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Switching sections round

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I've moved the characters section above that of the "related Who episodes". The characters are more important, and therefore are better placed nearer the top of the template. Tphi 00:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-21T00:40:00.000Z","author":"Tphi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tphi-2006-12-21T00:40:00.000Z-Switching_sections_round","replies":[]}}-->

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A question

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The template currently has three red links —— Other Torchwood Media, Torchwood Magazine and Torchwood Novels —− one of which already appears to be covered by the link to Category:Torchwood_novels, which is included in the Torchwood Lists section above it. Isn't this a tad redundant? --Mark H Wilkinson ^{(t, c)} 07:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-30T07:57:00.000Z","author":"Digby Tantrum","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Digby_Tantrum-2007-07-30T07:57:00.000Z-A_question","replies":[],"displayName":"Mark H Wilkinson"}}-->

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Miss Jones

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I see Martha's been added to the template as a main character again. Does anyone think three episodes justify this? Anyhow, I'm going to revert for the time being. --Mark H Wilkinson ^{(t, c)} 19:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-16T19:47:00.000Z","author":"Digby Tantrum","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Digby_Tantrum-2007-08-16T19:47:00.000Z-Miss_Jones","replies":["c-Ckatz-2007-08-16T22:17:00.000Z-Digby_Tantrum-2007-08-16T19:47:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mark H Wilkinson"}}-->

Good move - it isn't warranted at all. --Ckatz^chat_spy 22:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-16T22:17:00.000Z","author":"Ckatz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ckatz-2007-08-16T22:17:00.000Z-Digby_Tantrum-2007-08-16T19:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-AGU!_Defender-2008-07-13T21:14:00.000Z-Ckatz-2007-08-16T22:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm going to add her to the related articles section of the template due to her major role in 3 episodes of series 2. However, I agree with you all here that she should NOT be moved into the main characters section until we have valid sources to suggest that she will join Torchwood full-time. Also, I believe Micky Smith should be left off the template all together as he has had nothing to do with Torchwood so far, and there are currently no sources to suggest he ever will. All Grown Up! Defender 21:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-13T21:14:00.000Z","author":"AGU! Defender","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AGU!_Defender-2008-07-13T21:14:00.000Z-Ckatz-2007-08-16T22:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Recurring Characters

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These five characters that have been added as recurring have a definate right to be there , as each one has been used in more than episode and can sometimes be seen as main characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.124.75 (talk) 17:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-11T17:05:00.000Z","author":"92.238.124.75","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-92.238.124.75-2009-02-11T17:05:00.000Z-Recurring_Characters","replies":["c-Edokter-2009-02-11T17:47:00.000Z-92.238.124.75-2009-02-11T17:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

This is a navbox; it is meant to link articles, not subjects, meaning links to individual items in a list should be avoided. The list itself with ohter (minor) characters is already linked. — Edokter • Talk • 17:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-11T17:47:00.000Z","author":"Edokter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edokter-2009-02-11T17:47:00.000Z-92.238.124.75-2009-02-11T17:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tphi-2009-02-11T21:41:00.000Z-Edokter-2009-02-11T17:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Agreed. As much as I like PC Andy and co, Edokter is right on this one. Tphi (talk) 21:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-11T21:41:00.000Z","author":"Tphi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tphi-2009-02-11T21:41:00.000Z-Edokter-2009-02-11T17:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Well i can agree on the other four Characters but at least Rhys Williams must be on the navbox somewhere as he is a main recurring character throughout series one and two and is a main cast member as of series 3. • Talk • 20:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-15T20:58:00.000Z","author":"Dannyboybaby1234","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dannyboybaby1234-2009-02-15T20:58:00.000Z-Recurring_Characters","replies":["c-Edokter-2009-02-15T21:02:00.000Z-Dannyboybaby1234-2009-02-15T20:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Again, he does not have his own article, therefor should not be linked (as the ist of characters is already linked). — Edokter • Talk • 21:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-15T21:02:00.000Z","author":"Edokter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edokter-2009-02-15T21:02:00.000Z-Dannyboybaby1234-2009-02-15T20:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Inclusion of Army of Ghosts" / "Doomsday in related topics

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I added these two episodes to the template but was shortly removed because apparently they only feature the institute and not the series. Torchwood is integral to the plot of these two episodes and events that happen here have effected Torchwood the series. Ianto Jones was working at Torchwood One and would have been involved with the "Battle of Canary Wharf" His girlfriend was part converted into a Cyberman. I think Army of Ghosts" / "Doomsday should be included in the template because there is a lot of Torchwood history in those episodes. --TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 22:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-20T22:34:00.000Z","author":"TwentiethApril1986","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-20T22:34:00.000Z-Inclusion_of_Army_of_Ghosts\"_\/_\"Doomsday_in_related_topics","replies":["c-Edokter-2011-01-21T01:54:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-20T22:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Remember that Torchwood (the series) did not even exist when those episodes aired. Many episodes refer to the Torchwood institute (or Torchwood One in this case), but that does not automatically imply a connection to the Torchwood TV series. — Edokter • Talk — 01:54, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-21T01:54:00.000Z","author":"Edokter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edokter-2011-01-21T01:54:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-20T22:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-21T15:31:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-21T01:54:00.000Z","c-Tphi-2011-01-21T16:39:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-21T01:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Why does it have to connected to the TV series to be included in the template? "Army of Ghosts" / "Doomsday" are of interest to Torchwood articles. So should be included. I think we need a third opinion on this. --TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 15:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-21T15:31:00.000Z","author":"TwentiethApril1986","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-21T15:31:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-21T01:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

"Why does it have to connected to the TV series to be included in the template?" Because the template is about the TV series, not the fictional history of the institute (where the episodes are pertinently linked). Doctor Who is already linked and by default one would assume - it being the series' parent show - it will have episodes that refer, to a lesser or greater degree, to events in the Torchwood world. Best to keep them off the template. Tphi (talk) 16:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-21T16:39:00.000Z","author":"Tphi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tphi-2011-01-21T16:39:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-21T01:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Utopia has direct links with Torchwood. I've explained why in the edit summery but it keeps getting removed for some reason. --TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 22:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-22T22:28:00.000Z","author":"TwentiethApril1986","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T22:28:00.000Z-Inclusion_of_Army_of_Ghosts\"_\/_\"Doomsday_in_related_topics","replies":["c-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:11:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T22:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Can you please stop adding irrelevant links to this navbox? The navbox is only here to link the main Torchwood related articles together; it is not ment to include any slightly-related blurb. Please see WP:NAVBOX for inclusion guidelines. — Edokter • Talk — 23:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-22T23:11:00.000Z","author":"Edokter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:11:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T22:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:16:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

"any slightly-related blurb". Right, so we remove comics, the magazine, Novels and audio books and "The Stolen Earth" / "Journey's End". --Twentiethil1986 (talk) 23:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-22T23:16:00.000Z","author":"TwentiethApril1986","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:16:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:26:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Twentiethil1986"}}-->

No we do not, as they are an integral part of the subject of Torchwood (ie. "The Stolen Earth" / "Journey's End" were full cross-over epiosdes). Again, this is a navbox, not a comprehensive index of "everything related". For that, we have categories. The navbox' main function is to provide navigation to articles that link the main subjects together. — Edokter • Talk — 23:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-22T23:26:00.000Z","author":"Edokter","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:26:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:45:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

How can you say that Army of Ghosts" / "Doomsday are not an integral part of the subject of Torchwood? The whole institute was involved. A magazine which is no longer in publication is not an integral part of the subject of Torchwood. I really don't understand why you include that and not an important Doctor Who Torchwood story.--Twentiethil1986 (talk) 23:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-22T23:45:00.000Z","author":"TwentiethApril1986","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:45:00.000Z-Edokter-2011-01-22T23:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Edokter-2011-01-23T00:09:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Twentiethil1986"}}-->

Yes, the institute, not the TV series. Those two are not interchangable. The magazine is certainly tied in to the TV series (wether in publication or not). This navbox ties the main Torchwood related articles together. All related episodes are linked on Story arcs in Doctor Who#Torchwood. So again, the purpose of this navbox is to provide navigation between articles on a single subject, in this case the TV series. If loosely related articles are added, there will be no end on the articles being added, which makes navigation only harder. — Edokter • Talk — 00:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-23T00:09:00.000Z","author":"Edokter","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Edokter-2011-01-23T00:09:00.000Z-TwentiethApril1986-2011-01-22T23:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Template revamp

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Trying out a new design for the template featuring drop-down compartments for each section, including links to each indiviudal piece of merchandise (books, audios, et.al). Is it worth doing? Or since the current template already has links to pages which themselves have links to the merch media, better to keep it as it is? --Bigwhofan (Want to talk?) — 02:53, 3 February 2022 (GMT)

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Episode titles from Children of Earth

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@Woodensuperman, re your last edit: I’m not sure if you noticed that the episodes listed were not redlinked, and aren’t against the letter of WP:EXISTING. That, and I think including them would be well within the spirit of EXISTING, as most other episodes of most other seasons are listed, so the absence of these titles is odd (EXISTING states: In navigation boxes about musical ensembles, it may be appropriate to list all of the members of the ensemble, to avoid the perception that the ensemble is a solo act, provided that at least one member of the ensemble is notable, and I feel this is easily comparable). — HTGS (talk) 02:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230419023100","author":"HTGS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HTGS-20230419023100-Episode_titles_from_Children_of_Earth","replies":["c-Woodensuperman-20230419075600-HTGS-20230419023100"]}}-->

Maybe for "They Keep Killing Suzie", as it's the only one in that series without an article, but absolutely no point in putting the "Day One", "Day Two"... in Children of Earth. It's not comparable to the band member issue at all. We shouldn't have unlinked text in a navbox (Unlinked text should be avoided.) as navboxes are for navigation, not information. --woodensuperman 07:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230419075600","author":"Woodensuperman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Woodensuperman-20230419075600-HTGS-20230419023100","replies":["c-HTGS-20230423002400-Woodensuperman-20230419075600"],"displayName":"wooden"}}-->

I really don’t think it’s completely incomparable to the band member issue, but sure, it is a weaker link than the episodes-from-a-season issue. I’m not looking to die on this hill, I just feel like it’s such an easy bit of white space to fill in the nab box that we really may as well.

Anyway, if anyone else agrees with me, then please put the episodes back, but otherwise I’m happy to leave it as it was. — HTGS (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230423002400","author":"HTGS","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-HTGS-20230423002400-Woodensuperman-20230419075600","replies":[]}}-->