Talk:Windows Notepad

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On 6 July 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Microsoft Notepad to Windows Notepad. The result of the discussion was moved.

The file version (6.0.6001.18000) changed with SP1, but the product version (6.0.6000.16386) remained the same. You can see the product version on the same screen you found the file version). Not sure which version is the one we are considering. Louis Waweru  Talk  00:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

• when did N first appear?
• when did Microsoft finally add the so-called "standard" keyboard shortcuts to notepad? on my win98, Notepad is the ONLY app which doesn't respond to CTRL-S for save. Shoddy programming, and yet again, Microsoft not following its own rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarquin (talk • contribs) 10:44, 3 November 2002

As you may or may not know, WINE developed a simple text editor that looks like Notepad. Later, ReactOS took it up and is improving it (though not to over-step boundaries of "notepad replacements") and translating it... (which WINE has later re-merged ReactOS' source, even though they're still not entirely interested in improving an intentionally-limited text editor)

So my real question comes in: Where do we fit in the open source (LGPL) version, if at all? Should there be two tables for the Microsoft one and the WINE/ReactOS one? Should they be together separated by a slash, or should only the Microsoft-created editor be included in the table?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.49.152 (talk) 06:06, 11 October 2005

Unlike 'notepad replacements', there is room for 'notepad clones', like the reactos one, or even a DOS program like DOSIUS's notepad for DOS. --Wendy.krieger (talk) 07:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

In addition to limit of a 64K file size, I have found that Notepad craps out (a technical term) at around 1K lines in the file. Has anyone else noticed this limitation? Two Halves, who has happily moved over to the UniRed text editor 22:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Oh my god are people really this against Microsoft that they need to make an open source alternative for Notepad? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.186.203 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC).Reply

Well, Notepad++ is actually a lot better. Bluemoose444 15:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Is it worthwhile putting in the .LOG trick? Sclozza 09:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

• Not a bad idea I think. May also wish to mention the undocumented 'feature' described here Jonohill 14:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

• • Is it really worthwhile to make note of an ironic bug?Sclozza 04:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

• • • Yes, I believe it is. This bug causes many other applications to behave in the same manner. -- jsimlo^{(talk, cont)} 08:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

What is the latest version of Notepad available? I have 5.1 --Martin925 00:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

The latest version would be the one that has come out with the latest version of Windows. There really isn't a version "5.1" of Notepad--the "5.1" really refers to the version of Windows (Windows XP). Jason McHuff 07:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Please, stop adding the section of George Bush Reference. This bug, as you call it, is the same bug as described in the section of Notepad#Unicode detection. We do not need to mention it twice, just because it also works with the name of Bush. Especially, when I can make it work with your name too. Read the section of Notepad#Unicode detection closely, before you start writting again. -- jsimlo^(talk|cont) 13:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Since the aspect of "Notepad" is too broad, I think the article title should be changed to maintain its exclusiveness with the Microsoft Windows Operating System. --65.8.131.134 23:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Strong Agree. Why should we let anyone "steal" a common word in Wikipedia? DCDuring 22:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

The article name must change to Windows Notepad. This product is "Windows Notepad" basically everywhere. It's called that since 2001; even 1994.

• The rename (from "Notepad") to "Notepad (Windows)" on 2009-07-21 was a belated improvement.
• The rename to "Notepad (software)" on 2010-06-29 was a mistake.
• The rename to "Microsoft Notepad" on 2016-04-12 was a travesty. Many of the search hits on this less-WP:COMMONNAME are the fault of this article's mistitle. -A876 (talk) 23:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Does this article really have to be written from the point of view of someone who has never used a text editor? Chris Cunningham 14:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

I agree, I have an issue with

One notable feature of Notepad is that it does not support formatting of any kind - if text is copied from a web page and pasted into a word processor, the formatting and embedded metadata comes along with the text, and can be difficult to remove. However, if text is copied from a formatted web site, pasted into Notepad, then copied again from Notepad before being pasted into a destination program, Notepad will have stripped all of the formatting.

Isn't this more of a description of how the clipboard provides data; and also the lack of formatting features is a characteristic of plain text editors ... (duh :D )

Surely this para. can just be removed? 118.90.9.218 (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Support removing the para. That's what a plain text editor is. :) - xpclient ^talk 08:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Practically all word processors include a "Paste Special..." feature, which allows pasting of text while removing formatting. While some users use Notepad to emulate this, it should be noted that the word processor includes this feature in the first place. 146.94.214.21 19:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

No joke here, dont delete it. Open notepad, type "love tmk and mario" (NO JOKE, THIS IS VERY REAL) Save it. Close it and open it again. Tell me why the f### that happens. For me it transformed the phrase into this: 潬敶琠歭愠摮洠牡潩 In reality they are square characters. 189.28.221.57 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

read the Bush hid the facts article. You must have chinese fonts installed on your computer to see 潬敶琠歭愠摮洠牡潩. But that is weird. Matthew 13:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 10minnickm (talk • contribs)

I got boxes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.174.8 (talk) 08:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

You won't f%%%ing believe this,潬敶琠歭愠摮洠牡潩 in my notepad.~74.163.16.27~-Tailsman67 of Sonic News Network and others — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.16.27 (talk) 00:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

Some people seem to be overly oppressive, when it comes to a have-because-must-have software.. The Bush hid the facts, the 64k limit, the lack of block selection, the etc.. This notepad is there mainly to open EULA.txt and of course to edit config INI files. And it does that well enough, doesn't it? -- jsimlo^(talk|cont) 05:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

No. It doesn't. IE can open EULA.txt and Notepad still doesn't tolerate non-Windows newlines, making editing configuration files and viewing logs for stuff like Apache Tomcat as painful as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianary (talk • contribs) 15:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

The introductory paragraph of the article says that Notepad has been included with Windows ever since 1.0, but the info box says it's been included since Windows 95. Obviously, the Windows 95 is a mistake, since I remember it on 3.1, but my Windows use doesn't go far back enough to 1.0 to be able to positively verify it, which is why I didn't change the info box myself. However, I'd assume that the 1.0 information is correct... unless the info box is trying to tell us something else? --Ericdn (talk) 21:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Those of you who are going to delete notepad don't do it,my dad did that and it crashed his computer.o_o~74.163.16.27~-Tailsman67 of Sonic News Network and others — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.16.27 (talk) 00:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

Crashed Computer by Removal of Notepad.exe

Let me get this straight, Someone who left an UNSIGNED note on this discussion page, removed Notepad.exe from their computer and the computer OS Crashed! Hmmm. sounds like a visit from the Oregon saskquatch to me. but I give the poster the benefit of the doubt. It could be HOW the program was removed. If Notepad is integral to the operation of Windows(x.y.z) or Windows(name), why would you want to remove it?

There are System Utilities to restore a crashed OS. Finding what crashed the computer is an exercise best left to the specialists.

Now if someone had a link to a Notepad Replacement that cleaned up the problems with the original, I suppose those in Redmond WA might be interested. Richard416282 (talk) 04:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

I'm telling the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.51.195 (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

Windows Notepad was and is its WP:COMMONNAME. This was a misstep. (See, above, Change title of article to "Windows Notepad" (2007).) -A876 (talk) 23:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi.

I removed the claim of "formally Microsoft Notepad" from the article because it was not proven. Instead of proof, two exceptional use cases were provided. It is like calling a fir forest a pine forest just because there are two pine trees in the mix.

1. Google search for "Microsoft Notepad" site:microsoft.com proves that microsoft.com rarely ever uses "Microsoft Notepad".
2. What kind of formal name is this that does not even appear in the software user interface? In fact, a commonly used name can very well not be the formal name. (For example, the formal name of MSConfig is "System Configuration" while the formal name of cmd.exe is "Command Prompt".)

To name the article "Microsoft Notepad" is one thing, to call this name a formal name is another.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

Correct. It is not formally "Microsoft Notepad". Beyond that, it is formally "Windows Notepad", for a long time. See Change title of article to "Windows Notepad" (2007-03-14), above, despite which it somehow got renamed from "Notepad (software)" to "Microsoft Notepad" on 2016-04-11.

Its Microsoft Store webpage calls it Windows Notepad (since 2019-08-24). People have been calling it "Windows Notepad" since 2001 and 1994 (not counting mentions like "the Windows Notepad" or "C:\Windows\notepad.exe").

The article "Windows Notepad" has redirected here ("Notepad" / "Notepad (software)" / "Notepad (Windows)" / "Notepad (disambiguation)" / "Microsoft Notepad") since 2008. -A876 (talk) 23:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hey,

Reference 12 ("Maximum File Size Limits for Notepad". Support. Microsoft. September 24, 2011. Archived from the original on 2016-01-14. Retrieved 2016-10-28.) leads to a 404 error, as the link is either broken or the page has been deleted. Assuming the link was originally correct, should it be removed now the page has been removed? There appears to be no alternative Microsoft Support page that contains the same information anymore.

Thanks,

→Non-monic (talk) 09:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Non-monic: A working version of the page was saved to the Internet Archive, so we can use that. I'll update the archive link. Jc86035 (talk) 10:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

ime=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.173.127.161 (talk) 13:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

One of our dear colleagues, @ViperSnake151, has tried to wipe out most of the "History" section, citing violation of WP:NOTCHANGELOG. ([3]) I've reverted it as egregiously wrong for now, but wanted someone else's third opinion.

If this article is a change log, then how comes Windows 10 version history is not a change log? It has survived deletion once: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows 10 version history.

- Waysidesc (talk) 10:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

I had specific issues with everything under the "Store vaporware" heading, as the title and talk about Microsoft Store appearing non-neutral and opinionated, especially considering other recent disputes surrounding that section (re: "notorious"). It comes off as a complaint that Microsoft puts Windows Notepad on Microsoft Store but doesn't actually leverage its functionality. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Let me paraphrase: You observed a dispute over a single word and responded by not only nuking the whole dispute area but also lying about the reason for which you deleted the section. That's rich. Waysidesc (talk) 18:20, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

But that was also still a valid reason, as the section only described very trivial changes or a lack thereof. WP:NOTCHANGELOG says that "Common sense must be applied with regard to the level of detail to be included". There is barely anything that is notable. This is a classic WP:BRD scenario and you know it. ViperSnake151  Talk  21:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

First, I know what's "notable". it's a famous word in Wikipedia slang. It means "I don't support deleting this article." Also "not notable" means "I support deleting this article." It is part of Wikipedia's article deletion voting process. Do not assume that just because I'm newcomer, I'm also an idiot.

Second, don't try to take sentences out of their context. Whatever WP:NOTCHANGELOG says is about "exhaustive logs of software updates," nothing else. And any sense that you've applied so far is anything but common! Waysidesc (talk) 10:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

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My Windows 10 laptop no longer has Notepad at C:\windows\system32\notepad.exe. Settings -> Optional features offers me the option to uninstall Notepad. The Microsoft Store lists Microsoft Notepad as Windows 11 only and provides a button to "Update Windows". Is there a RS for this "change" so that the article can be updated? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 14:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Looks like the 14 February update explicitly killed Notepad — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 14:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

This December 2019 article entitled "Windows 10 Notepad on Microsoft Store is No Longer Supported" was the closest I could find about its removal from the Microsoft Store for Windows 10.

Do you have a source for the February 14 update removing Notepad from Windows 10? Saucysalsa30 (talk) 23:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sadly not. I think that the update last month killed Notepad on my laptop, but now of course I cannot prove when I did last use Notepad. There was talk of it being removed from the store ages ago. Microsoft Blog talked about it in December 2019. These were just about it being removed from the Store, but I can find nothing about it being actively removed from machines. — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 08:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)Reply