Talk:Rose Cross

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Thelema (inactive) This article is within the scope of WikiProject Thelema, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.ThelemaWikipedia:WikiProject ThelemaTemplate:WikiProject ThelemaThelema Freemasonry Low‑importance This article is part of WikiProject Freemasonry, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Freemasonry articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to join us in our labors, please join the discussion and add your name to the list of participants. The "Top of the Trestleboard" section below can offer some ideas on where to start and what to do.FreemasonryWikipedia:WikiProject FreemasonryTemplate:WikiProject FreemasonryFreemasonry Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. ◆  WikiProject Freemasonry's "Top of the Trestleboard": Improve to Featured Article status Freemasonry Tracing board Isaac Newton University Lodge Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia Operative Masonry Primitive Scottish Rite Add content to stubs… Check recently changed articles for possible improvement, to remove vandalism, etc. Requests [Watch this list] Articles for all United Grand Lodge of England-recognized Grand Lodges (if notable) Participate in articles listed for deletion Need images Scottish Rite York Rite Sovereign Grand Lodge of Malta New Article to be created Adonhiramite Rite Portuguese Rite Brazilian Rite Irish Rite Moorish Rite Rite Français Moderne Rétabli Articles to be re-written Freemasonry in Cuba - Entirely AI generated. Occult Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Occult, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to the occult on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OccultWikipedia:WikiProject OccultTemplate:WikiProject OccultOccult Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Tip: Anchors are case-sensitive in most browsers. This article contains broken links to one or more target anchors: [[Initiation#Religious and other spiritual initiations|Initiate]] The anchor (Religious and other spiritual initiations) has been deleted. The anchors may have been removed, renamed, or are no longer valid. Please fix them by following the link above, checking the page history of the target pages, or updating the links. Remove this template after the problem is fixed | Report an error

Why no inclusion of the origins of the Rosy Cross? The Rosy Cross degree was established by Robert the Bruce in 1314 following the Battle of Bannockburn.

This page is almost exactly the same as Rose-Cross, although that page has a slightly better perspective on the origins from the Rosicrucians, which this page seriously lacks. However, since the subject of these two articles is essentially the same, these pages should be merged. --Jackhorkheimer 05:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

no i disagree - the rose cross and the rosey cross lamen as shown are two totally different items.

The rose cross is a christian symbol created to represent the rosicrucians as previously mentioned.

The rosey cross is a a lamen used my several magical traditions including the \Golden Dawn and even Wicca, but which actually predates christianity.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsrosecross.htm

but which actually predates christianity

I'd seriously dispute the veracity of that claim. What prooof is there?

Nuttyskin (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

I say do the merge. The Rose-Cross and the Rosy-Cross are pretty much the same. One may make a distinction saying one is a drawing while one is a lamen (or pendant) but both are emblems of those persons who call themselves Rosicrucians. Eyes down, human. 03:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Do not merge. As already stated above by 82.21.109.76, this Rosy Cross article here, although about organizations linking themselves to the Rosicrucian tradition, is not describing the same symbol of the hermetic-Christian tradition that the Rose Cross article refers to. --Lusitanian 00:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

I vote for of the merge. Even the above link seems to confirm that the rosy cross used by the Golden Dawn is closely related enough to the Rosicrucian symbol to be covered in the same article. Frankly, the assertion that one predates Christianity strikes me as POV. Of course, I'd be willing to reconsider if someone more knowledgeable presents better evidence. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 00:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

While the article Rosicrucianism presents an historical, legendary and philosophical view of the Rosicrucian Tradition as a whole; this article Rosy Cross is presenting specific details about a few modern groups, already identified in the article-section Rosicrucianism#Para-Masonic groups, akin to the red cross "stream". From my point of view, these specific views should be inserted in the existing articles related to each modern group; since the article Rose Cross already mentions the distinction of the white and red cross within the Rosicrucian tradition.--195.23.163.8 (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps someone might mention that one interpretation of the rosy cross is simply that it (like the hexagram) is yet another mystic sex symbol: the rose and cross standing in for yoni and ligham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.225.104 (talk) 03:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)Reply

Is there anyway to convert this image to a clearer picture like one with no background with a more prominent rose? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:8200:8F20:6233:4BFF:FE1A:23BD (talk) 01:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Why is it also called "Rose Croix" (meaning pink cross or cross (of) the rose in French)? It would be interesting to know why French is used when nothing in this article talks about this country in its history.

The legend of the image is too short. Why this image and not another one, where did you take it? Please tell us. The Rose is an interesting hermetic symbol, but it's not mentioned in the article, or linked to another page or site.

On Wikipedia, Free masons users have this symbol in their infobox, but nothing in the article talks about masonry, or any other brotherhood. Why?