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What kind of election was there in 1910 before the November legislative one? Another legislative one? Which month? Help! —Nightstallion(?)17:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T17:16:00.000Z","author":"Nightstallion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T17:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T17:46:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T17:16:00.000Z","c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:13:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T17:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nightst"}}-->
Another legislative one. They took place on August 8, 1910.--Yannismarou17:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T17:46:00.000Z","author":"Yannismarou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T17:46:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T17:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T18:18:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T17:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
Great, thanks! Another minor detail: Greece *did* elect their MEPs for the first time in 1981 after they joined, not just in 1984, right? —Nightstallion(?)18:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Nightstallion","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T18:18:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T17:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T18:26:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T18:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nightst"}}-->
Aha! I think that in 1981 the MEPs were appointed not elected. I'm almost sure that the first elections took place in 1984.--Yannismarou18:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T18:26:00.000Z","author":"Yannismarou","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T18:26:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T18:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:05:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T18:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
Nah, I've got a directly contradictory reference to that, which even states precisely *when* MEPs used to be elected -- only before 1979. It further states that "24 Greek Members were delegated to the EP by the Greek Parliament, to be replaced in October 1981 by directly elected Members." Is that evidence enough? I'm not sure, so I'm asking for further opinions... —Nightstallion(?)19:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Nightstallion","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:05:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T18:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Nightst"}}-->
Oups! You are right! The elections took place on October 18, 1981. And these are the results:
PASOK: 40,12% (10 seats)
ND: 31,34% (8 seats)
Κ.Κ.Ε.:12,84% (3 seats)
KKE of interior: 5,29% (5 seats)
KODISO: 4,25% (1 seat)--Yannismarou19:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Yannismarou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:13:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T17:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:23:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
Neat, thanks! Where did you find the info about the 1910 elections and the 1981 EP election? —Nightstallion(?)19:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T19:23:00.000Z","author":"Nightstallion","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:23:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:38:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nightst"}}-->
For the elections of 1981, check this link [1]. It is in Greek, but it is the best table I could find for 1981. If you can't figure out the parties tell me. Unfortunately, the Greek Interior Ministry has results only for the European Elections after 1999 (?!!!). For 1910, it is a Greek Book of mine ("Texts of Constitutional History") of Constitutional history (I also used it as a source in other elections as well; check: Greek legislative election, December 1915 among others).--Yannismarou19:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T19:38:00.000Z","author":"Yannismarou","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:38:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:50:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
No problem with figuring out the parties, having learned Ancient Greek for four years has to be good for something. (In this case, being able to read Greek. ;)) Thanks a lot for your quick help! —Nightstallion(?)19:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T19:50:00.000Z","author":"Nightstallion","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:50:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T19:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T20:13:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nightst"}}-->
Ha! Ha! Happy ancient Greeks did not go for nothing. I learned only for two years, although I am a Greek! Whatever ... I was confused, because indeed the first Greek deputies were appointed in 1981, but within the same year proper elections took place. A question of mine now: You removed the local elections from the template. Which is the reasoning? Should I create a seperate template as in European Elections. Thanks!--Yannismarou20:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T20:13:00.000Z","author":"Yannismarou","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T20:13:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T19:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T20:58:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T20:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
Ah, good that you ask -- you should ask User:Number 57, though, (s)he's the one who's doing all that template standardising currently. :) —Nightstallion(?)20:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T20:58:00.000Z","author":"Nightstallion","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Nightstallion-2007-01-03T20:58:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-03T20:13:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Nightst"}}-->
I have been doing the standardisation of election templates, and there are at least three reasons why I have not included local or european elections in the main election templates series
The templates are aimed at votes with national significance (i.e. that affect national policy) such as parliamentary, presidential and Senate votes or referenda. Local and european elections have differing aims and issues
Local/regional and european elections are also carried out in differing ways to national elections (for instance, Gibraltar is part of the UK for european elections, but has its own parliament for its national affairs). Differing parties, electoral systems and boundaries all pop up in these cases.
The third issue is size. Take the UK for example. Theoretically we could end up with a template box that includes:
National General elections
European Union elections
Scottish parliament elections
Welsh assembly elections
Northern Irish assembly elections
County Council elections
Town council elections
Parish council elections
Mayoral elections for several cities
and possibly House of Lords elections at some point in the future!
I believe the line has to be drawn somewhere, and if local elections were allowed (this generally refers to county council elections in the UK), what's to say someone wouldn't then want Mayoral elections and so on. I think that between national and local is the best place to make the cut-off to avoid huge templates (the EU one already fills the screen on the 800x600 resolution!).
I think there is a need for a local elections template. Possibly for some countries it could take the form of the EU elections template with the differing regions sorted by year. It wouldn't work in the UK due to the large number of counties, but might in others.
Hope this helps explain my rationale! Number 5722:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Number_57-2007-01-03T22:34:00.000Z-Standardisation","replies":["c-Yannismarou-2007-01-04T15:04:00.000Z-Number_57-2007-01-03T22:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for the clarification.--Yannismarou15:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-04T15:04:00.000Z","author":"Yannismarou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yannismarou-2007-01-04T15:04:00.000Z-Number_57-2007-01-03T22:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fys-2007-02-02T19:56:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-04T15:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
Please note this is just Number 57's own devising and not Wikipedia policy or anything. And Number 57 has some dotty ideas, like the fact that Robert Mugabe and Ian Smith must really be the same man. Fys. “Tafysaym”. 19:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T19:56:00.000Z","author":"Fys","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fys-2007-02-02T19:56:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2007-01-04T15:04:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Ta"}}-->
Because it didn't happen. Number5711:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-08T11:02:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2021-08-08T11:02:00.000Z-KajenCAT-2021-08-08T08:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
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