up by sources published in paper (by contrast to online sources), and you are not including the proper references. Please let me know if I'm right about this. If I am, you must know that, as per WP:SOURCE, references published in paper are as valid as online ones, as long as you provide as much information about them as you can, so anyone can access them. Maybe we can finally cooperate to each other to expand Surinam Airways...--JetstreamerTalk22:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-22T22:49:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-22T22:49:00.000Z-Talkback","replies":["c-Nardisoero-2013-05-23T01:28:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-22T22:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes you are right Jetstreamer. Sounds like a great plan, love to cooperate. Tomorrow I have scheduled phone calls to the editors, publisher and writer of some of these published books about copyrights etc. Already have had mailcontact. I can use any help on how to expand only truthful aviation info on Wikipedia based on facts. It might take me some time to gather all the freedoms on pictures, the valid info and to study what exactly the Wiki procedures are on new material. Thanks in advance for your moderator skills & patience. Talk 01:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)(Nardisoero (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-23T01:28:00.000Z","author":"Nardisoero","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nardisoero-2013-05-23T01:28:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-22T22:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hello everyone. This time I'm contacting you regarding an issue that has been around at Surinam Airways for some time, where an IP editor keeps modifying the fleet table disregarding the supporting reference, and not providing edit summaries. S(he) hasn't replied to my comments as well. The matter is bordering warring the way I see it. I've recently requested protection for the page and did not revert their last edit until the outcome at WP:RPP. As you might guess, it was denied. The admin that denied the request suggested to report the IP editor at WP:AIV, but I feel that that won't work since their edits come from a dynamic IP, and s(he) will rapidly switch from one IP to another. Let me add that all the edits in question made by IP editors seem to have been done on behalf of Nardisoero (talk·contribs) —actually, I've tagged one of these IPs as a possible sockpuppetry case— with whom I have communicated many times in the lats days, yet I barely got comments/answers from. For the time being, the only way I see to solve the issues in the article is fully-protecting it again. Nevertheless, all this stuff is not restricted to the aforementioned article: you may take a look at Oelemari Airport's talk page. Hope I've been clear enough to put in words the situation. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.--JetstreamerTalk23:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-28T23:26:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-28T23:26:00.000Z-Surinam_Airways","replies":["c-Nardisoero-2013-05-28T23:45:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-28T23:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hello Jetstreamer, you are completely wrong in all of your accusations. I might not be a whizzkid like yourself, but when i submit anything on wikipedia I do this on a 100 percent trustworthy and honest way. I may not be aware of all the rules you want to enforce on me, but my edits are to expand articles about the aviation of my country, where I'm an expert in and I have enough proof of matters of the past. So I hope you stop your personal campaign against me. Yours sincerely.(Nardisoero (talk) 23:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-28T23:45:00.000Z","author":"Nardisoero","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nardisoero-2013-05-28T23:45:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-05-28T23:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-28T23:51:00.000Z-Nardisoero-2013-05-28T23:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hello again, I'm glad to read this from you. This is not a campaign against nobody, please do not misinterpret me. If I offended you in any way, please accept my apologies. It's just that you did not respond. I've withdrawn the help request. Can we have a more cooperative relationship regarding Surinam Airways?--JetstreamerTalk23:51, 28 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-28T23:51:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-05-28T23:51:00.000Z-Nardisoero-2013-05-28T23:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello everyone. Regarding the above, I see no other choice than asking for protection again. The discussion with this user has stalled, and no actions have been taken on their part other than keeping reverting without explanations. Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk13:38, 1 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-01T13:38:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T13:38:00.000Z-Surinam_Airways","replies":[]}}-->
Ah thanks. I usually sign things and its the rare occasion that i don't.Curb Chain (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-31T23:31:00.000Z","author":"Curb Chain","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Curb_Chain-2013-05-31T23:31:00.000Z-Tip","replies":[]}}-->
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New Turkish Airlines destination to Mazar-i-Sharif
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Hello,
My change to the Turkish Airlines destinations site adding Mazar-i-Sharif was removed with the explanation that the source that I gave was not reliable, but it's the same source that there is on the Mazar-i-Sharif Airport site stating that Istanbul is going to be a destination from there. I added it again, since I think it's a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.59.220 (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-01T15:44:00.000Z","author":"217.129.59.220","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-217.129.59.220-2013-06-01T15:44:00.000Z-New_Turkish_Airlines_destination_to_Mazar-i-Sharif","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:48:00.000Z-217.129.59.220-2013-06-01T15:44:00.000Z"]}}-->
It is not what you think, but what the community says about reliable sources. The reliability of airlineroute.net has been been thoroughly discussed at WT:AIRLINES, and at least is in doubt. I've removed your addition again. You've been warned twice. Another reinstation of the same content with the same source will make your behaviour disruptive.--JetstreamerTalk15:48, 1 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-01T15:48:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:48:00.000Z-217.129.59.220-2013-06-01T15:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:59:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
FYI, at the bottom of the airlineroute.net frontpage you can read
All material is copyright of UBM Aviation Routes. Although the best efforts have been taken in collecting and checking the material we can not and do not warrant that the information contained in this product is complete or accurate and does not assume and hereby disclaims liability to any person for any loss of damage caused by errors or omissions.
Clearly, the material hosted there cannot be considered accurate. Wait for an official Turkish Airlines press release for confirmation.--JetstreamerTalk15:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-01T15:59:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:59:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T17:04:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
Given the fact that the search phrase "airlineroute.net" gives 155 results in Wikipedia, one can argue that this website is indeed considered a reliable source, per WP:EDITCONSENSUS. Besides, the Mazar-i Sharif flights of Turkish Airlines have already been loaded into various flight booking engines. The service will be launched on 15 June 2013, flights depart Istanbul on Wednesdays and Sundays at 00:10, and arrive at Mazar i-Sharif at 06:15, with the return flight hours being 08:00-11:55.--FoxyOrange (talk) 17:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-01T17:04:00.000Z","author":"FoxyOrange","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T17:04:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T15:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T17:27:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T17:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm pretty sure those additions you refer to were made by IPs in most of the cases. Actually, there was no consensus regarding the use of airlineroute.net as a reliable source in the last discussion, so its reliability is still in doubt. The rest of the information you provide me with is great, but we need a reliable source to verify this. Turkish Airlines has not released an official statement regarding the commencement of such flights. Don't you think it's time to raise the matter of reliability for this source again?--JetstreamerTalk17:27, 1 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-01T17:27:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T17:27:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T17:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T18:07:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T17:27:00.000Z"]}}-->
Feel free to re-open the discussion; I guess it would be best to post your concerns at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard (as it was suggested upon closure of the last discussion). But personally, I do not really care, as I have largely retired from editing airlines&destinations lists (I have issues with WP:NTEMP, because discontinued destinations are just removed, but that's a totally different matter).--FoxyOrange (talk) 18:07, 1 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-01T18:07:00.000Z","author":"FoxyOrange","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T18:07:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-01T17:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-217.129.59.220-2013-06-02T02:59:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T18:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm sorry if my behaviour was perceived as disruptive, but I'm quite new here in editing in Wikipedia and I still don't know well those precise rules. But besides the source I gave, I consulted other sources as well and I even confirmed that in another site I would have been able to buy a ticket from Istanbul to Mazar-i-Sharif, in a direct flight of Turkish Airlines. Anyway, I'll confirm better the rules about sources reliability in a next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.59.220 (talk) 02:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-02T02:59:00.000Z","author":"217.129.59.220","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-217.129.59.220-2013-06-02T02:59:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-06-01T18:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-03T00:27:00.000Z-217.129.59.220-2013-06-02T02:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
Not to worry. I'll try to find a reliable source for the entry. In the meantime, I'll be at the article's talk page the removal of this entry unless a reliable source is provided. Verifiability is a policy that is tied to a reliable source. I'm sure we'll have a press release from the airline soon.--JetstreamerTalk00:27, 3 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-03T00:27:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-03T00:27:00.000Z-217.129.59.220-2013-06-02T02:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello Wikifellas! I intended to AfD the article, but I made up my mind and decided to gather some comments regarding the matter. It's clear that the page cannot stay here in its current version. Any thoughts? Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk11:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-06T11:58:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-06T11:58:00.000Z-Question_regarding_Induction_motors_modelling_in_ABC_reference_of_frame","replies":["c-Yunshui-2013-06-06T12:10:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-06T11:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
Looks like Jim had some thoughts; he's deleted the page. I guess that renders the question above somewhat moot... Yunshui雲水12:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-06T12:10:00.000Z","author":"Yunshui","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yunshui-2013-06-06T12:10:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-06T11:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-06T12:32:00.000Z-Yunshui-2013-06-06T12:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
Indeed. Anyway, thanks for your response.--JetstreamerTalk12:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-06T12:32:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-06T12:32:00.000Z-Yunshui-2013-06-06T12:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
hie i have edited the removed fleet list of air zimbabwe because i have noticed there is a mistake on their current boeing 762s..Air Zimbabwe only got 2 767s not 3 as listed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.252.153 (talk) 20:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-07T20:16:00.000Z","author":"86.152.252.153","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-86.152.252.153-2013-06-07T20:16:00.000Z-air_fleet_list","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-07T20:30:00.000Z-86.152.252.153-2013-06-07T20:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
WP:VNT.--JetstreamerTalk20:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-07T20:30:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-07T20:30:00.000Z-86.152.252.153-2013-06-07T20:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello, Jetstreamer. You have new messages at Talk:Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. Message added 13:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
You have made great contributions to airport articles, so why not help me out and make this article a B-class. It almost has it, but it needs a little bit more citations and references. Thanks. WorldTraveller101BreaksFixes13:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-09T13:18:00.000Z","author":"WorldTraveller101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WorldTraveller101-2013-06-09T13:18:00.000Z-Talkback_2","replies":[]}}-->
This [|video] was showing either Aeorflot subject that showing their planes standing, running and maintenance facts. But also this video was taken place at major international airport so this video can fit as many as pages as its factual value fits. This video is factual recording of events and real objects in the life so any factual recording must be used as wider as possible to educate people. Orgio89 (talk) 04:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-10T04:02:00.000Z","author":"Orgio89","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Orgio89-2013-06-10T04:02:00.000Z-Aeroflot_video","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-10T10:25:00.000Z-Orgio89-2013-06-10T04:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
Let's put things the way they actually are: you include the video in the article because you are the author of it, not because it has any encyclopedic value. If you want such media to stay in the article, check at least its caption. It's "Aeroflot", and not "Aerflot". This in an encyclopedia, not a blog.--JetstreamerTalk10:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-10T10:25:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-10T10:25:00.000Z-Orgio89-2013-06-10T04:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thanks I didn't know that! Snoozlepet (talk) 21:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-19T21:50:00.000Z","author":"Snoozlepet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Snoozlepet-2013-06-19T21:50:00.000Z-Re:Ethiopian_Airlines","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-19T21:53:00.000Z-Snoozlepet-2013-06-19T21:50:00.000Z"]}}-->
My pleasure.--JetstreamerTalk21:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-19T21:53:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-19T21:53:00.000Z-Snoozlepet-2013-06-19T21:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Snoozlepet-2013-06-20T18:23:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-19T21:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
Air Journal announced that ET will start service to Singapore (http://www.air-journal.fr/2013-06-20-ethiopian-airlines-atterrit-a-seoul-ajoute-singapour-576910.html) but I don't see a start date for it and the page is in French. It also says that Ho Chi Minh and Manila launch has been cancelled. I think that MNL and SGN can be removed but I don't know about the addition of SIN. Snoozlepet (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-20T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Snoozlepet","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Snoozlepet-2013-06-20T18:23:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-19T21:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T18:30:00.000Z-Snoozlepet-2013-06-20T18:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm removing SGN and MNL from the list of destinations. According to the source above, it seems he airline is starting services to SIN on 3 September. I will be adding this to the list of destinations as well. Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk18:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-20T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T18:30:00.000Z-Snoozlepet-2013-06-20T18:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Christophe Caïs — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHRISCAIS (talk • contribs) 17:09, 20 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-20T17:09:00.000Z","author":"CHRISCAIS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CHRISCAIS-2013-06-20T17:09:00.000Z-Airbus_Industrie_Flight_129","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T17:18:00.000Z-CHRISCAIS-2013-06-20T17:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for your message. It would have helped the article if you added the above references to it, prior or following your edit. I'll archive the above two references you mention.--JetstreamerTalk17:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-20T17:18:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T17:18:00.000Z-CHRISCAIS-2013-06-20T17:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T17:55:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T17:18:00.000Z"]}}-->
I've just noticed that the second reference was already in the article, in the ″External links″ section. IMHO, I don't think the first one adds much.--JetstreamerTalk17:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-20T17:55:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T17:55:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-20T17:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi - I was trying to find an aviation enthusiast and I stumbled across you. I was discussing the topic of Airports with some other Wikipedians on IRC and it reminded me that my grandfather used to own an Airport in California, USA. I googled it by the name I remembered it being, and couldn't find it. Would you happen to know of any resources I could go to, to find this airport that may have been demolished or renamed?--v/r - TP02:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-25T02:29:00.000Z","author":"TParis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TParis-2013-06-25T02:29:00.000Z-Looking_for_an_Airport","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-25T10:22:00.000Z-TParis-2013-06-25T02:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"T"}}-->
Hello TP. Two sites to start with are World Aero Data and Great Circle Mapper. The second one offer the possibility to search by city.--JetstreamerTalk10:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-25T10:22:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-25T10:22:00.000Z-TParis-2013-06-25T02:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Sure, no problem. I'm not plenty of time these days, but count me in. Do you have anything in mind?--JetstreamerTalk22:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-30T22:14:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-30T22:14:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-06-30T05:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-07-01T00:17:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-30T22:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
Air Zimbabwe operate 2 new Airbuse A320's and 2 Embraer ERJ 145's
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.184.47 (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-01T09:23:00.000Z","author":"80.229.184.47","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-80.229.184.47-2013-07-01T09:23:00.000Z-Air_Zimbabwe","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-01T11:16:00.000Z-80.229.184.47-2013-07-01T09:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
The source you provide is not reliable. I've updated the fleet table according to a new reliable reference.--JetstreamerTalk11:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-01T11:16:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-01T11:16:00.000Z-80.229.184.47-2013-07-01T09:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
I honestly have no idea about the DYK part. OhanaUnitedTalk page20:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-28T20:04:00.000Z","author":"OhanaUnited","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-OhanaUnited-2013-06-28T20:04:00.000Z-2007_Mogadishu_TransAVIAexport_Airlines_Il-76_crash","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-05T18:56:00.000Z-OhanaUnited-2013-06-28T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
I've asked Howcheng (talk·contribs).--JetstreamerTalk18:56, 5 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-05T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-05T18:56:00.000Z-OhanaUnited-2013-06-28T20:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
DYK for 2011 Silk Way Airlines Ilyushin Il-76 crash
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Hello. Why hasn't this review been copied at the corresponding talk page yet?--JetstreamerTalk00:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-07T00:27:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-07T00:27:00.000Z-GA_review_not_copied_yet","replies":["c-Diannaa-2013-07-07T01:21:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-07T00:27:00.000Z"]}}-->
The last one I did took twelve hours to transclude. I have transcluded it manually for you. -- Diannaa (talk) 01:21, 7 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-07T01:21:00.000Z","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-2013-07-07T01:21:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-07T00:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-07T01:24:00.000Z-Diannaa-2013-07-07T01:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
Many thanks, Diannaa.--JetstreamerTalk01:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-07T01:24:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-07T01:24:00.000Z-Diannaa-2013-07-07T01:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
I believe the IP range who edited the South African Airways destinations page is a sockpuppet of Jonathan Yip. I have reported all the IPs to admins and the source provided mentions nothing about the airline launching service to Miami and Los Angeles (the source actually says the airline launched service to PEK and that was about 2 years ago). Snoozlepet (talk) 05:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-07T05:47:00.000Z","author":"Snoozlepet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Snoozlepet-2013-07-07T05:47:00.000Z-Jonathan_Yip_sock","replies":[]}}-->
Hi, I just reviewed your GA nomination for the 2011 silkway airlines crash. There were a few problems, listed on the review page, that you will need to rectify to achieve GA status in future. Please consider carefully what I wrote there, and once you feel all points of concern have been addressed, you should renominate the article for another review. Thanks, ★★RetroLord★★13:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-07T13:32:00.000Z","author":"Retrolord","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Retrolord-2013-07-07T13:32:00.000Z-GA","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2605"}}-->
I was on the C-141B with Captain Place and witnessed the fireball so I know he wasn't the "sole eye witness." However, I understand your predicament. I guess I can't use "I was there" as a reliable source.
I'm glad to hear that you understand, it's not that I don't believe you, but WP:VERIFY should be followed. Please note that I've marked the entire paragraph you modified as not supported by the reference provided.--JetstreamerTalk18:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-08T18:14:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-08T18:14:00.000Z-Charkhi_Dadri_mid-air_collision","replies":[]}}-->
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His Highness the most excellent KING, Sir RETROLORD, hath granted ye a knighthood, as per your implied request in your comment on his most honourable talkpage. ★★RetroLord★★13:33, 9 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-09T13:33:00.000Z","author":"Retrolord","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Retrolord-2013-07-09T13:33:00.000Z-Knighthood","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2605"}}-->
Interpret that as how seriously I took your remark that you were an experienced editor. ★★RetroLord★★13:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-09T13:35:00.000Z","author":"Retrolord","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Retrolord-2013-07-09T13:35:00.000Z-Knighthood","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-09T13:37:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-09T13:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2605"}}-->
I didn't say that.--JetstreamerTalk13:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-09T13:37:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-09T13:37:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-09T13:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kudpung-2013-07-10T04:06:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-09T13:37:00.000Z"]}}-->
No, but 24,600 edits over 7 years and four GAs already says a lot :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T04:06:00.000Z","author":"Kudpung","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kudpung-2013-07-10T04:06:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-09T13:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Kudpung \u0e01\u0e38\u0e14\u0e1c\u0e36\u0e49\u0e07"}}-->
Now I know we didn't get off to the best start following your GAN, but I was wondering if you will be re-nominating it? I look forward to reading a good article some time in the future. ★★RetroLord★★15:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-09T15:42:00.000Z","author":"Retrolord","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Retrolord-2013-07-09T15:42:00.000Z-Hi","replies":["c-Retrolord-2013-07-10T10:17:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-09T15:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2605"}}-->
By the way, you may want to post your request for a third opinion on a more active WP:GA talkpage. You posted on one of the more inactive ones. Just letting you know so someone addresses your case faster. ★★RetroLord★★10:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T10:17:00.000Z","author":"Retrolord","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Retrolord-2013-07-10T10:17:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-09T15:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T10:19:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-10T10:17:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2605"}}-->
I'll take your comments into account and renominate.--JetstreamerTalk10:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T10:19:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T10:19:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-10T10:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
No, why I have to. I'm glad that you improved my detail.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Redakie (talk • contribs)
Cool.--JetstreamerTalk10:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T10:15:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T10:15:00.000Z-Aeroflot","replies":[]}}-->
In the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/NewFranco, you said three months is not enough. But in the Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates, it said "This should be done at least three months" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.44.225 (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-11T16:52:00.000Z","author":"174.95.44.225","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-174.95.44.225-2013-07-11T16:52:00.000Z-NewFranc","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-11T18:25:00.000Z-174.95.44.225-2013-07-11T16:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
Point 10 says "Examine your past and try to iron out any old differences. This should be done at least three months before the RfA. If the candidate has clearly demonstrated reform, minor issues dating back six months or so might be ignored while more serious issues even older than 12 months might be the reason(s) for opposition." It's the only place were where the three-month stuff appears.--JetstreamerTalk18:25, 11 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-11T18:25:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-11T18:25:00.000Z-174.95.44.225-2013-07-11T16:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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My pleasure. It's very frustrating to find articles with dead links. Given that Vietnam Airlines is a GA and it took you a lot of effort to get it to this status (you're the major contributor to it), the process of archiving is worthy. Thank you very much. It's good to be appreciated from time to time. Best wishes.--JetstreamerTalk12:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-12T12:34:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-12T12:34:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-07-12T06:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello. We've been through this countless times. I've left messages at the article's talk page regarding the unexplained modifications of the fleet table, with changes not in agreement with the supporting reference. Nobody responded to them. The article has been semi- and fully-protected, and pending changes have also been applied. Nothing worked. I still suspect the author of the IP changes is linked to Nardisoero (talk·contribs), so I even started a sockpuppet investigation. I'm now requiring assistance again as the article is once again vulnerable to this unexplained change. I'm really out of options to prevent these things to keep on happening. What else has to be done to prevent the violation of a basic policy? Thanks in advance.--JetstreamerTalk00:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-16T00:36:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T00:36:00.000Z-Surinam_Airways_again","replies":["c-Diannaa-2013-06-16T01:29:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T00:36:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have semi-protected the article for one month and will watch-list. We can continue to escalate the semi-protection until the unhelpful edits stop. This actually works, so please be patient. -- Dianna (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-16T01:29:00.000Z","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-2013-06-16T01:29:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T00:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T01:39:00.000Z-Diannaa-2013-06-16T01:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Dianna"}}-->
Ok, let's see if this works. Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk01:39, 16 June 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-16T01:39:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T01:39:00.000Z-Diannaa-2013-06-16T01:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-18T18:46:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T01:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi again Dianna. Semi-protection worked for a while, but once the article got unprotected, the IP user stroke again.--JetstreamerTalk18:46, 18 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-18T18:46:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-18T18:46:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T01:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Diannaa-2013-07-18T19:20:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-18T18:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi Jet-S! I have renewed the protection, 3 mos this time. Best, -- Diannaa (talk) 19:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-18T19:20:00.000Z","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Diannaa-2013-07-18T19:20:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-18T18:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello community! Does anyone know the way to make the same note to appear as a footnote just once?--JetstreamerTalk21:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T21:44:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T21:44:00.000Z-Needing_help_with_note-related_stuff","replies":["c-Nick-2013-07-10T21:53:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T21:44:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm not quite understanding, do you have an example you can provide or explain further ? Nick (talk) 21:53, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T21:53:00.000Z","author":"Nick","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nick-2013-07-10T21:53:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T21:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T21:57:00.000Z-Nick-2013-07-10T21:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes, sorry for not being clear enough. The note 1 in SkyTeam is excatly same as 2, 5 and 7. Is there any way to make note 1 to appear as 1 again rather than 2, as 1 again rather than 5, and as 1 again rather than 7?--JetstreamerTalk21:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T21:57:00.000Z-Nick-2013-07-10T21:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nick-2013-07-10T22:28:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T21:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
It's monstrously complicated, but replace {{#tag:ref|Founding member<ref name="SkyTeam history at a glance"/>|group="nb"}} with {{refn|name=first|group=nb|Founding member<ref name="SkyTeam history at a glance" />}} and then you can use {{refn|group=nb|name=first}} to repeat the reference giving you 1. ^ a b Founding member[86]
Hope that helps. There's more info at Template:Refn too. Nick (talk) 22:28, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T22:28:00.000Z","author":"Nick","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Nick-2013-07-10T22:28:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T21:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T23:09:00.000Z-Nick-2013-07-10T22:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
It doesn't seem that complicated. Will implement it soon. Thank you very much!--JetstreamerTalk23:09, 10 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-10T23:09:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T23:09:00.000Z-Nick-2013-07-10T22:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-12T19:21:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T23:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
Done. Thanks to Nick (talk·contribs) for this.--JetstreamerTalk19:21, 12 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-12T19:21:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-12T19:21:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-10T23:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hi Jetsreamer. Please refer to the this (http://www.biman-airlines.com/about/fleet) about the seating configuration, since I find the fleet table confusing to edit. And if you have a close look at the new website, you'll see a lot of information directly copy-pasted from the Wikipedia Biman page!
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We should also start moving the links from the old website to the newer website. -- Ahnaaf (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-19T17:26:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-19T17:26:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-18T17:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-19T17:49:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-19T17:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have visited the new website and updated the fleet table with the information reflected there. Thanks for pointing this out.--JetstreamerTalk17:49, 19 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-19T17:49:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-19T17:49:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-19T17:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-19T17:59:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-19T17:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks! I also corrected the fleet in the infobox.--Ahnaaf (talk) 17:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-19T17:59:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-19T17:59:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-19T17:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-19T22:32:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-19T17:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm in the process of reorganising some portions of the article, as information inluded there seems to be somewhat scattered. As I'll be constantly modifying its layout, I'll ask you to voice your opinion from time to time. Thanks for your interest in the page.--JetstreamerTalk22:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-19T22:32:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-19T22:32:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-19T17:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
I've got myself into a edit war on whether airlineroute.net should be used and have maxed out on 3RR. An editor keeps insisting on using those sources instead of the news articles over at Addis Ababa Bole International Airport, your contribution and assistance at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Addis_Ababa_Bole_International_Airport would be appreciated. Sb617 (Talk)23:48, 20 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-20T23:48:00.000Z","author":"Sb617","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sb617-2013-07-20T23:48:00.000Z-airlineroute.net","replies":[]}}-->
Please check the Biman talk page immediately. There is a very big mistake in the article. Thanks! -- Ahnaaf (talk) 09:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-21T09:23:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-21T09:23:00.000Z-Biman_737","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-21T20:16:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-21T09:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'll be checking this soon. Please note that I've reverted ([1], [2]) some of the edits you made to the article, basically the ones to the ″Subsidiaries″ section, as it's highly convenient to have every piece of information written in prose, rather than having bulleted items. I also removed a blog you introduced as a reference ([3]), as the use of this type of sources is discouraged. Separately, do you think it's convenient to have a red link for ″Biman Ground Handling″ in the infobox? Please let me know what you think. Regards.--JetstreamerTalk20:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-21T20:16:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-21T20:16:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-21T09:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T07:20:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-21T20:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi. I think the ground handling link should be in blue. The subsidiaries section should have some information about all the subsidiaries. Please see the Malaysia Airlines subsidiary section. It has a brief overview of all the subsidiaries, and a table. I think we should make a table like that in the Biman page. Biman Flight Catering Service and its ground handling division generates huge profits annually. But first please the Biman talk page, there is a very big error in the article. -- Ahnaaf (talk) 07:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-22T07:20:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T07:20:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-21T20:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T11:08:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T07:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thank you for correcting the article! -- Ahnaaf (talk) 11:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-22T11:08:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T11:08:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T07:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-22T11:17:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T11:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thank you, for pointing out the error.--JetstreamerTalk11:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-22T11:17:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-22T11:17:00.000Z-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Hi Jetstreamer! This is for your tireless contributions to the Biman Bangladesh Airlines page. Hope to keep working with you! Cheers. Ahnaaf (talk) 12:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-22T12:04:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-22T12:04:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_3","replies":[]}}-->
ALERT! ALERT! You have talkback at your complaint, its been moved to WT:GAN. ALERT! ALERT! ★★KING RETROLORD★★03:18, 23 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-23T03:18:00.000Z","author":"Retrolord","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Retrolord-2013-07-23T03:18:00.000Z-HERO_JETSTREAMER!","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-23T10:14:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-23T03:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"KING RETROLORD"}}-->
I know that. I've been watchlisting it since it was posted.--JetstreamerTalk10:14, 23 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-23T10:14:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-23T10:14:00.000Z-Retrolord-2013-07-23T03:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thank you for your barnstar. I am placing it in my user page. -- Ahnaaf (talk) 06:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-23T06:22:00.000Z","author":"Ahnaaf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ahnaaf-2013-07-23T06:22:00.000Z-Barnstar","replies":[],"displayName":"user page"}}-->
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According to ASN[4], From January 1 2013 through May of 2013 there have been 7 aviation incidents front landing gear or nosegear collapsing or breaking off and I put links to four of the incidents in the AFD. Not one of which has an article....William19:13, 23 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-23T19:13:00.000Z","author":"WilliamJE","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WilliamJE-2013-07-23T19:13:00.000Z-You_don't_even_need_my_link","replies":[],"displayName":"...William"}}-->
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Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.116.35.36 (talk) 07:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-25T07:25:00.000Z","author":"188.116.35.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-188.116.35.36-2013-07-25T07:25:00.000Z-Cubana_de_Aviaci\u00f3n","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-25T10:21:00.000Z-188.116.35.36-2013-07-25T07:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
You may edit as many articles as you want, but please remember to include citations whenever possible.--JetstreamerTalk10:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-25T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-25T10:21:00.000Z-188.116.35.36-2013-07-25T07:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hello. Is the justification for the changes made in this edit valid?
Thanks in advance.--JetstreamerTalk21:26, 25 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-25T21:26:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-25T21:26:00.000Z-Question_regarding_table_headings","replies":["c-Huon-2013-07-25T22:24:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-25T21:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
Looks valid to me. There's no need to use non-standard layout for that table. Huon (talk) 22:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-25T22:24:00.000Z","author":"Huon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Huon-2013-07-25T22:24:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-25T21:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-25T23:46:00.000Z-Huon-2013-07-25T22:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks Huon (talk·contribs). You're always present when I need some advice. By the way, congratulations for your recent adminship!--JetstreamerTalk23:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-25T23:46:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-25T23:46:00.000Z-Huon-2013-07-25T22:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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The Original Barnstar
Thank you for your great work on a number of airline articles like Libyan Airlines, Air Algérie and Air Zimbabwe, among others. It's great to see someone who puts such a huge effort in truly improving the overall quality Wikipedia content. I especially like your idea of archiving unused links on the respective talk pages. FoxyOrange (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T16:11:00.000Z","author":"FoxyOrange","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T16:11:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_4","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-30T17:19:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T16:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thank you very much. We had some differences in the past (and surely will in the future), but feels nice to be appreciated.--JetstreamerTalk17:19, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T17:19:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-30T17:19:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T16:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Jetstreamer, again thank you for your great contributions. I've noted that you removed several hijacking incidents from the Libyan Airlines article, with the reasoning that as there were neither any fatalities nor aircraft damage (so you have seemed to follow WP:AIRCRASH). But I don't think that an aircrash guideline is applicable to hijackings, because often there is also a political background. Look, I'm currently working on Lufthansa Flight 615. This article does not meet WP:AIRCRASH, either, but I'm pretty sure it's notable (and therefore the incident should also be included in the List of accidents and incidents of Lufthansa). Or would you rather remove it? Here on Wikipedia, a List of aircraft hijackings exists (as well as some related stuff, like List of Cuba–United States aircraft hijackings), but there is nothing like List of minor aviation occurrences. Therefore, consensus seems to be to treat hijackings differently, for example by applying the WP:EVENT guideline to determine their notability. I've just put "better sourcing of the Libyan Airlines hijackings" on my Wikipedia agenda (along with some other ones, especially at LOT Polish Airlines). Would you agree that it's okay to mention such occurrences at the respective airline article once there are better, comprehensive references (even if WP:AIRCRASH is not met)?--FoxyOrange (talk) 16:26, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T16:26:00.000Z","author":"FoxyOrange","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T16:26:00.000Z-About_the_notability_of_hijackings","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-30T17:17:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T16:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
Mmmm, I see that you're not in agreement with the removal, so I've reinstated the content. You're right, I've followed WP:AIRCRASH, and we need to discuss whether the application of these guidelines are suitable in this context. Clearly, there's no consensus for those entries at Libyan Airlines to be removed, and honestly, it's better to have those entries visible if we raise the matter of hijackings at WT:AIRLINE for future feedback from other editors.--JetstreamerTalk17:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T17:17:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-30T17:17:00.000Z-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T16:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T17:45:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-30T17:17:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for your reply. I've just posted the issue here. Fell free to comment.--FoxyOrange (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T17:45:00.000Z","author":"FoxyOrange","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FoxyOrange-2013-07-30T17:45:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-07-30T17:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
You can't just add a source for every single delivery.FonEengIneeR7 (talk) 16:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-31T16:55:00.000Z","author":"FonEengIneeR7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FonEengIneeR7-2013-07-31T16:55:00.000Z-Sourcing","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-31T16:57:00.000Z-FonEengIneeR7-2013-07-31T16:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
That's exactly what WP:VERIFY says.--JetstreamerTalk16:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-31T16:57:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-07-31T16:57:00.000Z-FonEengIneeR7-2013-07-31T16:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Why did you mass revert my edits? Jay-W (talk) 11:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-05T11:03:00.000Z","author":"Jay-W","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jay-W-2013-08-05T11:03:00.000Z-Dan_Air","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-05T11:05:00.000Z-Jay-W-2013-08-05T11:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
Sorry for that, but you deleted tons of valuable information, even references that (fortunately) a bot recovered. The article is in bad need of cleanup, but deleting entire sections is not the way of proceeding.--JetstreamerTalk11:05, 5 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-05T11:05:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-05T11:05:00.000Z-Jay-W-2013-08-05T11:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jay-W-2013-08-05T13:59:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-08-05T11:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
The main issue that was raised on the talk page was the repetition of information and the extremely long intro. The info I took out of the opening was all stuff that was repeated in the rest of the article. Jay-W (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-05T13:59:00.000Z","author":"Jay-W","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jay-W-2013-08-05T13:59:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-08-05T11:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-05T19:35:00.000Z-Jay-W-2013-08-05T13:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes, I understand what you say an appreciate your effort, but having a lead including just a one-line sentence is not appropriate, not to mention, as I said above, the references that you removed. As a sidenote, nothing is said at WP:LEDE that the info included in it should not be repeated in the sections below; actually, the matter is completely the converse. Anyway, thanks for your interest in the article. I've been wathcing it for a long time, but will start to edit it myself in order to carry out the necessary cleanup. If you're interested, just drop me a line here or at the article's talk page.--JetstreamerTalk19:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-05T19:35:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-05T19:35:00.000Z-Jay-W-2013-08-05T13:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Mmmmm, yum yum! Thank you very much!--JetstreamerTalk13:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-06T13:25:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-06T13:25:00.000Z-TheFlyingFoot-2013-08-06T06:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi! Thanks for the timely warning. Yes, I do apologize for being involved in that edit war in Serengeti National Park. Surely, I should have started the discussion first in the talk page. Now, the discussion has been initiated by another user. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-12T22:00:00.000Z","author":"Dwaipayanc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dwaipayanc-2013-08-12T22:00:00.000Z-RE:_Warning_on_edit_warring","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:07:00.000Z-Dwaipayanc-2013-08-12T22:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Dwaipayan"}}-->
Glad to hear that. Just a piece of advice: if you find deeply involved in an edit conflict, try to solve it at the corresponding talk page, or just move on and cool down. Wikipedia can wait. Avoid warring (or being blocked) at all costs. Regards.--JetstreamerTalk22:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-12T22:07:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:07:00.000Z-Dwaipayanc-2013-08-12T22:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Why is the table is referring to only nonstop and destinations that have traffic rights> A lot of destinations that are direct with no plane change are missing (like KQ to HKG, CAN). 68.119.73.36 (talk) 22:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-12T22:07:00.000Z","author":"68.119.73.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T22:07:00.000Z-Jomo_Kenyatta_International_Airport","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:10:00.000Z-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T22:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
Well, I just don't know. My recent history of edits there is minimum. What I can tell is that all the entries have been sourced, and that there's an ongoing discussion bordering the matter at WT:AIRPORTS. Wanna take part?--JetstreamerTalk22:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-12T22:10:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:10:00.000Z-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T22:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
::Already did. Just the same thing I said here. Kenya Airways does have flights from Nairobi to Hong Kong and Guangzhou (via Bangkok and Dubai) according the source and so are a lot of other destinations. 68.119.73.36 (talk) 22:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-12T22:20:00.000Z","author":"68.119.73.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T22:20:00.000Z-Jomo_Kenyatta_International_Airport","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:25:00.000Z-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T22:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for participating.--JetstreamerTalk22:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-12T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:25:00.000Z-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T22:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T23:21:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
You can remove this thread as discussing this at WP:AIRPORTS is no use to me..........bye bye forever! 68.119.73.36 (talk) 23:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-12T23:21:00.000Z","author":"68.119.73.36","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-68.119.73.36-2013-08-12T23:21:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-08-12T22:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thank you for the compliment. I was watching an television episode regarding the crash on Youtube and I saw that the article here could use some work. Some of the information I was able to use from the Nolisair page for the expansion. Finding articles that weren't behind a paywall for references was a little difficult. Shinerunner(talk)13:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-17T13:56:00.000Z","author":"Shinerunner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shinerunner-2013-08-17T13:56:00.000Z-Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120","replies":[]}}-->
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Not done--JetstreamerTalk01:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-30T01:27:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-30T01:27:00.000Z-DPL_bot-2013-08-22T11:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Fixed--JetstreamerTalk01:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-30T01:21:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-30T01:21:00.000Z-DPL_bot-2013-08-29T11:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello,
I've noticed that on the page Air Europa destinations it says that gray in the infobox means terminated, however there is no black there is just gray. Also, sometimes only part of the column is that color. Can you please fix these changes?
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I'll do my best.--JetstreamerTalk20:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-31T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-31T20:41:00.000Z-BrandonWu-2013-08-31T20:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-31T20:45:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-08-31T20:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
Seems to be a browser problem. When using IE, I have the same issues you mention, but not with Mozilla. Neverheless, I'll be putting the table in the new format, as per these guidelines. Please be patient. Thanks for your comments.--JetstreamerTalk20:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-31T20:45:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-08-31T20:45:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-08-31T20:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Jetstreamer, firstly, many thanks for your review of the NDBR article. Unfortunately I don't think I will have any time to follow up on your suggestions, I'm back from work for a few weeks and have to move into a new house, and then I'm back out to Brazil. It might not be until Christmas that I'll have any time to work on any articles. Thanks anyway but you can go ahead and fail the nom. Cheers, Jack
Hello. I will therefore fail the nomination. If you decide to renominate it later and still wish for me to be the reviewer, please let me know, and I'll be resuming it with pleasure. Cheers.--JetstreamerTalk13:11, 5 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-05T13:11:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-05T13:11:00.000Z-NDBR_GA_review","replies":[]}}-->
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In this edit a now blocked user has linked to my talkpage in their signature.----JetstreamerTalk21:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-05T21:54:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-05T21:54:00.000Z-Signature","replies":["c-Singularity42-2013-09-05T22:03:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-09-05T21:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
Done Fixed. Singularity42 (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-05T22:03:00.000Z","author":"Singularity42","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Singularity42-2013-09-05T22:03:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-09-05T21:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-05T22:04:00.000Z-Singularity42-2013-09-05T22:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk22:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-05T22:04:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-05T22:04:00.000Z-Singularity42-2013-09-05T22:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi, i put the reference of the information in Lanzarote airport and beauvais. Now you know that the information is true. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janayte (talk • contribs) 11:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-06T11:54:00.000Z","author":"Janayte","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Janayte-2013-09-06T11:54:00.000Z-The_reference_is_done","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-06T20:27:00.000Z-Janayte-2013-09-06T11:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks to you. I've tided your addition a bit.--JetstreamerTalk20:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-06T20:27:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-06T20:27:00.000Z-Janayte-2013-09-06T11:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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The Civility Barnstar
A wise man once said, "I award you this barnstar for not losing your temper when discussing with a fool like me." I think that works here too. Bgwhite (talk) 06:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-07T06:05:00.000Z","author":"Bgwhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bgwhite-2013-09-07T06:05:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you","replies":[]}}-->
You had a good idea on getting a third opinion from an admin. It is a good tool to use, especially if you are felling frustrated. I saw you are Argentinian. What I wouldn't give for a good dulce de leche alfajor. I sure miss those things. They are the crack of the cookie world. Bgwhite (talk) 06:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-07T06:05:00.000Z","author":"Bgwhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bgwhite-2013-09-07T06:05:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you-1","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello, I added another source concerning to the suspension of Turkish Airlines to Sabha. It's quite old, but it's the only one I found, plus is from Turkish Airlines - Tripoli facebook page (I don't know if it's the most adequate kind of source). But given the evidence from other sources, and the lack of flights of Turkish Airlines from Sabha (which I discovered through other means), I hope it will be useful. Nmgscp74 (talk) 11:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-09T11:22:00.000Z","author":"Nmgscp74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nmgscp74-2013-09-09T11:22:00.000Z-Suspension_of_Turkish_Airlines_flights_to_Sabha","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-09T11:23:00.000Z-Nmgscp74-2013-09-09T11:22:00.000Z"]}}-->
I've posted at your talk page regarding the matter.--JetstreamerTalk11:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-09T11:23:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-09T11:23:00.000Z-Nmgscp74-2013-09-09T11:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello again! We had already talked, but I had used my IP address instead (217.129.59.220). I was the one who made some changes concerning to Turkish Airlines destinations, and in the case of Mezar-i-Sharif, as we knew later, you ended up being right about the remarks (It looks like Turkish Airlines cancelled it later). Greetings! Nmgscp74 (talk) 11:30, 9 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-09T11:30:00.000Z","author":"Nmgscp74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nmgscp74-2013-09-09T11:30:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_the_welcoming_message","replies":[]}}-->
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Aerolineas Argentina had and continues to have seven Airbus A343. At the moment, officially the company not informed that a plane returned it. Foul source to justify that there are only six planes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quentela1234 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-12T19:26:00.000Z","author":"Quentela1234","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quentela1234-2013-09-12T19:26:00.000Z-Aerolineas_Argentinas_-_Jetstreamer","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-12T21:44:00.000Z-Quentela1234-2013-09-12T19:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have reverted your edit, as it violates the verifiability policy, i.e. everything should be properly sourced. I don't see your numbers backed by any source. Furthermore, you may want to take a look at WP:VNT. Finally, you should sign your posts.--JetstreamerTalk21:44, 12 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-12T21:44:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-12T21:44:00.000Z-Quentela1234-2013-09-12T19:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-12T22:00:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-09-12T21:44:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have reinstated your version, and added a reference for you ([5]). I suggest you to read WP:BURDEN.--JetstreamerTalk22:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-12T22:00:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-12T22:00:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-09-12T21:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Etihad is only flag carrier in Emirates.National.
i explained why i edit.
again?! Etihad is only flag carrier in Emirates.National. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.180.105.218 (talk) 11:35, 16 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-16T11:35:00.000Z","author":"95.180.105.218","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-95.180.105.218-2013-09-16T11:35:00.000Z-Etihad_is_only_flag_carrier_in_Emirates.National.","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-16T11:42:00.000Z-95.180.105.218-2013-09-16T11:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
I really don't know what are you talking about. Maybe you can point to a diff to make things clearer? Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk11:42, 16 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-16T11:42:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-16T11:42:00.000Z-95.180.105.218-2013-09-16T11:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
In tables of national flag carrier you put Etihad and Emirates to be flag carriers of UAE[United arab Emirates] and that is not true and correct because Etihad is Flag carrier, Emirates is not!
Emirates is an airline based in Dubai.
Etihad Airways is the flag carrier of the United Arab Emirates.[2] Established by Royal decree in July 2003 and based in Abu Dhabi, Etihad commenced operations in November 2003.[3] The name derives from the Arabic word for "union" (الإتّحاد al-ittiḥād).[4]
So edit the Table of national flag carriers and remove Emirates as i did pls...
It correct and its true or edit two links i give you in this post so you can miss-inform ppl on all the pages.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.180.105.218 (talk) 11:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-16T11:51:00.000Z","author":"95.180.105.218","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-95.180.105.218-2013-09-16T11:51:00.000Z-Flag_carrier","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-16T11:57:00.000Z-95.180.105.218-2013-09-16T11:51:00.000Z"]}}-->
The two entries at flag carrier are properly sourced (as required by WP:VERIFY), so I don't see anything wrong in that page. As to Etihad and Emirates, you can proceed and change them for yourself, as per WP:BOLD. Please remember to add reliable sources for your changes. Regards.--JetstreamerTalk11:57, 16 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-16T11:57:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-16T11:57:00.000Z-95.180.105.218-2013-09-16T11:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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The issue is that a depression is much worse than a simple crisis and statistics show that what ocurred in Argentina wasn’t a mere crisis, but a severe downturn, namely a depression. The fact that it was a depression doesn’t exclude it of having been a crisis to some extent, however, the term crisis is very loose and generic so it is necessary to specify, as a deceleration could be tagged as a crisis without not even having occurred a recession.
Only in 2002 it shrank 11%. Overall decline was greater than 20%.
The economy’s contraction lasted for 4 years.
Many economists and eminent organizations have called it a "depression", and some even as a "great depression", and it is indisputable that it met the criteria for being a depression:
But this approach has failed for more than four years, as the economy remains mired in a depression, with a loss of more than 20 percent of GDP since the last business cycle peak in 1998.
Between 1998 – 2002, Argentina experienced the worse socio-economic crises in its history. The economy nose-dived from recession to full scale depression, culminating in double digit negative growth in 2001 – 2002.
The economy of Argentina finds itself submerged in a great depression that, even if it began four years ago, deepened after mid 2001 with average quarterly falls of deseasonalized GDP with respect to the previous quarter of 5 percent for the last two quarters of 2001 and the first of 2002. This violent deepening of the recession occurred just at the moment that economic agents, almost universally, became convinced of the impossibility of sustaining the Convertibility Plan. (...) Argentina was the poster child for “Washington consensus” economists and policymakers. Less than three years later, Argentina found itself in an economic depression as severe as any in a moderately industrialized country over the past century. It could secure emergency funding from the IMF only after seemingly endless negotiations.
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Although it started more slowly than the U.S. Great Depression, the 1974–90 great depression in Argentina lasted longer and resulted in a larger deviation in output from potential as measured by the 2 percent growth path. Figure 2 shows that between 1974 and 1990, real output per working-age person fell by almost 44 percent compared to the 2 percent growth path, with a decline of almost 25 percent in the first decade. Notice that this economic performance was horrible even ignoring the trend—real output per working-age person fell 23 percent, making the period 1974–90 in Argentina a great depression by any reasonable definition. Over the period 1990–98, except for a brief downturn in 1995 associated with the Tequila Crisis, Argentina boomed, with cumulative growth almost 17 percent more than the 2 percent growth path (37 percent ignoring the trend). Starting in 1998, however, Argentina entered yet another great depression, with real output per working-age person falling by more than 29 percent by 2002, compared to the 2 percent growth path (23 percent ignoring the trend). As noted by the Argentine government in the earlier quotation, the decline was particularly severe in 2001 and 2002.
In 1998, Argentina entered what was to become a savage depression.
By the way, the title is not even correct, since the depression began in 1998, not in 1999, as one can see when quarterly data are evaluated, so the title must be changed. ★ Nacho ★ ★ 18:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-23T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Inhakito","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Inhakito-2013-09-23T18:49:00.000Z-Re:_Argentine_economic_crisis_(1999\u20132002)","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-23T21:13:00.000Z-Inhakito-2013-09-23T18:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2605 Nacho \u2605"}}-->
Thank you for your thorough response, it's clear that you are more familiar with this stuff than I am. Put the way you did, the article should be renamed, and the references you provided above included in the article as well. Would you like to start a move request at the article's page, or directly proceed to moving the article to its new name? Needless to say, I support the move.--JetstreamerTalk21:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-23T21:13:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-09-23T21:13:00.000Z-Inhakito-2013-09-23T18:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Peace be with you Jetstreamer, how are you doing? I just wanna pop by to inform you on how you could improve your referencing skills, particularly with the magazine Flight International since I can see that you use this resource quite extensively. If you haven't already, I recommend you treat this resource as a journal from now on, and so this would mean that it should be listed under the "Bibliography" section of any article. I suggest you use this referencing format within the article:
Author Year, page number(s). If there is no author, use Flight International.
And use this template, filled out with the relevant details, at the end of the article:
{{Cite journal |title= |url= |magazine=Flight International |date= |issue= |volume= |page= (page range if the article spans multiple pages) |location=London, UK |publisher=Reed Business Information |archiveurl= |archivedate= |issn=0015-3710}}
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I don't know what are you talking about.--JetstreamerTalk12:29, 4 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-04T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-04T12:29:00.000Z-197.210.248.57-2013-10-04T02:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Air France,El Al and Iran Air are also fly in manila in a past years but now it's now a terminated destination.check your facts.
I have to check nothing, it's you the one that added unsourced content. See WP:BURDEN. I just reverted your changes and warned you. By the way, you should sign your posts.--JetstreamerTalk13:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-10T13:01:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-10T13:01:00.000Z-\/*_Airlines_and_destinations_*\/","replies":[]}}-->
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about Air Algérie, i know the city Béchar and it called "Béchar" not Béjar in spain . --Houcinovic (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-13T17:38:00.000Z","author":"Houcinovic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Houcinovic-2013-10-13T17:38:00.000Z-B\u00e9char","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-15T00:13:00.000Z-Houcinovic-2013-10-13T17:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes, you are right. It's been fixed.--JetstreamerTalk00:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-15T00:13:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-15T00:13:00.000Z-Houcinovic-2013-10-13T17:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Why is a ref needed in the lede for the flight number? Per WP:LEDE, there shouldn't be refs in the lede, which should be a summary of the article. If you want to use the ref in the article, feel free to extract facts from the source and reference them in the usual way. Will you please revert your edit? Mjroots (talk) 10:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-17T10:29:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:29:00.000Z-Lao_Airlines_Flight_301","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-17T10:34:00.000Z-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
I concur, but there's no need to wipe the source out. You can simply move it to other sections of the article. Flight International is one of the most reliable sources in the aviation industry. Don't you think the reference should stay? If not, you're free to remove it.--JetstreamerTalk10:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-17T10:34:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-17T10:34:00.000Z-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:40:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-17T10:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
Agree that Flight International is an excellent source, which I checked when forming the article, but at the time they had nothing to contribute that wasn't already references. Will check the source and see if there's anything new which can be used now. Mjroots (talk) 10:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-17T10:40:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:40:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-17T10:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:50:00.000Z-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
Managed to find something new from Flight Global . Mjroots (talk) 10:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-17T10:50:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:50:00.000Z-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-17T13:59:00.000Z-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:50:00.000Z"]}}-->
That's great!--JetstreamerTalk13:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-17T13:59:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-17T13:59:00.000Z-Mjroots-2013-10-17T10:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Fixed.--JetstreamerTalk14:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-19T14:12:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T14:12:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello, I successfully uploaded the image File:US Airways E175 at MHT.jpg. However, the image has been rotated. Is this because the original image's dimensions were not appropriate? How can I fix this problem? Thanks. Sunnya343 (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-19T23:47:00.000Z","author":"Sunnya343","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sunnya343-2013-10-19T23:47:00.000Z-Uploading_Images_2","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:48:00.000Z-Sunnya343-2013-10-19T23:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
Have you uploaded it to Commons? If so, you can request a rotation.--JetstreamerTalk23:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-19T23:48:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:48:00.000Z-Sunnya343-2013-10-19T23:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sunnya343-2013-10-19T23:53:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
No, I have not. I can't upload the same file, at least with the same name, onto Commons. So should I still upload the same image, with a different file name, and then request rotation? Sorry, I'm quite new to Wikipedia. Sunnya343 (talk) 23:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-19T23:53:00.000Z","author":"Sunnya343","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sunnya343-2013-10-19T23:53:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:58:00.000Z-Sunnya343-2013-10-19T23:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
No problem, you may ask all the questions you want. I'll be posting a question here on how to rotate your image, as I don't know the way to do that.--JetstreamerTalk23:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-19T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:58:00.000Z-Sunnya343-2013-10-19T23:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hello there Wikipedians! Does anyone know how to rotate the image above? The author uploaded it landscape. Thanks in advance.--JetstreamerTalk23:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-19T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:58:00.000Z-Uploading_Images_2","replies":["c-Diannaa-2013-10-20T00:18:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi there. I have rotated the image and have also created a version that's not so blue. If the original colours are preferred, the file can be reverted back to there. Cheers, -- Diannaa (talk) 00:18, 20 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-20T00:18:00.000Z","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-2013-10-20T00:18:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-19T23:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-20T00:34:00.000Z-Diannaa-2013-10-20T00:18:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks, Diannaa. Will notify the uploader.--JetstreamerTalk00:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-20T00:34:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-20T00:34:00.000Z-Diannaa-2013-10-20T00:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hey there, I did some research again and it was my mistake. Cosmo indeed bought them so the information is correct. They just never flew them and tried to lease them out as soon as they got them at the auction. Sorry for any confusion! --84.156.5.176 (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-30T14:32:00.000Z","author":"84.156.5.176","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-84.156.5.176-2013-10-30T14:32:00.000Z-PLUNAs_CRJ","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-30T14:33:00.000Z-84.156.5.176-2013-10-30T14:32:00.000Z"]}}-->
No problem. Glad to see this is solved. --JetstreamerTalk14:33, 30 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-30T14:33:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-30T14:33:00.000Z-84.156.5.176-2013-10-30T14:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Son 22 aviones operativos en Autral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.97.51.198 (talk) 13:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T13:33:00.000Z","author":"190.97.51.198","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-190.97.51.198-2013-11-01T13:33:00.000Z-Austral_airfleet_22!!!","replies":[]}}-->
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http://books.google.com/books?id=kEPbRmivj7IC&pg=PA69 talks about a Caravelle plane having been donated by the Pompidou government to Bokassa (for his private use) in late 1970 as a political move to patch up relations. Would this plane have entered in the Air Centrafrique fleet? --Soman (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T15:47:00.000Z","author":"Soman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soman-2013-11-02T15:47:00.000Z-re:_Air_Centrafrique","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T16:03:00.000Z-Soman-2013-11-02T15:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
Maybe that's the aircraft that joined the fleet in the late 1970s, as mentioned in the article (four paragraph, last sentence).--JetstreamerTalk16:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T16:03:00.000Z-Soman-2013-11-02T15:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi, thanks for the reply...I understand that there has to be a policy, a referencing procedure, but I thought (and that is the principle under I work on Wikipedia) that the truth was the ultimate goal. In this particular case, I assume (correct me please if I am wrong) that you have one source that says Freizo, but there are hundreds of other sources that says Freixo. Are these other sources not good enough for verifiability? Please look at the DETA map route of 1973 (http://macua.blogs.com/moambique_para_todos/2012/07/a-deta-linhas-a%C3%A9reas-de-mo%C3%A7ambique-em-1973.html), an official publication of DETA, and you will see Nova Freixo in there. In my opinion it does not get more official and verifiable than that. Anyway, just an opinion. Keep the good work! Teixant (talk) 08:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T08:52:00.000Z","author":"Teixant","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Teixant-2013-11-02T08:52:00.000Z-Freixo_vs._Freizo","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:10:00.000Z-Teixant-2013-11-02T08:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thank you for bringing this up, Teixant. Yes, I have a book from which I've been extracting all the material used in the recent expansion of the article. I've added a note that I believe will settle the discussion. Nevertheless, I'll ask you to take a look at the first paragraph of the ″Renaming″ section. There appears Moz as a city served in 1995, for which I could not find an article to link to. Can you please take care of that? Cheers.--JetstreamerTalk15:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T15:10:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:10:00.000Z-Teixant-2013-11-02T08:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Teixant-2013-11-03T21:09:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi Jetstreamer, I looked at the 1985 publication and there Moz appears after Pemba (in the article you put it in alphabetic order). I believe that the Moz indicates that the destination they are listing is Pemba, Mozambique and not Pemba, Tanzania. They have that kind of disambiguation in the Wikipedia itself for Pemba Airport. Regards. Teixant (talk) 21:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-03T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Teixant","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Teixant-2013-11-03T21:09:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello there Wikifellas! I've tried to set the counter in my user page for the template above to provide a live count of my edits. Maybe (most likely!) I did something wrong, because neither this version nor this other one seems to be working. The number of edits stood at 28397. It is supposed to provide a live count, right? Thanks in advance for your time. Regards.--JetstreamerTalk19:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-30T19:34:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-30T19:34:00.000Z-User:UBX\/LiveEditCounter","replies":["c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-31T04:40:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-30T19:34:00.000Z","c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-31T05:09:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-30T19:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi, Jetstreamer – have you tried taking the userbox out of the boxboxtop template and letting it appear on its own? I did this on my user page and it works okay. – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX!04:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-31T04:40:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-31T04:40:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-30T19:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
I think maybe I see what you mean – there is a very different tally on X!'s Edit Counter page than in the user box on my user page. You may need to go directly to the creator of that user box to see what's up. – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX!05:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-31T05:09:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-31T05:09:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-30T19:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-31T21:38:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-31T05:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for your response. For the record, I tried to put the template out of the boxboxtop and nothing changed. Will contact the creator.--JetstreamerTalk21:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-31T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-10-31T21:38:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-31T05:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-01T00:54:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-31T21:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
You're very welcome! In addition to X!'s page, which is found at the bottom of our contribution pages, is this global account manager. My edit counts don't jive from one to the other nor to the user box edit count. I wonder which is correct, if any of them? – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX!00:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T00:54:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-01T00:54:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-10-31T21:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-01T17:05:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-01T00:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
Seems to be working now. At least, the number has increased from 28397 to 28768.--JetstreamerTalk17:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T17:05:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-01T17:05:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-01T00:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-02T08:05:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-01T17:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
I could not see a count; I brought up your user page, even purged it to get a fresh copy, and the userbox still just read "N+ edits". – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX!08:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T08:05:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-02T08:05:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-01T17:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:02:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-02T08:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
I can see a number at my user page, but when I visit another user's one, it happens exactly the same you describe.--JetstreamerTalk15:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T15:02:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:02:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-02T08:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-03T22:34:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
Awhile back, when I kept track of my number of edits, I used {{User contrib}}. The count has to be entered manually, so I'd check the X! count and update the number on my user page. Then for some reason, I don't know why, I stopped doing it and rm'd the box from my user page. In case you haven't seen these yet, here are Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits and Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters, a couple of pages I found interesting. – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX!22:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-03T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-03T22:34:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-02T15:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thanks for the tip. I contacted the author of the template that originated the discussion. S(he) will answer soon. At least I hope so...--JetstreamerTalk22:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-03T22:47:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-11-03T22:47:00.000Z-User:UBX\/LiveEditCounter","replies":["c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-04T16:04:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-03T22:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
Best of good fortune to you, Jetstreamer! I'll close the help me banner for now; if you need it again, just turn it back into a {{Help me}} template. Joys! – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX!16:04, 4 November 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T16:04:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-11-04T16:04:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-11-03T22:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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