Talk:Probability box

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There are different ways (shown below) to formulate the displayed constraints in the section 'Mathematical definition'. Each seems to have disadvantages. A formulation based on Riemann-Stieltjes integrals introduces the notation dF(x), which will likely be foreign to a lot of readers. We could formulate the integrals in terms of the quasi-inverse of the distribution function, but then we'd need to explain quasi-inverses. Or, we could use a formulation suggested by the entry Variance#Calculation from the CDF, but that requires identifying the minimum possible value of the random x-value. Currently, the entry uses the first of these options. Does anyone have suggestions about how to express the constraints?

Scwarebang (talk) 05:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

F (x) ≤ F(x) ≤ F(x),

∫ ^∞
_-∞ x dF(x) ∈ m,

∫^∞
_-∞ x²dF(x)) – (∫ ^∞
_-∞ x dF(x))² ∈ v, and

F ∈ F.

These Riemann-Stieltjes integrals do not depend on the differentiability of F.

F (x) ≤ F(x) ≤ F(x),

∫ ¹
₀ F ^-1(u)du ∈ m,

∫ ¹
₀ F ^-1(u)²du – (∫ ¹
₀ F ^-1(u)du)² ∈ v, and

F ∈ F

where F ^-1 is the quasi-inverse of F. These formulations do not depend on the invertibility of F but only on its monotonicity.

F (x) ≤ F(x) ≤ F(x),

∫ ^∞
_a (1 – F(x – a))dx ∈ m,

2∫^∞
_a (x – a)(1 – F(x – a))dx – (∫ ^∞
_a (1 –F(x – a))dx)² ∈ v, and

F ∈ F

where a = sup_F(x)=0 x is the smallest possible value of the random variable.

Because of the commonness of ideas such as confidence intervals, unmodified words like 'interval' and 'bounds' do not necessarily convey to a reader the idea that all possible values are within a specified range. So some adjective is required to indicate when bounds or intervals are assumed or constructed to enclose all possible values.

Different adjectives have been used for this purpose to modify 'bounds' and 'interval' in different fields, including

• sure
• true — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.50.9 (talk) 22:23, 23 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
• rigorous
• absolute
• exact
• crisp
• strict
• almost sure
• 100% confidence

The article currently uses the word 'rigorous', but this may be misleading to many readers. Can we come to a consensus about the best adjective to use?

The difference between strict intervals and statistical intervals is not addressed in the Wikipedia entry on bounds. Both kinds of bounds represent an implicit guarantee. But in the case of statistical intervals, the guarantee is in terms of some statistical performance in which the interval encloses the value(s) with some specified surety.

Scwarebang (talk) 21:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The reviewer would like to request the editor with a COI attempt to discuss with editors engaged in the subject-area first.

• Specific text to be added or removed:

  In the applications section add the following three applications:

  Space Trajectory Optimization

  Asteroid Impact Monitoring

  State Estimation

• Reason for the change: they are missing and relevant
• References supporting change:

  https://doi.org/10.1016/j.actaastro.2021.10.022 for Space Trajectory Optimization

  https://doi.org/10.1007/s10569-020-09991-3 for asteroid impact monitoring

  https://doi.org/10.2514/1.G006157 for sate estimation Mx the Gray (talk) 18:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Not done: No consensus could be obtained for making the requested change. I placed a notice at the WikiProject Statistics talk page in order to see if any other local editors could help with this request, but so far, none have responded. Thus I'm closing the request as no consensus having been reached on its inclusion. Regards,  Spintendo  19:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply