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Consensus clarification

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The following thread segment has been copied from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese Guyanese; and this segment is also copied to Talk:Japanese diaspora -- consensus clarification needed?

To put this thread in a context -- The AfD for Japanese Guyanese was based on the fact that the sole reference source from a Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs website reported that there were only two Japanese expatriates in the country. The following exchange suggests issues which may be more fully developed and resolved in this setting? --Tenmei (talk) 02:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-27T02:39:00.000Z","author":"Tenmei","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tenmei-2008-10-27T02:39:00.000Z-Consensus_clarification","replies":["c-Tenmei-2008-10-24T15:51:00.000Z-Tenmei-2008-10-27T02:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Delete -- Unlike this article, the corollary articles focus on Issei, Nisei and Sansei whose citizenship has changed, e.g., Japanese Brazilians, Japanese Americans, Japanese Canadians, etc. Even if the number of Japanese expatriates in Guyana were larger, I'd guess that the rationale for for deleting this article and deleting it from Template:Japanese diaspora would seem credible and persuasive? --Tenmei (talk) 15:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-24T15:51:00.000Z","author":"Tenmei","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tenmei-2008-10-24T15:51:00.000Z-Tenmei-2008-10-27T02:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-CaliforniaAliBaba-2008-10-25T11:13:00.000Z-Tenmei-2008-10-24T15:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Not credible to me. Expatriates like Japanese people in Hong Kong or de:Japaner in Düsseldorf are notable article topics, regardless if they don't fit Japanese American/Japanese Brazilian-centric conceptions of what defines "Japanese diaspora". (And of course, no one calls them by ridiculous names like "Japanese Chinese" or "Japanese Germans" even if they take up local citizenship --- except Wikipedia users going around inventing titles to fill up templates, without bothering to do any actual reading or research on them.) cab (talk) 11:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-25T11:13:00.000Z","author":"CaliforniaAliBaba","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CaliforniaAliBaba-2008-10-25T11:13:00.000Z-Tenmei-2008-10-24T15:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tenmei-2008-10-26T16:12:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2008-10-25T11:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"cab"}}-->

I had understood Nikkei as a cognate for Japanese diaspora; and I construed the differences found in Template:Japanese diaspora as mere anomalies. CaliforniaAliBaba's comment causes me to think that this minor issue may need consensus clarification? In WP:V terms, I note that this article' sole reference citation is a MOFA web page; and in that context, it becomes relevant that in the case of other countries, Nikkei are statistically described separately from Japanese citizens living and working abroad, e.g., Japanese and ethnic Japanese in Mexico. My view is partly informed by the approach MOFA adopted in parsing the data; but, of course, I recognize this may be disregarded in our context. The narrow issue at hand is Japanese Guyanese which may be re-introduced in future; but even in the fuzzy logic terms in which Japanese people in Hong Kong might be stretched to imply a future Japanese people in Guyana, the AfD consensus for today seems best. --Tenmei (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-26T16:12:00.000Z","author":"Tenmei","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tenmei-2008-10-26T16:12:00.000Z-CaliforniaAliBaba-2008-10-25T11:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Relevant factors in exclusion/inclusion decision-making

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The thread at Talk:Japanese expatriates in the Netherlands illuminates a range of issues which are relevant in this context. Also, the AfD discussion thread at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese Jamaican provides a context for the removal of Jamaica from this template. --Tenmei (talk) 16:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-05T16:25:00.000Z","author":"Tenmei","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tenmei-2008-11-05T16:25:00.000Z-Relevant_factors_in_exclusion\/inclusion_decision-making","replies":[]}}-->

List format

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As an aide to futher discussion about what should (or should not) be incorporated in the context of this template, the following Latin American countries with statistically significant Nikkei populations are presented in the form of a list:

• Asian Argentine

• Argentina
• (in Spanish) Centro Nikkei Argentino
• (in Spanish) Descubro a los Nikkei: Preservar la cultura japonesa – nihongo gakko (escuela de idioma japonés)

• Japanese Bolivian

• Bolivia

• Japanese Brazilian

• Brazil
• (in Portuguese) Sociedade Brasileira de Cultura Japonesa e de Assistência Social

• Japanese Bolivian

• Bolivia

• Japanese Chilean

• Chile

• Japanese Colombian

• Colombia

• Japanese Costa Rican

• Costa Rica

• Japanese in Cuba

• Cuba

• Japanese settlement in the Dominican Republic

• Dominican Republic

• Japanese Mexican

• Mexico

• Japanese Paraguayan

• Paraguay
• (in Spanish) Descubro a los Nikkei: La educación de la Japonés para el Nikkei paraguayo

• Japanese Peruvian

• Peru
• (in Spanish) Información de la Colectividad Nikkei: El punto de encuentro de los nikkei

• Japanese Uruguayan

• Uruguay

• Japanese Venezuelan

• Venezuela

Other countries with Nikkei populations

• • Canada
  • United States
  • Hawaii)
  • Hong Kong
  • Philippines
  • Netherlands
  • Russia
  • Spain
  • United Kingdom
  • Australia