(You can pretend these are in userboxes if it makes you more comfortable:)
(You can pretend these are in userboxes if it makes you more comfortable:)
No matter how long this list gets, it is still likely to include only a tiny fraction of such articles. The really great thing is, you can't tell me "instead of whining about it, why don't you fix the problem" because there is nothing I can do about it short of stalking these celebrities to their homes and convincing them to visit a Sears portrait studio with me and subsequently sign over all rights to the resulting photograph. Wikipedia's image policies encourage articles to be illustrated by horrible crappy cameraphone snapshots, thanks to empty-headed idealists who won't accept that it's much easier for a layperson to write encyclopedic text about a famous person than to take an encyclopedic photograph of such a person.
I don't think I agree that it's significantly more silly to get into disputes over articles about trivial topics, than over more important articles. People who are like, "You're arguing about that article?" seem to suggest that you shouldn't mind if that article sucks (in your own eyes) because of terrible decisions by another editor, because the article doesn't really matter. But if you're not supposed to care whether an article sucks, why don't we just delete it already? What's the good of an article that you're supposed to allow to suck? Just a thought (not really relevant to any of my own personal disputes, of course; those have all been over very, very important matters, I assure you). Propaniac (talk) 14:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm beginning to think it's going to be frustration with people's inability to have an actual productive discussion. There's no incentive to try to make any kind of real argument about anything, because people will literally just ignore it and feel completely comfortable just spewing whatever completely uninformed, unexamined bullshit comes into their heads. Am I seriously the only person here who understands that in order to make progress in a conflict, you need to actually consider what other people are saying? That if you think the other person is incorrect, it's more helpful to explain to them why you don't agree, and then maybe when they understand your perspective, it'll cause them to reshape their own? Or am I just the only person who gives a shit? For a project that's supposed to be centered so strongly on the idea of community, and consensus, why is everyone so goddamn resistant to creating the simplest engagement between two people? If you don't give a shit whether your opinion actually makes any sense in reaction to other opinions, why are you sharing it in the first place? The trope is that Wikipedia's swallowed by bureaucracy, but not even the people who participate in the bureaucracy give a shit. There's little point in making every decision by committee if the committee is the equivalent of a herd of circus seals just thrusting their noses at whichever rainbow-colored horn looks shiniest. Propaniac (talk) 00:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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