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Somehow I missed this from two months ago, but okay, better late than never. I think this is the first investigation of moscovium. (And it is also stated that there are promising methods for studying millisecond-lifetime Lv and Ts.) :) Double sharp (talk) 10:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127103800","author":"Double sharp","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Double_sharp-20241127103800-Chemical_study_of_nihonium_and_moscovium","replies":["c-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127131900-Double_sharp-20241127103800","c-ComplexRational-20241127143000-Double_sharp-20241127103800"]}}-->
Exciting news! I think Lv is doable, but I don't think chemistry of Ts can be done if the berkelium target needed for Ts production is so hard to obtain. :(
By the way, is there any new predictions about Ts? After At is predicted to be a metal with density ~9 g/cm3, the "semimetallic" and low density of ~7 g/cm3 at the infobox of Ts looks outdated. Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 13:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127131900","author":"Nucleus hydro elemon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127131900-Double_sharp-20241127103800","replies":["c-Double_sharp-20241127132400-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127131900","c-Double_sharp-20241221075300-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127131900"]}}-->
@Nucleus hydro elemon: Not aware of any bulk predictions. I'm indeed convinced that Ts should be a metal, but the best source I have for that is just Andreas Hermann's guess in 2013 back when the metallic At prediction first came out. Double sharp (talk) 13:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127132400","author":"Double sharp","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Double_sharp-20241127132400-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127131900","replies":[]}}-->
(Personally, what I wonder most about is whether Cn, Fl, and Og are metals.) Double sharp (talk) 07:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221075300","author":"Double sharp","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Double_sharp-20241221075300-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127131900","replies":[]}}-->
Interesting. And it looks like Mt, Ds, and Rg will continue to be ignored, even though at least Rg is arguably more accessible than Ts (easier synthesis and longer half-lives - at least of the granddaughters of Mc). Complex/Rational14:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127143000","author":"ComplexRational","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ComplexRational-20241127143000-Double_sharp-20241127103800","replies":["c-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127144900-ComplexRational-20241127143000"],"displayName":"Complex"}}-->
The reasoning given by their articles is there are no volatile compounds of Mt, Ds, Rg without fluorine. If we somehow managed to do SHE fluorine chemistry, then the volatile fluorides DbF5, SgF5,6, BhF5,6,7 and HsF5,6,(7,8)? can be studied. Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 14:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127144900","author":"Nucleus hydro elemon","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127144900-ComplexRational-20241127143000","replies":["c-Double_sharp-20241127145700-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127144900"]}}-->
There's no Au hexafluoride, so I kind of doubt there is a Rg one either. Double sharp (talk) 14:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127145700","author":"Double sharp","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Double_sharp-20241127145700-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241127144900","replies":[]}}-->
This paper also points out that since Cn and Fl are more volatile than Nh and Mc, it could be possible to chemically detect EC in the 288Mc decay chain. Double sharp (talk) 12:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241129124300","author":"Double sharp","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Double_sharp-20241129124300-Chemical_study_of_nihonium_and_moscovium","replies":["c-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241129151500-Double_sharp-20241129124300"]}}-->
Current detectors are not sensitive towards EC, so any way that could detect it looks good. I'll look forward to 287,290Fl→Nh and 268,270Db→Rf that solves unconfirmed nuclei, but I couldn't figure out a chemical way to separate them. (Can it detect a less volatile daughter?) :\
Mt→Hs EC is probably observable based on the reaction towards oxygen of their lighter congeners (Os forms volatile OsO4, while Ir does nothing), but sadly there might be no EC to be observed at first, and Re2O7 (the lighter congener for Bh, the α-decay product of Mt) is also quite volatile. :( Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241129151500","author":"Nucleus hydro elemon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nucleus_hydro_elemon-20241129151500-Double_sharp-20241129124300","replies":[]}}-->
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@AntiCompositeNumber: Happy holidays to you as well! It was nice meeting you at WCNA this year and I look forward to next time. Complex/Rational23:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223233000","author":"ComplexRational","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ComplexRational-20241223233000-Season's_Greetings","replies":[],"displayName":"Complex"}}-->
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@Gaismagorm: Resolved, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Complex/Rational23:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223233100","author":"ComplexRational","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ComplexRational-20241223233100-Gaismagorm-20241223184400","replies":["c-Gaismagorm-20241224000100-ComplexRational-20241223233100"],"displayName":"Complex"}}-->
No problem! Gaismagorm(talk)00:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224000100","author":"Gaismagorm","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gaismagorm-20241224000100-ComplexRational-20241223233100","replies":[]}}-->
Hi, it seems that you missed two instances of this template's transclusions and they were not properly substituted at Pearson's chi-squared test and Talk:Probability/Archive 1. They now show up as links to the deleted template. ✗plicit23:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241226234700","author":"Explicit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Explicit-20241226234700-Template:Dice","replies":["c-ComplexRational-20241226234900-Explicit-20241226234700"],"displayName":"\u2717"}}-->
@Explicit: Fixed now, thanks for informing me. Complex/Rational23:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241226234900","author":"ComplexRational","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ComplexRational-20241226234900-Explicit-20241226234700","replies":[],"displayName":"Complex"}}-->
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@Wil540 art: And a happy new year to you as well! Complex/Rational00:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102003200","author":"ComplexRational","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ComplexRational-20250102003200-Wil540_art-20250101145000","replies":[],"displayName":"Complex"}}-->
Happy slightly belated New Year! :D Double sharp (talk) 06:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102060800","author":"Double sharp","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Double_sharp-20250102060800-Happy_New_Year_to_you,_ComplexRational!","replies":["c-ComplexRational-20250102144700-Double_sharp-20250102060800"]}}-->
@Double sharp: Happy new year to you too! Complex/Rational14:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102144700","author":"ComplexRational","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ComplexRational-20250102144700-Double_sharp-20250102060800","replies":[],"displayName":"Complex"}}-->
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@SmittenGalaxy: Handled by another admin after a brief off-wiki exchange; thanks for bringing this to my attention. Complex/Rational23:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101235100","author":"ComplexRational","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ComplexRational-20250101235100-SmittenGalaxy-20250101190900","replies":["c-SmittenGalaxy-20250102100100-ComplexRational-20250101235100"],"displayName":"Complex"}}-->
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