Template talk:Sonic Youth

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Copyright law sucks

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why can u not put up tabs when lyrics are posted everywhere for free also are the instumentals in any one song not the same as the words spoken... this whole artist disagreement is the most retarted thing i have ever heard.

                   lyrics = music
             instumentals = music

so the next time i get in my car and listen to the radio should i cut the artist of the song i hear a check, i guess they just arent making enough money doing what they do. all in all every thing with evey tab site and people getting their pantys in a bunch because its somthing someone can make money from and doesnt. 24.3.37.100 (talk) 07:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-24T07:45:00.000Z","author":"24.3.37.100","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.3.37.100-2006-10-24T07:45:00.000Z-Copyright_law_sucks","replies":["c-Augustus_Chip-2008-03-06T01:23:00.000Z-24.3.37.100-2006-10-24T07:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not sure exactly what yr getting at. I have the impression that many of the places lyrics are posted for free (particularly the ones prone to getting them wrong) are shady, not-exactly-legal operations, or small nonprofit fan sites. Lyrics (and, to the best of my knowledge, guitar tablatures) are protected by copyright laws; it's up to the copyright holder to authorise their publication, whether in print, in the CD booklet/album notes, or on the internet. Wikipedia stringently follows copyright laws; therefore copyrighted lyrics and tabs are not allowed here. As I understand it, when you listen to the radio in your car, it is the radio station's responsibility to cut the composer of the song a check, usually as part of licences radio stations pay to BMI and ASCAP, organisations that exist to collect and distribute royalties on behalf of songwriters (including both lyricists and instrumental composers, i.e. composers of tabs). I'm sure tabs, like lyrics, are available all over the web for free, but Wikipedia policy prohibits including them here. Sorry. Augustus Chip (talk) 01:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-06T01:23:00.000Z","author":"Augustus Chip","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Augustus_Chip-2008-03-06T01:23:00.000Z-24.3.37.100-2006-10-24T07:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Official Bootlegs?

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"Offical Bootlegs" is an oxymoron. Regret Tenenbaum (talk) 02:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-05T02:28:00.000Z","author":"Regret Tenenbaum","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Regret_Tenenbaum-2008-03-05T02:28:00.000Z-Official_Bootlegs?","replies":["c-Augustus_Chip-2008-03-06T01:23:00.000Z-Regret_Tenenbaum-2008-03-05T02:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

True. However, this is not the first place I've seen that oxymoron used to describe the type of records listed in that category of the template. I have the impression that most of these records were originally made available to members of Sonic Death, Sonic Youth's official fan club. Basically, they are the type of material that doesn't have broad enough appeal to warrant a full-scale record release; it's the type of stuff that is traditionally the domain of bootleg records, but given an authorised, small-scale release by the band so that interested fans don't need to resort to purchasing bootlegs (over which the band would have no way to maintain quality control). "Fan Club Releases" would be a viable alternate name for that category, except that there is at least one item on the list that was not a fan club release: The Walls Have Ears, if I'm remembering my Our Band Could Be Your Life correctly, was issued, without consulting the band, by their UK record label Blast First, then withdrawn when the band objected. There may be other non-fan club stuff in that category, too, I'm not familiar with all those titles. I used to have Hold That Tiger in what I think was some sort of reissue (sold through at least one record store) on the Goofin'/Father Yod record label, which I believe was some kind of microscopic/esoteric record label of which Thurston was part owner (or possibly just close friends with the owner); I left it in the CD player of a friend-from-out-of-town's car without even having heard it all the way through, then promptly forgot about it until she left town and I completely lost touch with her. Still have the jewel case, though. *sigh* Augustus Chip (talk) 01:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-06T01:23:00.000Z","author":"Augustus Chip","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Augustus_Chip-2008-03-06T01:23:00.000Z-Regret_Tenenbaum-2008-03-05T02:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Sonic Youth s/t album

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Please ensure this is left in the "albums" section of the template. It may only have five tracks but the band consider it to be their first album, making Confusion is Sex the second and so on. There is a reference to their website on the album's page that confirms this. Guntrip (talk) 10:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-12T10:12:00.000Z","author":"Guntrip","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Guntrip-2010-03-12T10:12:00.000Z-Sonic_Youth_s\/t_album","replies":[]}}-->

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Thurston Moore navbox

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I started a sandbox version of a {{Thurston Moore}} navbox. Someone made a {{Chelsea Light Moving}}, but in a Rolling Stone interview, he says that CLM has actually been his backing band for awhile.[1]. I wanted something more comprehensive, covering his solo efforts and side-projects, etc. Feel free to comment. StevePrutz (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-28T15:12:00.000Z","author":"Steveprutz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Steveprutz-2013-08-28T15:12:00.000Z-Thurston_Moore_navbox","replies":[]}}-->

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Band members in bold

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Is it really controversial to put Gordon, Moore, Ranaldo and Shelley in the first line in bold in the template? These four members played on the largest number of albums, including the three that were important enough to get deluxe re-releases - Daydream Nation, Goo and Dirty.

Ibold joined on the last album and AFAIK it his departure was never announced, so I would be OK with leaving him in, but common sense hints me that the above four members should be in the first line nevertheless. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:38, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-23T08:38:00.000Z","author":"Amire80","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amire80-2013-12-23T08:38:00.000Z-Band_members_in_bold","replies":[],"displayName":"Amir E. Aharoni"}}-->