Talk:Pincho

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

‹ The template below (WikiProject Food and drink) is being considered for merging with WikiProject Michelin Guide. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. › Food and drink Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Food and drinkWikipedia:WikiProject Food and drinkTemplate:WikiProject Food and drinkFood and drink Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Food and Drink task list: edit history watch purge To edit this page, select here Here are some tasks you can do for WikiProject Food and drink: Help bring these Top Importance articles currently B Status or below up to GA status: Agaricus bisporus (i.e. mushroom), Beef, Bread, Curry, Drink, Food, Ham and eggs, Soy sauce, Sushi, Yogurt Bring these Top Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: Beer, French cuisine, Sugar Bring these High Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: Apple, Burger King, Fish Participate in project-related deletion discussions. Delete unrelated trivia sections found in articles. Please review WP:Trivia and WP:Handling trivia to learn how to do this. Add the {{WikiProject Food and drink}} project banner to food and drink related articles and content to help bring them to the attention of members. For a complete list of banners for WikiProject Food and drink and its child projects, select here. Provide photographs and images for Category:Wikipedia requested images of food Consider joining this project's Assessment task force. List any project ideas in this section Note: These lists are transcluded from the project's tasks pages. Basque This article is within the scope of WikiProject Basque, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Basque Country, Basque people, Basque language, history and culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BasqueWikipedia:WikiProject BasqueTemplate:WikiProject BasqueBasque ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale.

I based this on http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pincho -- there is certainly a lot of room for improvement, this is my first stab at a translation. So feel free to edit away!

Kenneth Heal 16:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Lack of sources cited regarding which areas of the Basque Country are best-known for their pintxos. Issues of original research too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.237.233 (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm replacing the image. The current one, while they might be pintxos, does not show the toothpick, which is kind of essential considering the food itself is named after the concept of "pinching" together the different ingredients. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 19:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

In Spain, pincho refers to 2 unrelated types of food. I've tried to explain that in the article, but there should be 2 different pages really, for example Pincho (social snack) and Pincho (spiked food), or something to that effect. In fact the second page probably exists already, but I can't find it. Opinions? --Jotamar (talk) 23:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

I found the page, its Brochette. --Jotamar (talk) 00:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

I´m changing the name of the article to 'pintxo', with the spelling 'pincho' as alternative. Since everybody relates pintxos to the Basque Country it´s awkward to have a spanish spelling. Furthermore, the spelling 'tx' instead of 'ch' is understood by any native spanish speaker. Pronounciation in Basque is the same as in spanish, stress is on the first syllable, I changed that as well.

Sep 6th 2012

I don't think that is a good idea, for the following reasons:

• pintxo in Basque is a very obvious loanword from Spanish (not the other way around).
• The main cities in the Basque country (Bilbao, Vitoria, San Sebastián) are all Spanish-speaking, and it's there that the pincho cuisine is most famous, and not in the rural Basque-speaking areas.
• Pinchos are by no means exclusive of the Basque country. They're common in other areas of Spain too. Jotamar (talk) 16:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

For the aforementioned reasons, I proceed to recover the Spanish spelling. Jotamar (talk) 15:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

While the word is borrowed from the Spanish "pincho", the motivation of using a spike to hold together a Tapa originated in the Basque region and thus the dish is most commonly known in the culinary world as a "Pintxo". Since this is not a page about spikes but about a class of food, I assert that the spelling used in the area of origin is correct rather than a variation given that this is for an English reference to the culinary term. Similarly, arguing that Basque cities are also Spanish speaking is an invalid argument as these cities within the Basque region recognize the Basque language as the official language (see: Navarre "Official Languages"). -MB (talk) 23:16, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

You have unilaterally reverted my last change, basing this action on unsubstantiated claims which might as well be urban legends. I've been asking for references about pinchos originating in the Basque country for several years, and nothing appears. Another claim that sounds more like a phantasy than as a fact is that the dish (?) is most commonly known in the culinary world as a "Pintxo". By the way, I didn't say that Bilbao, Vitoria and San Sebastian are also Spanish-speaking, in fact Spanish is the only mother tongue of those native to the cities.

Obviously, if you can't find any justification for your reversion other than Basque nationalist phantasies, I'll de-revert it. Jotamar (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

I proceed to revert the change, which in addition had not be made in a technically proper way. Jotamar (talk) 17:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Spanish is the only mother tongue of those native to the cities? That's a very bold generalization, especially regarding San Sebastián. Talk about phantasies. Nowhere are "pintxos" spelled as "pinchos" in the Basque Autonomous Community, even in written Spanish, for example, this is from Vitoria's Council (http://www.vitoria-gasteiz.org/we001/was/we001Action.do?idioma=es&aplicacion=wb021&tabla=contenido&uid=u_60e9f7db_12cde2ef351__7fc7), ruled by the Spanish People's Party and the city with less Basque speakers out of the three provincial capitals. Baskesc (talk) 17:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

That is still no reason to change the name of the page. Jotamar (talk) 01:13, 3 July 2013 (UTC)Reply