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@Pbritti, as of the most recent Pontifical Yearbook (2023) published by Rome, the Syro-Malabar Church is the most numerous.

The 15 Churches with unified synods by size (as of 2023)

1. Syro-Malabar: 4,537,342
2. Ukrainian: 4,295,581
3. Maronite: 3,543,796
4. Melkite: 1,545,990
5. Armenian: 753,945
6. Chaldean: 646,581
7. Syro-Malankara: 487,247
8. Romanian: 473,710
9. Ruthenian: 365,883 [Not unified]
   1. ...(Eparchy of Mukachevo: 314,560;
   2. ....Metropolis of Pittsburgh: 34,323 (Unified);
   3. ....Exarchate of Praga: 17,000)
10. Hungarian: 296,830
11. Coptic: 253,100
12. Slovakian: 210,061
13. Eritrean: 173,251
14. Syrian: 120,679
15. Ethiopian: 80,568
16. Italo-Albanian: 55,909 (only other non-unified Church over 50k)
    1. ...(Eparchy of Lungro: 32,500;
    2. ....Eparchy of Piana degli Albanesi: 23,400;
    3. ....Monastery of Grottaferrata: 9 Logosx127 (talk) 01:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Logosx127: Considering that you did not cite page numbers, linked to a Google Books entry that does not include a digital copy, and multiple reliable sources published earlier this year corroborate that the UGCC remains the largest, I have a hard time seeing how you verified this information. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Pbritti I couldn't find an online reference either. You can refer the book instead. Logosx127 (talk) 01:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

The multiple reliable sources published this year are actually not reliable and are most probably examples of citogenesis. Logosx127 (talk) 02:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

You mean to say that the Vatican's official news agency and CNA are unreliable? Because that's not correct. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

They make use of Wikipedia as well. Hence yes, probably citogenesis. Logosx127 (talk) 02:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

You have no evidence for this claim of citogenesis, nor am I quite certain about those totals from the AP, given the lack of a verifiable page number. Furthermore, the Syro-Malabar Church's own website confirms that It is the largest Eastern Catholic Church after the Ukrainian Church on the front page. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Pbritti Every year, after the publication of the Annuario Pontificio by Rome, an Eastern Catholic Yearbook is published (in Italian) using the data for the Eastern Churches, which is edited by bishop Vartan Waldir Boghossian of the Armenian Catholic Church. The Annuario Orientale Cattolico 2019 states in its page 4, that the Syro-Malabar Church became that year the largest Church. Here is the link to a pdf copy: https://issuu.com/exarmal/docs/annuarioorientale2019_i_a_issuu_2. It has remain so until today. The numbers presented above come from the pages specific to each Church in the current Yearbook 2023. Here is the link to a pdf copy: https://issuu.com/exarmal/docs/annuarioorientale_-_2023_pdf. Does this solve the sources claims? The numbers come directly from the Annuario Pontificio, aggregated in the Annuario Orientale. Narratives take time to update, and people think the Ukrainian Church is still the largest, but it is not so. The Syro-Malabar Church is currently the largest Eastern Catholic Church.--Coquidragon (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Coquidragon: I'm struggling to get the ISSUU link to open on my device (I'll double check later on a better computer some other time) but I'll take it on good faith. Thanks for finding a good source on this; feel welcome to revert me. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, @Coquidragon. Actually, I had already added the source. It is sad that Pbritti did not look into it prior to reverting my edits. It is intriguing to see that Wikipedia articles were not updated and certainly that is the main reason why the narrative is still outdated. Wikipedia editors need to be more tolerant and less resistant to edits by fellow users here, otherwise this will continue to happen and result in spread of misinformation. Logosx127 (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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