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Template talk:McLaren
Is all the "year" infomation in this template really necessary? I think just a simple list of models would suffice, as in template:Renault F1, template:Toyota F1, template:Honda F1, etc -- DH85868993 12:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-04T12:57:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DH85868993-2007-05-04T12:57:00.000Z-Format","replies":["c-DH85868993-2007-12-10T14:23:00.000Z-DH85868993-2007-05-04T12:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Removed (ages ago). DH85868993 (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-10T14:23:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DH85868993-2007-12-10T14:23:00.000Z-DH85868993-2007-05-04T12:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Is there any way to get "one and a half" line spacing between the "Current personnel", "Former personnel", "Current drivers" and "World Champions" lines? I find single spacing (this version) too close and double spacing (this version) too spread. DH85868993 (talk) 15:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-28T15:08:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DH85868993-2009-07-28T15:08:00.000Z-Line_spacing","replies":[]}}-->
Ron Dennis is listed as "former personnel" of McLaren; this is incorrect. Ron remains Chairman and CEO of the McLaren Group.Sbz5809 (talk) 12:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-10T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Sbz5809","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sbz5809-2009-09-10T12:13:00.000Z-Ron_Dennis","replies":["c-DH85868993-2009-09-12T09:26:00.000Z-Sbz5809-2009-09-10T12:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Hmm. Tricky. The template is principally focussed on the racing team, and in that context Dennis is "former personnel". But I recognise that the template does include non-racing-team elements (i.e. the "Road cars" section). So I guess we need to decide the scope of the template and update accordingly. DH85868993 (talk) 09:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-12T09:26:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DH85868993-2009-09-12T09:26:00.000Z-Sbz5809-2009-09-10T12:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
That's precisely my point; the McLaren Automotive page correctly lists Ron Dennis among "key people", but the MP4-12C page, despite acknowledging McLaren Automotive as the manufacturer, shows data referring to the racing team.Sbz5809 (talk) 08:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-14T08:19:00.000Z","author":"Sbz5809","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sbz5809-2009-09-14T08:19:00.000Z-Ron_Dennis","replies":["c-DH85868993-2009-09-14T09:41:00.000Z-Sbz5809-2009-09-14T08:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
- I'll raise the matter at WT:F1 in hopes of reaching a wider audience. DH85868993 (talk) 09:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-14T09:41:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DH85868993-2009-09-14T09:41:00.000Z-Sbz5809-2009-09-14T08:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Darth_Newdar-2009-09-14T13:28:00.000Z-DH85868993-2009-09-14T09:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
- As far as I can see, the template is focused on the Formula One team, so he is correctly listed in the "former personnel" section, as far as the F1 team go. If there was a McLaren Group template, he would be current personnel. Darth Newdar talk 13:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-14T13:28:00.000Z","author":"Darth Newdar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Darth_Newdar-2009-09-14T13:28:00.000Z-DH85868993-2009-09-14T09:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Apterygial-2009-09-14T14:09:00.000Z-Darth_Newdar-2009-09-14T13:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Seems to be both to be honest - what with the McLaren group cars at the bottom. I would have instinctively said Dennis is currently a McLaren person, so should be listed under that row. Don't listen to Max or Bernie, he's still there. Apterygial 14:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-14T14:09:00.000Z","author":"Apterygial","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Apterygial-2009-09-14T14:09:00.000Z-Darth_Newdar-2009-09-14T13:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Darth_Newdar-2009-09-14T16:43:00.000Z-Apterygial-2009-09-14T14:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Aptery"}}-->
- I would say that the problem, then, is what is this template for - is it for the McLaren Group, the Formula One team, or both? Maybe we need two templates - one for the McLaren Group, and one for the Formula One team? Ferrari, Renault and Toyota all have separate templates for the F1 team, and the other parts of the company or brand. Darth Newdar talk 16:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-14T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Darth Newdar","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Darth_Newdar-2009-09-14T16:43:00.000Z-Apterygial-2009-09-14T14:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hi. I'm not sure it's appropriate to classify the M2A as a Formula Libre/Formula 5000 car either because whilst it did compete in at least one F5000 race, that's not what it was designed or primarily used for. Maybe there should be a 'development car' section? SamH (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-04T10:36:00.000Z","author":"SamH","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SamH-2010-06-04T10:36:00.000Z-M2A","replies":["c-DH85868993-2010-06-04T11:11:00.000Z-SamH-2010-06-04T10:36:00.000Z"]}}-->
- I'd be happy with that. DH85868993 (talk) 11:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-04T11:11:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DH85868993-2010-06-04T11:11:00.000Z-SamH-2010-06-04T10:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
I notice the McLaren Group shareholders and their percentages have been added, but I don't think it's a good idea to state that Daimler own 11% because they are in the process of gradually selling their share to McLaren. I believe the 11% comes from something Martin Whitmarsh said in March, so is unlikely to be correct now. Maybe we should get rid of the shareholders, or at least their percentages, until it's clear that Daimler have completed the selling of their share? SamH (talk) 11:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-21T11:48:00.000Z","author":"SamH","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SamH-2010-06-21T11:48:00.000Z-Shareholders","replies":["c-Trident13-2010-07-25T20:54:00.000Z-SamH-2010-06-21T11:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
- The problem is, your edit removed Ron Dennis! (as you later noticed) Secondly, the stakes are well publicised in the media from Whitmarsh's quotes, as you could have checked at the main article where the percentages are stated. Reverted back to an earlier version that included the shareholders, its well ref'd. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-25T20:54:00.000Z","author":"Trident13","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Trident13-2010-07-25T20:54:00.000Z-SamH-2010-06-21T11:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-SamH-2010-07-26T08:39:00.000Z-Trident13-2010-07-25T20:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
- I put Ron Dennis back so that wasn't a problem. The reason I removed the info on shareholdings is not because of the lack of a reference, but because the only source material is from March when Whitmarsh said "I think it is about 11 percent". That was four months after the announcement was made that Daimler were selling their 40% share, so another four months on, surely the 11% figure is going to be incorrect? Why should we include material that is likely to be incorrect? SamH (talk) 08:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-26T08:39:00.000Z","author":"SamH","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SamH-2010-07-26T08:39:00.000Z-Trident13-2010-07-25T20:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-SamH-2010-11-08T10:48:00.000Z-SamH-2010-07-26T08:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Trident, why did you revert this again, claiming my edit was vandalism? I edited it for the reason described above. Do you not agree that the shareholding is almost certainly not as claimed on the template?SamH (talk) 10:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T10:48:00.000Z","author":"SamH","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SamH-2010-11-08T10:48:00.000Z-SamH-2010-07-26T08:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Many of the people listed in this template were never present while the team were sponsored by Vodafone. Similarly some of them predate the Mercedes era. I'm going to trim these elements to remove the ambiguity and make it like the other F1 team templates. Crispmuncher (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-09T19:28:00.000Z","author":"Crispmuncher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crispmuncher-2011-10-09T19:28:00.000Z-Vodafone_McLaren_Mercedes","replies":[]}}-->
Doesn't seem to belong in a template for titled McLaren Racing. It seems to me that there should either be (at least) two templates, one for McLaren and one for McLaren Racing or there should be a single template for the whole group. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.112.205.68 (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","author":"94.112.205.68","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z-Road_cars","replies":["c-DH85868993-2018-01-18T09:55:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","c-Springee-2018-01-18T12:26:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","c-Tvx1-2018-01-18T18:53:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","c-Typ932-2018-01-18T18:56:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","c-DeFacto-2018-01-18T19:01:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","c-Stepho-wrs-2018-01-19T09:19:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
- I have advertised this discussion at WikiProject Formula One and WikiProject Automobiles. DH85868993 (talk) 09:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-18T09:55:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DH85868993-2018-01-18T09:55:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
- Given the relatively small number of McLaren road cars I would suggest a single template for all. How is this handled with other brands? Springee (talk) 12:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-18T12:26:00.000Z","author":"Springee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Springee-2018-01-18T12:26:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
- The road cars didn't belong here. They are not produced by McLaren Racing but by McLaren Automotive, which is a separate company which already has its own template here. We don't list the road cars in the constructor templates of Caterham, Ferrari, Lotus, Marussia, Spyker and Mercedes either.Tvx1 18:53, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-18T18:53:00.000Z","author":"Tvx1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tvx1-2018-01-18T18:53:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"T"}}-->
- If the template is for racing company then only racing cars and vice versa, if you want to include all cars template title should be changed, IMO they could be all in the same because they have relatively low numebrs of road cars -->Typ932 T·C 18:56, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-18T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Typ932","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Typ932-2018-01-18T18:56:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
- The road cars and racing cars belong in different templates as they are produced by two different enterprises. -- DeFacto (talk). 19:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-18T19:01:00.000Z","author":"DeFacto","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DeFacto-2018-01-18T19:01:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
- Yeah, 2 separate companies with 2 separate templates, looks like they should remain split. Stepho talk 09:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-19T09:19:00.000Z","author":"Stepho-wrs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Stepho-wrs-2018-01-19T09:19:00.000Z-94.112.205.68-2018-01-17T23:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-DH85868993-2018-01-30T10:51:00.000Z-Stepho-wrs-2018-01-19T09:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Stepho"}}-->
- I've also removed the link to McLaren M838T engine - as far as I'm aware it's nothing to do with the racing team. (Feel free to revert my edit if that's incorrect). I think the link logically belongs at Template:McLaren Automotive, but other similar "road car timeline" templates don't seem to include links to engine articles. DH85868993 (talk) 10:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-30T10:51:00.000Z","author":"DH85868993","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-DH85868993-2018-01-30T10:51:00.000Z-Stepho-wrs-2018-01-19T09:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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