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Template talk:Estonian elections
An "official" list of past elections is available at the Estonian National Electoral Committee web site: [1]
- Elections to the Congress of the USSR People's Deputies 26.03.1989
- Elections to the Local Councils of People's Deputies 10.12.1989
- Elections to the Estonian Congress 24.02 - 01.03.1990 C
- Elections to the Estonian Supreme Council 18.03.1990
- Referendum on Independence 03.03.1991
- Referendum on the Constitution 28.06.1992
- Elections to the Parliament, Riigikogu 20.09.1992
- Presidential Elections 20.09.1992
- Elections to Local Government Councils 17.10.1993
- Elections to the Parliament, Riigikogu 05.03.1995
- Election of the President of the Republic of Estonia, August-September 1996
- Local Government Council Elections 20.10.1996
- Elections to the Parliament, Riigikogu 07.03.1999
- Local Government Council Elections 17.10.1999
It is notable, that the list includes the 1989 elections of the Congress of People's Deputies of the Soviet Union. This should also be included in the template. Also notable are the parliamentary elections of 1940. -- Petri Krohn 07:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-14T07:56:00.000Z","author":"Petri Krohn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Petri_Krohn-2007-05-14T07:56:00.000Z-List_of_elections","replies":["c-Number_57-2007-05-14T08:29:00.000Z-Petri_Krohn-2007-05-14T07:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
- I don't think the election to the USSR Congress warrants inclusion here, as it was not an election for Estonia unlike the one for Estonia's Supreme Soviet (just as I wouldn't include the Scottish part of the UK general election on the Scottish elections template). As far as I understand the 1992 Presidential election was a public ballot, whilst the 1996 election was carried out through the Riigikogu and local councillors and thus shouldn't be included. If you have any dates for local elections since 1999 I'll create a new local elections template. Number 57 08:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-14T08:29:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2007-05-14T08:29:00.000Z-Petri_Krohn-2007-05-14T07:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
Judging by the fact, that the original web link specified above doesn't work anymore, but the article in the current version of the Electoral Committee page about presidential elections (here) lists elections since 1992 and after, shouldn't these be added to the infobox? --Ivario (talk) 15:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-08T15:35:00.000Z","author":"Ivario","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ivario-2019-11-08T15:35:00.000Z-List_of_elections","replies":["c-Number_57-2019-11-08T17:23:00.000Z-Ivario-2019-11-08T15:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
- No; this series of templates do not include indirect presidential elections, hence why there are no presidential elections prior to 2013 in {{Czech elections}} or since 1932 in {{German elections}}. However, we could create a separate template for the indirect presidential elections like {{German presidential elections}}, {{Israeli presidential elections}} etc. Cheers, Number 57 17:23, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-08T17:23:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2019-11-08T17:23:00.000Z-Ivario-2019-11-08T15:35:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
Soviet elections have different template. These do not belong here. As all other countries' templates – Ireland for example has Template:Elections and referendums in the Republic of Ireland, Elections in the Kingdom of Ireland and Elections in Ireland as part of the UK. Start by adding UK elections to Republic of Ireland elections template. Klõps (talk) 14:24, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-21T14:24:00.000Z","author":"Kl\u00f5ps","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T14:24:00.000Z-Soviet_Elections","replies":["c-Number_57-2018-04-21T14:28:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T14:24:00.000Z","c-Nug-2018-04-22T02:29:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T14:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
- They only have a separate template because it was created within the last few days and hopefully will be deleted shortly. Ireland is not an accurate comparison because ROI and Ireland are not the same geographic entities. {{Lithuanian elections}} is an appropriate comparison. Number 57 14:28, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-21T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2018-04-21T14:28:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T14:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T15:01:00.000Z-Number_57-2018-04-21T14:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
- Elections in Lithuania is a total mess. And contrary to Your point Lithuania has had large geographical changes. Secondly how the title parliamentary elections links to Seimas – which is not related to Supreme Soviet under the Soviet occupation. Estonia has lost 6% of its territory to Russia, Lithuania has gained a lot with the Vilnius region, maybe even more than the 17% that Northern Ireland makes up of the Irish island. The geographical argument is nonsense.Klõps (talk) 15:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-21T15:01:00.000Z","author":"Kl\u00f5ps","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T15:01:00.000Z-Number_57-2018-04-21T14:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Number_57-2018-04-21T15:34:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T15:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
- I'm not going to repeat the same arguments already made on my talk page about geographical areas because this is getting extremely tiresome. The templates always link to the current parliament and there are numerous cases where there have been other historical legislatures (see e.g. {{South African elections}}, {{Portuguese elections}}, {{Nepalese elections}}, {{Sri Lankan elections}} etc). Number 57 15:34, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-21T15:34:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Number_57-2018-04-21T15:34:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T15:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T20:46:00.000Z-Number_57-2018-04-21T15:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
- These countries either have not been part of a bigger entity or are really far and different. Closer examples such as Yugoslavia – Template:Croatian elections, Template:Serbia and Montenegro elections etc or Template:Czechoslovakian elections with Template:Czech elections and Template:Slovak elections. Klõps (talk) 20:46, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-21T20:46:00.000Z","author":"Kl\u00f5ps","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T20:46:00.000Z-Number_57-2018-04-21T15:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Number_57-2018-04-22T03:35:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T20:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
- The Czech and Slovak templates contain elections to their respective legislatures during the Czechoslovakian period. Czechoslovakian and Yugoslavian templates are for national elections (the equivalent for here is {{Soviet elections}}). Number 57 03:35, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-22T03:35:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Number_57-2018-04-22T03:35:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T20:46:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
- I agree with Klõps. Also Number57 wrongly claims elsewhere[2] that this is some kind of attempt at trying to make it appear that Estonia was not part of the USSR, which is total nonsense. It is like claiming the template {{Croatian elections}} makes it appear Croatia was not a part of Yugoslavia, which is clearly not the case. --Nug (talk) 02:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-22T02:29:00.000Z","author":"Nug","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nug-2018-04-22T02:29:00.000Z-Kl\u00f5ps-2018-04-21T14:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
@Pelmeen10, Flying Saucer, and H2ppyme: I see user: Number 57 reverting my edits related to presidential elections. Is it justified to omit here presidential elections up to year 2016, like it is in etwiki: et: Mall:Eesti valimised. Details (direct presidential elections or not direct) should be mentioned in corresponding articles. At the moment, solution seems user-unfriendly--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-03T06:55:00.000Z","author":"Estopedist1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Estopedist1-2020-04-03T06:55:00.000Z-Omitting_presidential_elections?","replies":["c-Number_57-2020-04-03T08:13:00.000Z-Estopedist1-2020-04-03T06:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
- As I've repeatedly tried to point out, the main national election/referendum templates only include direct elections, which is why templates like {{Czech elections}}, {{German elections}} and {{Turkish elections}} only include the years when their respective presidents were directly elected. The indirect ones have their own template ({{Estonian presidential elections}}). If you are unwilling to listen to me, other elections-related editors @Aréat, Impru20, and Nightstallion: are also welcome to weigh in. Out of interest, why did you ignore the note in the template that said please don't add indirect presidential elections? Number 57 08:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-03T08:13:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2020-04-03T08:13:00.000Z-Estopedist1-2020-04-03T06:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ar\u00e9at-2020-04-03T12:21:00.000Z-Number_57-2020-04-03T08:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
- It's indeed a long time rule of the english wiki not to include indirect election in elections templates. Please don't push unilateral changes. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 12:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-03T12:21:00.000Z","author":"Ar\u00e9at","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ar\u00e9at-2020-04-03T12:21:00.000Z-Number_57-2020-04-03T08:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Impru20-2020-04-03T19:14:00.000Z-Ar\u00e9at-2020-04-03T12:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Agree that we should not be linking indirect elections in such templates. After all, these are parliamentary votes and not proper elections within the scope of these templates. In those cases, it's better advised to create a separate template for parliamentary elections of presidents, such as done for Italy. Impru20talk 19:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-03T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Impru20","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Impru20-2020-04-03T19:14:00.000Z-Ar\u00e9at-2020-04-03T12:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
taking apart {{Estonian presidential elections}} from the template in question seems to be objectively bad solution. So I did solution which put picture together--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-05T11:01:00.000Z","author":"Estopedist1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Estopedist1-2020-04-05T11:01:00.000Z-Omitting_presidential_elections?","replies":["c-Number_57-2020-04-05T11:19:00.000Z-Estopedist1-2020-04-05T11:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
- You cannot ignore the comments above. Numerous other countries have separate templates for their presidential elections. Please stop your unilateral edits. Thanks, Number 57 11:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-05T11:19:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2020-04-05T11:19:00.000Z-Estopedist1-2020-04-05T11:01:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->
I've reverted this edit by Number 57 [3] (note the offensive edit comment). The consensus is that election templates are separated out by the legal entity, see for example, the separate templates for {{East German elections}} and {{German elections}}. Exactly the same treatment in the case of the Estonian Republic and ESSR. --Nug (talk) 00:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-28T00:20:00.000Z","author":"Nug","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nug-2021-10-28T00:20:00.000Z-Reverted_edit_by_Number_57","replies":["c-Primefac-2021-10-28T08:44:00.000Z-Nug-2021-10-28T00:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Courtesy ping to Number 57 just on the off chance they are not watching this page. Primefac (talk) 08:44, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-28T08:44:00.000Z","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Primefac-2021-10-28T08:44:00.000Z-Nug-2021-10-28T00:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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