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The derivation of the longitudinal Doppler effect is unclear. Either clarify the reasoning, or copy the reasoning from the Wikipedia page "Relativistic Doppler effect". Also: The equation "W = YW' " should most probably be "w = gamma * w' ".

If the current example could be clarified, then that would be a good thing: We would have two different derivations of the longitudinal relativistic Doppler effect. Note that the explanation in the referenced book by Sander Bais, is much clearer. Johanwiden (talk) 08:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

You're right. My original presentation was based closely on Bais. In the intervening years, other editors have "improved" on my original presentation, introducing typographical errors along the way. I won't try to bring it back to my original presentation, but at least I can fix the obvious typos. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog (talk) 07:02, 30 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have now reviewed the section, after your update. What I complained about has now been fixed. Thank you! Johanwiden (talk) 14:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

As stated in Wikipedia "Four-momentum", and in the referenced paper by Sander Bais, the vertical axis has units "kg * m / s", but in the section it is implied that the unit is "m" (i.e. c * t). The explanation therefore becomes unclear. An explanation of the units of the axes is also needed: Why they have those units, and why it is OK for relativistic calculations. Johanwiden (talk) 12:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

In contrast to what I wrote above about Longitudinal Doppler effect, I can't blame other editors for infelicities of expression in this section. I'll see what I can do to improve the presentation, which is pretty much unchanged from what I wrote in 2017. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog (talk) 07:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have now changed the figure 3.8 text:

- From: Relativistic spacetime momentum vector

- To: Relativistic spacetime momentum vector. The coordinate axes of the rest frame are: momentum, p, and mass * c. For comparision, we have overlaid a spacetime coordinate system with axes: position, and time * c.

I have no further issues. Johanwiden (talk) 08:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

A few days ago, I undid a good faith edit by @OzzyOlly: with the explanation,

"Science articles need to start with general readability topics, leaving technical material for later. However, the topics covered in this section, although special relativity topics, are quite technical, presenting a dilemma: placement before and after the general relativity section are *both* problematical. Hence the warning."

Thinking it over, OzzyOlly did have a point. No matter where in Spacetime you place the "Beyond the basics" section, it appears a bit misplaced. On the other hand, I think that this section naturally fits in Special relativity after the "Dynamics" section. Any thoughts on this? If there are no objections after a week, I will make the move. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog (talk) 14:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog I have no objections, and I agree with moving it.

I will say that the reason I removed the message was because I felt it was unencyclopedic to stick a giant warning saying that the section might be too complex for readers. There obviously is {{complex}} but I don't believe that template is appropriate. I was more thinking of removing it per Wikipedia:No disclaimers and I probably should've said that in the edit summary. OzzyOlly (talk) 19:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I moved the "Beyond the basics" section to Special relativity. My figure numbering in that article is now rather messed up. I'll fix the numbering later. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog (talk) 08:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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