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the photo.

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it's a bad photo that makes him look like some sort of monster. It should be flattering as it is a series template and thus is about his whole career. Arglebargle79 (talk) 10:29, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-10T10:29:00.000Z","author":"Arglebargle79","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Arglebargle79-2020-04-10T10:29:00.000Z-the_photo.","replies":["c-JustinTime55-2021-03-09T23:46:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2020-04-10T10:29:00.000Z","c-JustinTime55-2021-03-09T23:51:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2020-04-10T10:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

I wouldn't say it makes him look like a monster; it's just old from when he was Obama's VP, and it's time for an update. There are at least a couple of goood candidates available on Commons. The White House web page may never get around to dubbing an "official White House portrait". Several photos taken by White House photographers have been dubbed "official". @Pseud 14: where is this "consensus" of which you speak? JustinTime55 (talk) 23:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-09T23:46:00.000Z","author":"JustinTime55","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JustinTime55-2021-03-09T23:46:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2020-04-10T10:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I found the discussion on Talk:Joe Biden#New picture? Pseud 14, I see you did not participate in it. JustinTime55 (talk) 23:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-09T23:51:00.000Z","author":"JustinTime55","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JustinTime55-2021-03-09T23:51:00.000Z-Arglebargle79-2020-04-10T10:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Seal

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Shouldn't the seal be File:Biden transition logo.png for now, since he is the president-elect? Ahmad^talk 09:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-09T09:00:00.000Z","author":"Ahmad252","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ahmad252-2020-11-09T09:00:00.000Z-Seal","replies":["c-JustinTime55-2021-02-19T22:13:00.000Z-Ahmad252-2020-11-09T09:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Ahmad"}}-->

There is no such office as "President elect"; therefore there is no such official seal. Biden made that bullshit up. It's moot now anyway, since he is now in the real office (President). JustinTime55 (talk) 22:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-19T22:13:00.000Z","author":"JustinTime55","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JustinTime55-2021-02-19T22:13:00.000Z-Ahmad252-2020-11-09T09:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Can't collapse it

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Why doesn't |state=collapsed work? JustinTime55 (talk) 22:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-19T22:21:00.000Z","author":"JustinTime55","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JustinTime55-2021-02-19T22:21:00.000Z-Can't_collapse_it","replies":[]}}-->

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'President of the United States: Incumbent'

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I don't see why towards the top of the sidebar there's a part reading President of the United States then a linebreak before 'Incumbent' at the top, despite there being another section for 'Presidency'. This seemed odd to me, as this cannot be found in any other political leader, former and president sidebars that I've looked at (incumbents (Johnson, PM of UK, Rama, PM of Albania, Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, Draghi, PM of Italy, Ardern, PM of New Zealand and Morrison, PM of Australia) or former leader sidebars). I believe this should be changed to remove the irregularity in comparison to sidebars of those serving the same role across the world. Fixing26 (talk) 20:34, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-27T20:34:00.000Z","author":"Fixing26","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fixing26-2021-04-27T20:34:00.000Z-'President_of_the_United_States:_Incumbent'","replies":[]}}-->

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I have moved Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign to mainspace

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Biden and his proxies have repeatedly said that he is running, which I think is enough to have a live article on the campaign. Basically, every appearance, trip, or event by a sitting president who intends to seek reelection has a dimension of being towards winning that reelection. Even if Biden were to decide not to run at this point, that would be more like a declared candidate dropping out (which we cover) than a possible candidate never declaring. BD2412 T 06:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220721063100","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BD2412-20220721063100-I_have_moved_Joe_Biden_2024_presidential_campaign_to_mainspace","replies":["c-Przemysl15-20220722061500-BD2412-20220721063100"]}}-->

I disagree on the basis that Biden and his proxies have repeatedly stated that he is going to run, which is very different from actually running. Clearly there is speculation about his campaign, but to claim that it is current and ongoing I think is not supported by the consensus of reliable sources. Przemysl15 (talk) 06:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220722061500","author":"Przemysl15","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Przemysl15-20220722061500-BD2412-20220721063100","replies":["c-BD2412-20220722064600-Przemysl15-20220722061500"]}}-->

I put this in the category of Star Trek: Planet of the Titans—an unproduced film about which so much was reported that it is still notable despite never passing the writing stage. Biden's unequivocally stated re-election aspirations have had an effect on the political field equivalent to a declaration of candidacy, and this has been the subject of coverage in reliable sources. Also, I think it is hard to say that there really is not a current and ongoing campaign. Once the sitting president says that he "is going to run", what can he do in office that would not be seen as promoting his re-election? BD2412 T 06:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220722064600","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BD2412-20220722064600-Przemysl15-20220722061500","replies":[]}}-->

I am shocked and surprised that such an experienced Wikipedian doesn't know better and thinks he can get away with this. I put your "Planet of the Titans" argument in the category of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. As far as what a sitting president can do that is not seen as promoting re-election, how about Lyndon Johnson's statement on May 31, 1968? Would you have such a passionate view about a president you didn't like?

As Przemysl15 says, saying he "is going to run" is not saying he will run. And I agree there is no perceivable consensus of reliable sources; Biden's public approval, mental faculties, and chances of reelection are seen as controversial and rated differently by different sources; this is a matter of opinion. You can't just dismiss sources you don't like

Here are some reminders of the pertinent "crystal ball" policy:

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basically every page that uses this template has as its preview image Bidens signature that is at the bottom of this template. especially with the new default skin using preview images in the search this looks particularly unfortunate. Is there some technical way to fix this, at least having the portrait at the top of the template show up first? I dont know why exactly images in an infobox at the top of the article dont seem to get picked up properly, but fixing that is beyond the scope of this (whats even the proper place to file that?) --jonas (talk) 22:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230611223500","author":"Jonas1015119","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonas1015119-20230611223500-preview_images","replies":[],"displayName":"jonas"}}-->