Talk:Else Christensen

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I saw that you added material I removed back to the Else Christensen entry. The links are non-functional and that is why I removed them. Also, I stated that it was ironic that she herself ended up in prison, when she has been working with prisoners much of her life. I also think it is ironic that she is portrayed as a national socialist when she herself was in fact persecuted by the national socialists. Do you want to hunt down your sources to fix the links, or shall I remove them?-71.116.133.72 18:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

well, I think I see what you mean; my idea of "irony" would however be, for example, if she had actively helped imprison people, and ended up in prison herself. Inasmuch as she was on the prisoners' side all the time, I don't see anything particularly ironic in her imprisonment. The link to the letter to Ben Klassen seems broken, so I'll remove the statement. Her Nazi leanings otoh are well documented and afaik undisputed; yes, you can argue it is ironic she had to flee from the Nazis in spite of such leanings, but this happened to a lot of people, and according to your statement, it was due to a misunderstanding anyway (the Nazis suspected her of being a partisan, nobody claims that she actually did support partisan activities). So far, apart from Odinist websites, the only serious reference we have is Pitcavage, so I suppose this is what the article should be guided by at this point. dab (ᛏ) 11:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Since the link it was taken from is inactive now, I am cutting this as unreferenced; I do not think that anyone actively claims that it is inaccurate, however, and as far as I am concerned, it could be re-insterted.

In a 1986 letter to Ben Klassen [1], she writes

The new has not been born yet, but I hope and believe that we are today doing the groundwork for the foundation upon which the new basis for the religious/philosophical moral concepts will be built. They will have to be racial, discriminatory, self-assertive, proud.

dab (ᛏ) 11:25, 13 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Found the wayback link and moving it back in with proper attribution. dab (ᛏ) 18:33, 13 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

I corrected numerous errors and hunted down all the links to make sure they work. I added the rest of the paragraph from Klassen's book which seems to have been taken out of context, as well as corrected the numerous references to Pitcavage. It was actually Mattias Gardell who wrote Gods of the Blood - Pitcavage only reviewed it. All the quotes attributed to Pitcavage are actually Gardell's. Look HERE. I also removed a link to an announcement of Rud Mills book being released to members of the Odinic Rite because it was already linked earlier in the entry, and isn't really relevant unless there is actually an online copy. I also attempted to put more sources in, but don't know how to footnote them in the wiki markup. I took out some of the wiki-links that appeared numerous times to adhere more to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, but may have missed a few.HroptR 22:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

good job, thanks! You can use {{ref|some_label}} in the text and ==Notes== #{{note|some_label}} at the end of the article for endnotes. dab (ᛏ) 22:21, 5 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Else Christensen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 01:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

No idea why this had to wait so long in the queue. I will take this up. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 01:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Lead

• Here and throughout the article call her either "Christensen" or "Else" consistently

• I've made sure that it is consistent throughout. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• Else published a newsletter called The Odinist for many years When did she begin the publication?

• In 1971. I've added that into he lede. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Early life

• Is the date of her birth not clear? Should be mentioned explicitly.

• Unfortunately the date is not given in any of the reliable sources on the subject. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• Perhaps mention this confusion in the article? Better leave no question marks. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• @Sainsf: I'm open to the idea of mentioning this, although not sure how to do so in a manner that meets Wikipedia guidelines. Would we not need a reliable source that says "Her date of birth was not specified in the reliable sources"? Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• Indeed, this is a weird case. But the void can be felt, so perhaps add a note saying something like "the sources consulted in this article do not specify the date of birth"? If any editor finds the DOB with a source later on, they can remove the note and add this. Not sure about biography guidelines here, though, but this solution does not look problematic to me. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 11:14, 25 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• @Sainsf: I've added this information as a note. This seems to fix the problem. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• She deemed Odinism to be a religion that had an organic relationship with What exactly is an "organic relationship"?

• I've changed "organic" to "natural and intrinsic", if that works?

• Alright, this looks clearer. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

The Odinist fellowship

• Jeffrey Kaplan Kaplan Is "Kaplan" repeated?

• Well spotted and removed. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• Although her Odinic activities slowed down considerably, This sentence looks incomplete or should it be "here" and not "Here"?

  I've rewritten this sentence. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• What was the cause of her death?

• Again, this isn't specified in the reliable sources. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ideology

• "Capitalists" is a duplink

• I've removed the duplink. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Legacy and influence

• The historian of esotericism Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke "The" can be removed

• If it's all the same, I'd like to keep the "The"; I didn't used to keep the "the" in sentences such as this, but in peer reviews I had other editors encourage me to put them in, so I try to remember to do so now. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• Wikilink neo-paganism

• Done! Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

• "Mother Folk. " --> "Mother Folk".

• Done! Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

That should be it. Cheers, Sainsf (talk · contribs) 01:42, 19 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

One more to go. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for fixing the issues. I am happy to promote this. Great job! Sainsf (talk · contribs) 19:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

From the lead: Christensen recognized the excessive Jewish control of the Western socio-political establishment, and believed that this would prevent the growth of any explicitly political movement to spread racial consciousness among those she deemed to be Aryan. So it is fact is it that there is 'excessive Jewish control of the Western socio-political establishment' ?

I suggest a rewording of the opening sentence is apt, since I imagine this lady's opinion was that there was 'excessive Jewish control'.Pincrete (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

That was an instance of vandalism which unfortunately went unnoticed for about two weeks. Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:07, 10 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

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