Talk:Virtual Storage Access Method
How does VSAM compare to ISAM? Limbo socrates 9 July 2005 14:13 (UTC)
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Comparison with ISAM
How does VSAM compare to ISAM? Limbo socrates 9 July 2005 14:13 (UTC)
NigelMorton (talk) 21:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC) I have added a very brief comparison.
Copyright violation?
Note the closing paragraph:
Throughout this documentation, the term VSAM relative-record data set (or RRDS) is used to mean both relative-record data sets with fixed-length records and with variable-length records, unless they need to be differentiated.
--199.254.202.129 22:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- Paragraph removed - it didn't add anything. --NigelMorton (talk) 21:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- Done, rm'ed all that was added then. --Jerome Potts (talk) 08:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Missing "buzzwords"
- Master catalog, user catalog. --Jerome Potts (talk) 08:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Alternate indexes
I updated the article to include a brief reference to catalogs, page spaces and swap spaces, and realized that there should also be a discussion of the alternate index (AIX). Would that be better placed in this article or in the KSDS article? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 23:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
References versus external links?
A recent edit created a new section called External Links and moved an item there from See Also. Shouldn't it have instead been moved to the existing References section? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- Only if it supports a claim made in the article. If it's just a random page that happens to mention VSAM, no - and it's not even that any more (that link goes to a general page about Guardium that mentions VSAM nowhere obvious on it). Guy Harris (talk) 20:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
So why was "Virtual Storage Access Method" wrong?
IBM referred to it as the "Virtual Storage Access Method", not the "virtual storage access method"; see, for example, this VSAM programmer's guide. Guy Harris (talk) 05:57, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
American-Express
Philip Raymann
Requested move 2 October 2017
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The result of the move request was: Move. We have consensus that this is a proper name, and should thus be capitalized. Cúchullain t/c 14:13, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Virtual storage access method → Virtual Storage Access Method – "Virtual Storage Access Method" is a proper name and always occurs capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence; WP:NCCAP specifies capitalization for proper names. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters states "words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia." Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:16, 2 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 21:09, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per MOS:ISMCAPS; methods and processes are not capitalized on Wikipedia. This article has only two sources, both self-published by IBM, which appears to have a house style to capitalize all sorts of stuff pertaining to IBM system maintenance and configuration. There is no evidence this is a proper name. Overcapitalization of geeky things is extremely common in technical source material, and we do not imitate it here (see WP:SSF). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 01:58, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether it's a "method or process". I think from IBM's standpoint - and the standpoint of developers using it - it's an API and the implementation of that API. I don't think it's a separate licensed product, I think it's a component of the OS, in the {{infobox OS component}} sense. Guy Harris (talk) 02:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- BDAM, BPAM, BSAM, ISAM, OAM, QSAM, QTAM, TCAM and VTAM are all access methods, not methods or processes. Each is an API that includes macro definitions and user-provided data structures. As such, the text that I quoted from WP:NCCAP, "words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia.", applies. I'd be happy to add citations to more technical VTAM manuals if that is not TMI.
- Some enhanced versions of TCAM and VTAM were separately licensed products, but in z/OS ISAM and TCAM are defunct and the enhanced VTAM is bundled. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- Support - almost all sources capitalise this, so it's a WP:PROPERNAME. This isn't a "method" in the sense of WP:ISMCAPS, it's an API, as stated above. — Amakuru (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- Support - it's a name for an API and implementation thereof in MVS and z/OS, and, as noted, it's usually capitalized. Guy Harris (talk) 21:37, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Merge suggestion
A number of linked articles are very short and only relevant in the context of VSAM. Those articles are short or stubs and could help to collect all details on this page alone. The other articles are very hard to understand without the VSAM context in any case.
2001:4652:A1E8:0:3DAA:37A4:CED5:94EF (talk) 23:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
Merge completed Klbrain (talk) 12:44, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
VSAM demystified
@Guy Harris: A recent edit 1310615433 changed and linear (LDS).[1]
[a] to and linear (LDS).[2]: 5
,[b] dropping "1.3.2 Record management". I believe that it would be better to use {{sfn|Lovelace|Salla|Sokal|2022|at=1.3.2 Record management|page=5}}[3], and similarly for other references to specific pages of Demystified. One small glitch in my mark is that the {{sfn}} is pointing at the base instead of the reference with page and section. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 19:03, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
- That would work too, but the key point is that, if a claim is supported by something on page 25 in some section other than 1.3.2 "Record management", the pop-up window for the reference should mention neither page 5 or section 1.3.2 "Record management". Either {{rp}} with the "page number" including a section reference, or {{sfn}}, would do the job. Guy Harris (talk) 21:24, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
Notes
- ^ Markup and [[linear data set|linear]] (LDS).<ref name="demystified1">{{cite book | url = https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246105.pdf | series = Redbooks | title = VSAM Demystified | first1 = Mary | last1 = Lovelace | first2 = Jose | last2 = Dovidauskas | first3 = Alvaro | last3 = Salla | first4 = Valeria | last4 = Sokal | pages = 5 | chapter = 1.3.2 Record management | edition = 3 | publisher = IBM | date = August 2022 }} </ref>
- ^ Markup and [[linear data set|linear]] (LDS).<ref name="demystified">{{cite book | url = https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246105.pdf | series = Redbooks | title = VSAM Demystified | first1 = Mary | last1 = Lovelace | first2 = Jose | last2 = Dovidauskas | first3 = Alvaro | last3 = Salla | first4 = Valeria | last4 = Sokal | edition = 3 | publisher = IBM | date = August 2022 }} </ref>
References
- ^ Lovelace, Mary; Dovidauskas, Jose; Salla, Alvaro; Sokal, Valeria (August 2022). VSAM Demystified (PDF). Redbooks (3 ed.). IBM. Cite error: A list-defined reference named "demystified" is not used in the content (see the help page).
- ^ Lovelace, Mary; Dovidauskas, Jose; Salla, Alvaro; Sokal, Valeria (August 2022). "1.3.2 Record management". VSAM Demystified (PDF). Redbooks (3 ed.). IBM. p. 5.
- ^ Lovelace, Mary; Dovidauskas, Jose; Salla, Alvaro; Sokal, Valeria (August 2022). VSAM Demystified (PDF). Redbooks (3 ed.). IBM.
- ^ Lovelace, Salla & Sokal 2022, p. 5, 1.3.2 Record management.
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