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Revised 2012-06-04

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updated after few minutes

I have revised in five ways:

1. simple display title --this box should navigate all things Jack Vance, see below
2. simple group names -- the word "series" is redundant. What has been the criterion for italics?
3. add cat Dying Earth as "(directory)" under its group name --see below
4. add "The House of Iszm" to the end of its list in established format --how are these stories ordered? why use italics?
5. hide code for {{authority control}} --That template is deprecated here, no matter where it is placed, so it is appropriate now to hide the code in a comment

About 3 (and 1). Certainly cat Dying Earth should be included here in effect. Somewhere else I have added "Category: X" to a Related list. With very few pages distinct from the four books, maybe each should be added directly, as a Dying Earth subgroup:

list extended twice, beyond contents of cat Dying Earth

Related: List of Dying Earth characters, Songs of the Dying Earth, Dying Earth (subgenre), The Excellent Prismatic Spray

About 4 (and 2). Do all stories in the list lie outside the fiction series that are groups here? If so then group name "Short fiction outside those series" will be clear and correct. --P64 (talk) 19:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T19:34:00.000Z","author":"P64","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-P64-2012-06-04T19:34:00.000Z-Revised_2012-06-04","replies":["c-Narayan-2012-06-12T19:10:00.000Z-P64-2012-06-04T19:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good work. Is there any rule about the use of italics in templates (4)? Maybe we should use an alphabetic order? Or do we use the year of publication and do we add a year to each story?--Narayan (talk) 19:10, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-12T19:10:00.000Z","author":"Narayan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Narayan-2012-06-12T19:10:00.000Z-P64-2012-06-04T19:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-P64-2012-06-12T21:53:00.000Z-Narayan-2012-06-12T19:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

For me those questions are open but a little more reading about navboxen may close them, as there may be guidelines worth following. Certainly there is no reason to replicate the order of listing in his biography/bibliography.

"The House of Iszm" --it is now listed twice, wasn't previously overlooked but classified differently. We should follow ISFDB regarding what is a novel unless we know that it is in error by word count. --P64 (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-12T21:53:00.000Z","author":"P64","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-P64-2012-06-12T21:53:00.000Z-Narayan-2012-06-12T19:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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"See also" section

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• What about adding "Baron Bodissey"? And do we include The Excellent Prismatic Spray as related to Dying Earth? I also wonder if we should include Mazirian the Magician and Liane the Wayfarer and remove the directory instead?
• I also discovered the article Turjan, but I guess we better create a redirect there.
• Sarkoy, Dar Sai and Kirth Gersen are also Vance related articles, but might not be encyclopedic at all.
• We also have the Bad Ronald movie adaptation.

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Is there any reason not to replace The Excellent Prismatic Spray by a redirect to Dying Earth#Legacy, where I have downgraded it from an elaborate See also?

Navarth ...

Feel free to edit this progress trackbox ;-)

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I totally support the idea of replacing The Excellent Prismatic Spray with the redirect.

 Done--Narayan (talk) 18:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-19T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Narayan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Narayan-2012-06-19T18:29:00.000Z-P64-2012-06-12T21:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'd say to keep "Gaean Reach" and "Baron Bodissey" together as they keep on returning through the different (unrelated) stories. I'm not sure about adding "Navarth" here as well.

 Done for the "Gaean Reach" and "Baron Bodissey" part, not sure about Navarth though --Narayan (talk) 18:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-19T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Narayan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Narayan-2012-06-19T18:29:00.000Z-P64-2012-06-12T21:48:00.000Z-1","replies":[]}}-->

I propose a merge of "Sarkoy", "Dar Sai" and "Kirth Gersen" with Demon_Princes#Setting--Narayan (talk) 19:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-13T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Narayan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Narayan-2012-06-13T19:36:00.000Z-P64-2012-06-12T21:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have added Ellery Queen (house name) to the live navbox; added that and relocated Baron Bodissey in the workbox immediately above. --P64 (talk) 19:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-19T19:57:00.000Z","author":"P64","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-P64-2012-06-19T19:57:00.000Z-\"See_also\"_section","replies":["c-P64-2012-06-19T21:32:00.000Z-P64-2012-06-19T19:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Category:Dying Earth subgenre discovered by accident --P64 (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-19T21:32:00.000Z","author":"P64","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-P64-2012-06-19T21:32:00.000Z-P64-2012-06-19T19:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Other novels

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For this group I don't entirely understand the ordering principle. Here I have inserted a hidden comment that the first 16 thru Lurulu match the chronological listing at Jack Vance#Non-series science fiction novels; are the last five other genres? This needs attention in the biography Jack Vance#Characteristics and commentary, where there are many books covered in prose that are not in the following Selected works. --P64 (talk) 19:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-19T19:57:00.000Z","author":"P64","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-P64-2012-06-19T19:57:00.000Z-Other_novels","replies":[]}}-->