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Welcome!

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Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse!

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Hello! Coining, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Liz ^Read! Talk! 06:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240406060100","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-20240406060100-Welcome_to_Wikipedia:_check_out_the_Teahouse!","replies":[]}}-->

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AN/I notice

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is EuroLeague - User:Cf203, User:Coining, and IPv6s. The discussion is about the topic EuroLeague. Thank you. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240520173300","author":"J\u00e9sk\u00e9 Couriano","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-20240520173300-AN\/I_notice","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi @Rosguill. Thank you for the pointers. However, my edit was to the antisemitism discussion (Topic 2) on the page, not the Israel-Palestinian conflict (Topic 1) discussion on that same page. It is only the later that would seem to implicate the Arab-Israeli conflict contentious topic that you have cited. Seeking to extend the contentious topic restrictions, such as the minimum 500 edits and account age of 30 days restriction, to all conversations about antisemitism, is, I submit, an effort to stifle genuine discussion about an important topic that is much broader (and has a longer and separate history than) the Arab-Israeli conflict. I respectfully recommend that you not make these postings on other users pages that are attempting to comment only on the general topics of antisemitism or hate symbols. Coining (talk) 20:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240619203400","author":"Coining","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Coining-20240619203400-Rosguill-20240619195100","replies":["c-Rosguill-20240619212500-Coining-20240619203400"]}}-->

I disagree with your framing of my action: my position is that it is specifically discussion of the ADL's views on antisemitism that is related the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as the main locus of the dispute is over their identification of anti-Zionism with antisemitism, not that antisemitism in toto is related to the conflict. Further, the point of these restrictions is to discourage sockpuppetry and to ensure a higher quality of discussion; I intend to continue enforcing community rules in order to maintain a fair and productive work environment despite the contentiousness of these topics. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240619212500","author":"Rosguill","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rosguill-20240619212500-Coining-20240619203400","replies":["c-Coining-20240619215600-Rosguill-20240619212500"]}}-->

It's interesting that you believe topic 1 and topic 2 on the reliable sources discussion are effectively the same, when the whole point of breaking up the topics was a recognition that they are different.

Antisemitism existed well before the Arab-Israeli conflict -- it precedes by millennia the 1948 establishment of the State of Israel. And the ADL was established in 1913. Furthermore, antisemitism is not solely, or even primarily about the Arab-Israeli conflict (or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or the Israel-Hamas War, both of which are separate articles from the Arab-Israeli conflict). It is antisemitic for someone to spray-paint a swastika on a synagogue or Jewish household's door -- and it was antisemitic to do so in the years 1933, 1945, 2000, 2022, and 2024. You can't simply say that every page related to Arabs or Israelis, or Muslims or Jews, is covered by the contentious topic restrictions. It is not being proposed that the ADL is an unreliable source only after 7 October, 2023, or only after 1967 -- it is being proposed that the ADL is an unreliable source for all time, from 1913 onwards. Simply put, the two topics are not the same, and saying that they are stifles the discussion. (Of note, the word "antisemitism" does not appear at all in the designation of the Arab-Israeli conflict as a contentious topic.)

You're doing a lot more than discouraging sockpuppety with these messages. I may only have 190+ edits on Wikipedia (and another 55+ on Wikidata), but I am not a sockpuppet and you are discouraging my (and others) participation in an important discussion. Coining (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240619215600","author":"Coining","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Coining-20240619215600-Rosguill-20240619212500","replies":[]}}-->

You may not participate in RFCs related to the Arab-Israeli conflict until you are extended confirmed. That includes the one at 1948 Arab–Israeli War. nableezy - 21:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105212800","author":"Nableezy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nableezy-20241105212800-Rosguill-20240619195100","replies":["c-Coining-20241105213300-Nableezy-20241105212800"]}}-->

I thought the extended confirm limitation applied only to edits to the article itself, not participation on the talk page. Am I wrong about that? (For example, the way to request an edit to a protected page is to make an edit request on the talk page. How is this different?) Thank you in advance for any clarification, @Nableezy. Coining (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105213300","author":"Coining","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Coining-20241105213300-Nableezy-20241105212800","replies":["c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105213700-Coining-20241105213300","c-Nableezy-20241105214300-Coining-20241105213300"]}}-->

It applies everywhere on Wikipedia. The exception is making constructive edit requests on article talk pages. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105213700","author":"ScottishFinnishRadish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105213700-Coining-20241105213300","replies":[]}}-->

Formal discussions, such as RFCs, AFDs, etc, are restricted to extended-confirmed users as well. nableezy - 21:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105214300","author":"Nableezy","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Nableezy-20241105214300-Coining-20241105213300","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi @KylieTastic -- Thank you for the feedback. I am essentially trying to create what I fully recognize is a stub article in place of the reference to TV3 Group in the disambiguation page TV3 so that a separate article (the one on EuroLeague) can link to this TV3 Group page (having been told that links to disambiguation pages are not advisable). I figure that if each of the individual networks TV3 (Estonia), TV3 (Latvia), and TV3 (Lithuania) owned by TV3 Group are worthy of Wikipedia article status, then its ownership group should be as well. I have added an outside reference to the draft article. Before I resubmit it for publication consideration, I would welcome any feedback you have.

I entirely acknowledge that this isn't a fully fleshed out article, but I do see stub articles on Wikipedia all the time, so clearly going beyond stub status is not a requirement for basic publication. My hope is that once the article is published then others will contribute. Thank you. Coining (talk) 14:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240621140200","author":"Coining","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Coining-20240621140200-KylieTastic-20240620215400","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20240621141400-Coining-20240621140200"]}}-->

Hi Coining, unfortunately that is not how Wikipedia works. All new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS). Notability is not inherited so just because the groups entities are notable does not mean the group is. Some groups/holding companies are very notable but probably most are not. At the moment your first source is the groups own web presence so not independent and the second is a press release so also not independent. So look to see if you can find 3+ independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the group itself and if so add them and resubmit. Hope that explains things, Regards KylieTastic (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240621141400","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20240621141400-Coining-20240621140200","replies":["c-Coining-20240622010500-KylieTastic-20240621141400"]}}-->

OK. My instinct is to then leave the draft alone and see if someone else picks it up. It seems odd to me that the same material that is deemed worthy of publication on a disambiguation page without any citations cannot without a lot more be placed in its own page in Wikipedia, but if those are the rules, so be it. Is there a good way for me to indicate to other editors that they are very welcome to go ahead and edit and submit it for publication? Coining (talk) 01:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240622010500","author":"Coining","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Coining-20240622010500-KylieTastic-20240621141400","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20240622084300-Coining-20240622010500"]}}-->

Hi, one option is to treat it like TV3 (Viasat) similarly listed on the Channel 3 disambiguation page. That is a redirect to the entity above it Viasat (Nordic television service). So similarly TV3 Group (Baltics) could be a redirect to it's owners page Providence Equity so that the channels have a link back to the owning company. As for the second question there may be some standard template but I can't think of one of the top of my head, you could try asking at a more open forum such as the Wikipedia:Teahouse. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 08:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240622084300","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20240622084300-Coining-20240622010500","replies":["c-Coining-20240623122400-KylieTastic-20240622084300"]}}-->

Thank you for the suggestion, though I'll pass on that option. I'm not especially interested in linking the EuroLeague page to an extended discussion of a television network ownership group. I'm really more interested in a way to refer to all three TV3 networks in the Baltics at once. Also, Viasat has been defunct since 2021, so it seems less notable than a group that the National Basketball Association has an active broadcasting contract with. Coining (talk) 12:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240623122400","author":"Coining","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Coining-20240623122400-KylieTastic-20240622084300","replies":[]}}-->