Talk:Luke Cage
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Apparently the discussion I had wanted to start on this talk page has been censored. See the page where I reported a false positive to see the original text. Thanks.
So much more difficult to edit this thing now, with idiot editors, red tape and lengthy procedures to have to go through even to just start a discussion on a TALK PAGE ffs! :/ --98.122.20.56 (talk) 06:20, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
- Please read WP:BURDEN. Also you're wrong, it's Marvel's first black superhero to receive his own comic book, the actual first was Lobo (Dell Comics). Don't worry, I went ahead and corrected it for you and moved the sourced info to the appropriate sections in the body of the article.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
- To be honest with you, I don't really give a shit about your wikilawyering, nor too many of the policies on Wikipedia - I mentioned that I'm a casual editor. I've spent too much energy already on this one issue! My point remains: if you cared, you would have looked at the material and assumed good faith.
- The Guardian says (and I wrote) first black superhero - not first black hero or star. Don't worry though - I went ahead and corrected it for you, whilst keeping the main details of the history of black superheroes in the main body.
- .. speaking of which, I had not written a "detailed essay" on the history of black superheros, nor was there a "detailed essay" in the article prior to, or subsequent to, my edit. Barely a paragraph or two. The information is, I believe, quite essential to the history of comics, to this character, to Marvel and is not without import with regard to the history of popular culture in the USA - it was certainly a first.
- Trip - if you want to add back the info about Lobo, feel free. He was probably an important step on the way to Powerman getting his own comic, though Lobo was a hero, not a superhero. --98.122.20.56 (talk) 02:27, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
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Nominator: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 20:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: MidnightAlarm (talk · contribs) 22:15, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
I'll take this on. At a glance, the article is stable and has no cleanup tags or banners. I'll be back once the review is completed or if I have questions/concerns in the meantime. MidnightAlarm (talk) 22:15, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
All right, I need to spot-check some more references and that will take longer, but in the meantime, here is the review and my comments. It's a great article overall, but I did identify a couple of issues that need to be addressed.
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Article is well-written. I identified a few minor grammatical issues during my review, but I have edited to fix those myself. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | MOS:FICTION and MOS:LEAD concerns have been resolved. Article now complies with the relevant MOS guidelines. MidnightAlarm (talk) 12:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
| 2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Article has a reflist. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | Issues resolved. All cited sources are RS, everything is appropriately cited, and claims in lead are supported in body. MidnightAlarm (talk) 12:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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2c. it contains no original research. | No OR identified. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | No copyvio or plagiarism concerns detected. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Main aspects covered. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | No unnecessary detail. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | NPOV maintained throughout. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | Article is stable. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | All images are tagged, and non-free images have valid fair use rationales. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | All images are relevant and suitably captioned. MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC) |
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MOS compliance
I made a few edits to fix minor MOS:FICTION-related issues, but the lead needs a bit of rewriting for compliance with MOS:FICTION and MOS:LEAD. Specifically:
- MOS:FICTION: The fourth paragraph of the lead (beginning with
Carl Lucas gained superhuman strength...
) needs reframing from a real-world perspective. As written, most of the paragraph reads like an in-universe biography, albeit a short one. It may be useful to refer to the leads of other comics character articles with GA status, such as Joker (character).
- MOS:LEAD: The lead gives undue weight to the character's in-universe biography, again largely with that fourth paragraph. It could be edited to pare biographical details down and instead introduce the major points covered in the Themes and Reception and legacy sections.
Verifiability
By and large, the sources check out, but I found two issues that need addressing:
- The lead states both that
he was the first African-American superhero by Marvel Comics to be the main character in his own series
(first from Marvel) andhe was the first Black superhero to star in his own regular title
(implying first overall). The Creation section supports the first statement but not the second. Unless a reliable source indicates he was the first Black superhero overall (not just from Marvel) to star in his own series, the second statement should be removed from the lead.
- Under 1970s, the statment
Englehart wrote subplots for the series, only for Tuska to disregard them and say "I didn't feel like drawing that".
should have an inline citation at the end of the sentence because it includes a direct quotation. Alternatively, it could be rewritten to say something likeEngleheart wrote subplots for the series, only for Tuska to disregard them and say he didn't care to draw them.
MidnightAlarm (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- MidnightAlarm, thanks for looking over the article! I added a few words to frame the character bio in the lead so it doesn't imply he's a real person. I'm of the opinion that all the details in this paragraph are relevant, as they cover both the characterization and developments in his publication history. I'll note that the third paragraph at Joker is also written in a way that could be interpreted as in-universe. I've removed the sentence about "first Black superhero to start in his own regular title", since it's kind of unclear what definitions are being used here. I think the exact quote is important for the part about Tuska, so I've added a citation. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 02:15, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hey @Thebiguglyalien! Looking at the article again with fresh eyes today, I retract my comment about undue weight in the lead. I was getting hung up there being a lot of detail from the fictional biography section, but you're right, those details cover other sections as well. Apologies for that.
- Thanks for tackling the other pieces. I did see that the lead in the Joker article includes a bit of fictional biography without real-world framing, but it was only two sentences and bookended by the preceding paragraph (firmly real-world perspective) and more real-world framing at the end of that third paragraph, which I felt contextualized it nicely. The addition of
In his origin story,
to this article's lead similarly contextualizes it, and I'm happy with where it stands now. - The references I've spot-checked have all checked out, so I'm going to update the table above and then complete the review as a pass. Great work with the article! It was a really interesting read, by the way - I've enjoyed Luke Cage as a character for a long time but hadn't delved deeply into his origins (in-universe or real-world), and this was a great way to learn about them. MidnightAlarm (talk) 12:53, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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