Talk:LDRA

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Created by --Nat Hillary 17:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Fixed Wirral Peninsula reference --Nat Hillary 18:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nat hillary (talk • contribs)
Added link to LDRA Testbed entry --Nat Hillary 18:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

I propose that LDRA Testbed be merged into Liverpool Data Research Associates. I think that the content in the LDRA Testbed article can easily be made a section (perhaps called "products") in the Liverpool Data Research Associates article, which is of a reasonable size so the merging of LDRA Testbed will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Jeff Song (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

Since no-one has commented or objected, I will start this merge shortly. Jeff Song (talk) 17:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

Paging User:Jeff Song as Merger proposer... and paging User:Mako001 as we've exchanged messages regarding LDRA and I appreciate your help.

I note that this page LDRA_Testbed was merged into the LDRA page and deleted, in 2011 - but has been resurrected (and maintained since). Given that the Testbed product name is no longer in use, I suggest that this page LDRA_Testbed is removed (again), and redirected to LDRA tool suite section? Andrew D Banks (talk) 08:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think I'll attempt that; there's not a huge amount of coverage on LDRA already and LDRA Testbed is not likely better. I'll merge the better bits then redirect. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Added the section: other people can decide whether to merge or delete it with the other section. If the answer is merge more sources are probably needed. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Declaring an interest (I'm employed by LDRA, as mentioned in the article), I note that User:Mako001 has tagged this for notability. I think a big part of the issue is that the company has been known as LDRA for many years, not the full form Liverpool Data Research Associates, so recent search results for the full name are few and far between.

That said, the article can be improved - I'll attempt to do so, while maintaining a level of neutrality... Andrew D Banks (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Andrew D Banks:Thanks for declaring your conflict of interest. Are you familiar with the guidelines for paid editors? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:09, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

The issue with the article is that many of the sources don't seem to be independent, I.e. they seem to be magazines for particular associations that LDRA is a member of. To qualify for an article, a subject (in this case, LDRA) should meet two guidelines, the general notability guidelines and the notability guideline for companies and organisations. One part of both guidelines is that notability must be shown by independent sources. Sources affiliated with the subject cannot be used to establish notability. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi Mako001 - thanks for the link... yes, I am aware (and have made appropriate declaration on my User Page regarding other topics I'm "associated" with) - my two contributions to the LDRA page have been trivial and not company directed, hence no previous declaration. Assuming I make any significant change, it will be duly declared. But my User Page does show LDRA as my employer :-)

I take your comments on board, and will see what I can come up with - I have no doubt that appropriate independent notability can be shown... Andrew D Banks (talk) 14:23, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Since this article got tagged (and untagged) for notability, I thought I'd do a source analysis:

• "An experimental test bed for numerical software": by the founders, non-independent
• Same for the next two sources
• "LDRA Certification Services team lead to be formally recognized in Washington...": a press release
• References to MISRA, CERT C, FACE approved verification are pretty much trivial listings
• Embedded Control Europe also seems to be written by LDRA
• The 3 motorsport articles give a couple LDRA trivial mentions + one set of a few sentences describing it
• Design East seems like significant non-LDRA coverage of an LDRA product
• I assume Design West is probably the same
• Testing Software I cannot access
• Methods for the Prevention gives short but existent coverage; 3-4 sentences

So it looks like the main independent & significant sources are Design East, Design West, & the Methods for the Prevention paper. Most of the sources are non-independent but coverage does exist. Mrfoogles (talk) 02:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the reviews and edit Mrfoogles... as an aside, the mention of me pre-dates my editing, but I was cautious about removing it (despite my declared interests) Andrew D Banks (talk) 08:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply